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Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden
    #14020028 - 02/24/11 01:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Little Julie just can't win for losing.  First he loses his staff.  Then key software.  Now the absurd legal battle against extradition.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703408604576163942110406796.html

Judge not buying any of his bullshit.  If he didn't do anything wrong, that will be found.  Even if he did he might escape but at least now the little lunatic Fauntleroy will have to answer to the charges.  Apparently the "America might steal me" defense doesn't fly all that well in the UK.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14020230 - 02/24/11 02:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Seems he won a couple of big ones in the beginning. :lol:

I have no particular stance on this matter except to say the things he leaked were most interesting to me personally and educational.  It's nice to be able to see how we operate behind the scenes.  It was all as I expected.

It seems odd that he was charged with the sex thing right after the leaks but it's certainly possible he's not being set up.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Icelander]
    #14024547 - 02/25/11 09:28 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i imagine it would be much harder to get extradited to the US from Sweden than from the UK, but that's just an guess.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Taco Chef]
    #14024595 - 02/25/11 09:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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i imagine it would be much harder to get extradited to the US from Sweden than from the UK, but that's just an guess.



Indeed.  Which makes one wonder just what really makes him so afraid of Sweden.  Maybe because he knows he is fucked on the charges.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14045381 - 02/28/11 09:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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novumorganum said:
i imagine it would be much harder to get extradited to the US from Sweden than from the UK, but that's just an guess.



Indeed.  Which makes one wonder just what really makes him so afraid of Sweden.  Maybe because he knows he is fucked on the charges.




Of sex without a condom?

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14047674 - 03/01/11 10:02 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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novumorganum said:
i imagine it would be much harder to get extradited to the US from Sweden than from the UK, but that's just an guess.



Indeed.  Which makes one wonder just what really makes him so afraid of Sweden.  Maybe because he knows he is fucked on the charges.




Of sex without a condom?




Of course. I think anyone who has sex without a condom, or indeed lied to a woman about anything should instantly be arrested, detained, tried and led through the entire legal process (but without any actual charges being brought). It's just a sensible, proportionate response.

Oh, but only if you've annoyed a few large governments first.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Ygor] * 1
    #14047766 - 03/01/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i have no problem with wiki leaks, and even if assinage is found guilty of these charges, that has little to do with the content and mission of wiki leaks.


i just think it would be easier to extradited to the US from the UK rather than Sweden.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Taco Chef]
    #14048600 - 03/01/11 01:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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i have no problem with wiki leaks, and even if assinage is found guilty of these charges, that has little to do with the content and mission of wiki leaks.


i just think it would be easier to extradited to the US from the UK rather than Sweden.



This is so true that his argument was judicially mocked.

If a woman consents to sex under certain terms then failing to abide by those terms is assault, plain and simple, whether by deception or by force.  He will get his day.  He's already pretty much irrelevant except as a figurehead, anyway.  His fellow traveller nitwits have pretty much had enough of his egomaniacal bullshit.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14048636 - 03/01/11 01:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Didn't the condom break during sex, and that's what she's all pissed about?  I mean, yeah, that sucks, but it sounds like an accident.

At least that's what I heard on the news a while back.  Maybe that's not how it happened.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: BothHands]
    #14048649 - 03/01/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Didn't the condom break during sex, and that's what she's all pissed about?  I mean, yeah, that sucks, but it sounds like an accident.


At least that's what I heard on the news a while back.  Maybe that's not how it happened.




She says that isn't what happened.  He'll get his day in court.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14048682 - 03/01/11 01:59 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Oh.. hmm.

It is a but suspicious that this all happened right after the leaks.  Makes me wonder if she's being paid by someone to make the accusations.

But on the other hand, when people get high on power, they start thinking they can get away with anything.  So I guess it's also just as possible that he really did this.

I just really hope an innocent man doesn't go to jail, and that a guilty man doesn't go free.

I very much doubt justice will be served though.  If he's being set up by a government or a billion dollar corporation, he's probably going to jail.  I mean our government not only approved, but paid HBGary to falsify documents to discredit wikileaks.  So I very much doubt they'd have any issue rigging a jury.  And if he did it, well, he can afford the best lawyers in the world to get him free.  Just sounds like a shitty situation either way.

Edit: Sorry, the government referred Bank of America to HBGary.  Still, neither of them are being charged, which indicates that the government approves of the behavior.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: BothHands]
    #14048771 - 03/01/11 02:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh.. hmm.

It is a but suspicious that this all happened right after the leaks.  Makes me wonder if she's being paid by someone to make the accusations.




You can have the all the suspicions you want but these women were his acolytes. 
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But on the other hand, when people get high on power, they start thinking they can get away with anything.  So I guess it's also just as possible that he really did this.




You also have to take into account that he is widely known to be a douche.  There are honorable people who can handle power and there are mentally unstable people who cannot.  Just consider his background.  If you aren't already aware I can say it can charitably be called unusual.
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I just really hope an innocent man doesn't go to jail, and that a guilty man doesn't go free.




Which is what we all hope.  Then we can get to the business of fucking him in the ass because of the leaks............


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14048795 - 03/01/11 02:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Which is what we all hope.  Then we can get to the business of fucking him in the ass because of the leaks............




I can't tell. Is that sarcasm or do you regret that he published the leaks?


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Ygor]
    #14048896 - 03/01/11 02:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I find that to have been abhorrent, disruptive and harmful.  As far as I'm aware not one shred of wrongdoing has been exposed.  Who elected that mentally defective cunt to be the arbiter of what is and is not secret?  Not me.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14048959 - 03/01/11 02:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I find that to have been abhorrent, disruptive and harmful.  As far as I'm aware not one shred of wrongdoing has been exposed.  Who elected that mentally defective cunt to be the arbiter of what is and is not secret?  Not me.




Preach it, brother.  :rockon:

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14049443 - 03/01/11 04:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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novumorganum said:
i imagine it would be much harder to get extradited to the US from Sweden than from the UK, but that's just an guess.



Indeed.  Which makes one wonder just what really makes him so afraid of Sweden.  Maybe because he knows he is fucked on the charges.



Either that, or he read the Stockholm diplomatic cables and is aware of the "informal arrangements" between Sweden and the US.  Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

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I find that to have been abhorrent, disruptive and harmful.  As far as I'm aware not one shred of wrongdoing has been exposed.  Who elected that mentally defective cunt to be the arbiter of what is and is not secret?  Not me.



He exposed Hillary Clinton as a vindictive, authoritarian bitch, so that's got to count for something, right?


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: PurpleMushroomZeta]
    #14049758 - 03/01/11 05:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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novumorganum said:
i imagine it would be much harder to get extradited to the US from Sweden than from the UK, but that's just an guess.



Indeed.  Which makes one wonder just what really makes him so afraid of Sweden.  Maybe because he knows he is fucked on the charges.



Either that, or he read the Stockholm diplomatic cables and is aware of the "informal arrangements" between Sweden and the US.  Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.


  Or not. 
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I find that to have been abhorrent, disruptive and harmful.  As far as I'm aware not one shred of wrongdoing has been exposed.  Who elected that mentally defective cunt to be the arbiter of what is and is not secret?  Not me.



He exposed Hillary Clinton as a vindictive, authoritarian bitch, so that's got to count for something, right?



No.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14049793 - 03/01/11 05:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I find that to have been abhorrent, disruptive and harmful.  As far as I'm aware not one shred of wrongdoing has been exposed.  Who elected that mentally defective cunt to be the arbiter of what is and is not secret?  Not me.




Secrets? There are no secrets. This is the 21st century, dammit.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14049829 - 03/01/11 05:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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zappaisgod said:
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novumorganum said:
i imagine it would be much harder to get extradited to the US from Sweden than from the UK, but that's just an guess.



Indeed.  Which makes one wonder just what really makes him so afraid of Sweden.  Maybe because he knows he is fucked on the charges.



Either that, or he read the Stockholm diplomatic cables and is aware of the "informal arrangements" between Sweden and the US.  Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.


  Or not. 
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zappaisgod said:
I find that to have been abhorrent, disruptive and harmful.  As far as I'm aware not one shred of wrongdoing has been exposed.  Who elected that mentally defective cunt to be the arbiter of what is and is not secret?  Not me.



He exposed Hillary Clinton as a vindictive, authoritarian bitch, so that's got to count for something, right?



No.



Sorry, didn't realize you were such a big Clinton fan.  My bad.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: PurpleMushroomZeta]
    #14049837 - 03/01/11 05:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not.  It was never a secret.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: PurpleMushroomZeta]
    #14049944 - 03/01/11 05:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Seuss]
    #14049967 - 03/01/11 05:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That had me confused too... I briefly looked up what the US has to do with this, and couldn't find anything.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #14049973 - 03/01/11 05:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I find that to have been abhorrent, disruptive and harmful.  As far as I'm aware not one shred of wrongdoing has been exposed.  Who elected that mentally defective cunt to be the arbiter of what is and is not secret?  Not me.




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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14049991 - 03/01/11 05:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It was a bunch of paranoid bullshit the pervert fuck had his lawyers present


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Seuss]
    #14050120 - 03/01/11 06:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.



Not charged yet, but we can hold people indefinitely without charging them now.  The man's a terrorist for God's sake.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: PurpleMushroomZeta] * 1
    #14050130 - 03/01/11 06:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.



Not charged yet, but we can hold people indefinitely without charging them now.  The man's a terrorist for God's sake.




Yep. Just do the American thing, and toss him in the Philly brig without charges, and forget he exists.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: TGRR]
    #14050162 - 03/01/11 06:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, i don't think manning will ever see the light of day or a courtroom


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Taco Chef]
    #14050179 - 03/01/11 06:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Oh that's pretty dumb.  Manning is most definitely getting a courtroom.  Then a cell.  For a long, long time.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14050248 - 03/01/11 06:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I find that to have been abhorrent, disruptive and harmful.  As far as I'm aware not one shred of wrongdoing has been exposed.  Who elected that mentally defective cunt to be the arbiter of what is and is not secret?  Not me.




Kidnapping an innocent German civilian?(illegal)

Spying on UN officials(very very illegal)

US soldiers killing Iraqi journalists.

The US turning a blind eye to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by the government we instated.

Or how about the fact that 2/3s of all deaths in Iraq have been innocent civilians.

Thats just the things hes exposed about the US. Dont get me started on Kenya.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14050311 - 03/01/11 06:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh that's pretty dumb.  Manning is most definitely getting a courtroom.  Then a cell.  For a long, long time.





nah Zap i honestly think they're going to use various elements of the patriot act to prevent the trial cause even in a show trial or military trial the defense gets discovery, and no administration, D or R is going to let that happen.

and i'm not saying that as a person who thinks he was charged falsely, at the very least he broke the USMC


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14050330 - 03/01/11 06:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Journalists who hang with enemy combatants can expect zero immunity. 

Now what group do you suppose is responsible for killing most of those civilians?  Hint, it isn't US.

Fuck the UN, everybody spies on them.  You'd be an irresponsible jackass not to.

I have no idea what you are referring to about the German guy.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14050382 - 03/01/11 06:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Journalists who hang with enemy combatants can expect zero immunity. 

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No they werent.



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Fuck the UN, everybody spies on them.  You'd be an irresponsible jackass not to.





Hurr breaking the law is ok when merrka does it.

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I have no idea what you are referring to about the German guy.




http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/01/wikileaks-and-the-el.html

I forgot to mention he was also tortured for months.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14050625 - 03/01/11 07:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
I find that to have been abhorrent, disruptive and harmful.  As far as I'm aware not one shred of wrongdoing has been exposed.  Who elected that mentally defective cunt to be the arbiter of what is and is not secret?  Not me.




Kidnapping an innocent German civilian?(illegal)

Spying on UN officials(very very illegal)

US soldiers killing Iraqi journalists.

The US turning a blind eye to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by the government we instated.

Or how about the fact that 2/3s of all deaths in Iraq have been innocent civilians.

Thats just the things hes exposed about the US. Dont get me started on Kenya.



Zappaisgod said wrongdoing.  There's nothing wrong with keeping America safe from terrorists.  Freedom is on the march.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14053514 - 03/02/11 09:28 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Journalists who hang with enemy combatants can expect zero immunity. 

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No they werent.






Yes they were.  The whole video is available and has been repeatedly dissected.  Not the wikileaks lying edited version.  Facts suck for you.
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Fuck the UN, everybody spies on them.  You'd be an irresponsible jackass not to.





Hurr breaking the law is ok when merrka does it.




Did you see the part where I pointed out that everybody does it?

Oh, and fuck the UN. 
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I have no idea what you are referring to about the German guy.




http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/01/wikileaks-and-the-el.html

I forgot to mention he was also tortured for months.




So he says.  They arrested him, figured out he was not the guy and let him go.  Happens all the time.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14053758 - 03/02/11 10:16 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes they were.  The whole video is available and has been repeatedly dissected.  Not the wikileaks lying edited version.  Facts suck for you.




Cool sources bro.

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So he says.  They arrested him, figured out he was not the guy and let him go.  Happens all the time.




Would you be saying the same thing if the Russian government just picked you out of the streets and tortured you for months without any trial or the permission of your government?

The US does not have the right to kidnap(not arrest) foreign citizens, especially those of our allies.

People being picked out of the streets by foreign powers and sent to secret prison for torture does not "happen all the time"

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Did you see the part where I pointed out that everybody does it?




Once again, breaking the law is breaking the law.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14053782 - 03/02/11 10:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The US does not have the right to kidnap(not arrest) foreign citizens, especially those of our allies.




Who then, do you claim, dispenses such rights?

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14053800 - 03/02/11 10:26 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The US does not have the right to kidnap(not arrest) foreign citizens, especially those of our allies.




Who then, do you claim, dispenses such rights?




Could you rephrase that please?

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14053854 - 03/02/11 10:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Who is the arbiter of what rights are and are not had?  Who, do you claim, dispenses them?

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14055698 - 03/02/11 04:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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The US does not have the right to kidnap(not arrest) foreign citizens, especially those of our allies.




Who then, do you claim, dispenses such rights?




The same people that dispense the right to tweakers to kill you for your wallet and cell phone.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14057669 - 03/02/11 11:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Who is the arbiter of what rights are and are not had?  Who, do you claim, dispenses them?





Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14058364 - 03/03/11 03:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?

Basic human decency and the greedy that would dominate others seldom have much in common.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Seuss]
    #14065643 - 03/04/11 10:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?

Basic human decency and the greedy that would dominate others seldom have much in common.



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Seuss said:
> Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?

Basic human decency and the greedy that would dominate others seldom have much in common.



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Seuss said:
> Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?

Basic human decency and the greedy that would dominate others seldom have much in common.




So whats the point youre trying to make?

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14065667 - 03/04/11 10:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Atomsk said:
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DieCommie said:
Who is the arbiter of what rights are and are not had?  Who, do you claim, dispenses them?





Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?




Well, there are about 6 billion different sets of 'basic human decency' that exist.  Which one, do you claim, is the fundamental one that all people must abide by?  And more importantly, what gives you the right to project your sense of basic human decency on to the rest of humanity?

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14065842 - 03/04/11 11:32 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

And then the issue of over reaction.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/02/wiki...tml?hpt=T2
The U.S. Army Wednesday notified Pfc. Bradley Manning, a prime suspect in the WikiLeaks case, that he now faces 22 more charges in connection with allegedly downloading secret information from computers in Iraq.

The most serious new charge alleges that he aided the enemy by making this information public. That charge is punishable by death. A news release from the Army said the prosecution team "has notified the defense that the prosecution will not recommend the death penalty," but technically it is up to the commander overseeing the case to make the final decision about the death penalty.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14065907 - 03/04/11 11:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh that's pretty dumb.  Manning is most definitely getting a courtroom.  Then a cell.  For a long, long time.





So if he doesn't get a fair and open trial, you'll riot with the rest of us, right?


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14065937 - 03/04/11 11:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Im sure as hell not rioting over lack of freedoms or due process in Europe.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Seuss]
    #14065954 - 03/04/11 11:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.





Not from lack of creative thinking.

Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

Justice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.
{snip}
Since WikiLeaks began making public large caches of classified United States government documents this year, Justice Department officials have been struggling to come up with a way to charge Mr. Assange with a crime. Among other things, they have studied several statutes that criminalize the dissemination of restricted information under certain circumstances, including the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

But while prosecutors have used such laws to go after leakers and hackers, they have never successfully prosecuted recipients of leaked information for passing it on to others — an activity that can fall under the First Amendment’s strong protections of speech and press freedoms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/wikileaks-conspiracy-charges_n_797454.html

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14065960 - 03/04/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Im sure as hell not rioting over lack of freedoms or due process in Europe.





Manning isn't in Europe.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14065991 - 03/04/11 12:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
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zappaisgod said:
Oh that's pretty dumb.  Manning is most definitely getting a courtroom.  Then a cell.  For a long, long time.





So if he doesn't get a fair and open trial, you'll riot with the rest of us, right?



:rofl2:You aren't going to riot.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: TheThinker]
    #14065995 - 03/04/11 12:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, I misread and thought he was talking about Assange.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14066006 - 03/04/11 12:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Im sure as hell not rioting over lack of freedoms or due process in Europe.




I agree completely.  Why would ANYONE risk their LIVES for a EUROPEAN pansy like Manning?!

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: TheThinker]
    #14066011 - 03/04/11 12:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.





Not from lack of creative thinking.

Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

Justice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.
{snip}
Since WikiLeaks began making public large caches of classified United States government documents this year, Justice Department officials have been struggling to come up with a way to charge Mr. Assange with a crime. Among other things, they have studied several statutes that criminalize the dissemination of restricted information under certain circumstances, including the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

But while prosecutors have used such laws to go after leakers and hackers, they have never successfully prosecuted recipients of leaked information for passing it on to others — an activity that can fall under the First Amendment’s strong protections of speech and press freedoms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/wikileaks-conspiracy-charges_n_797454.html



That's why they call them "investigations".  If Assange and any other wikidouches were involved prior to the download then they are vulnerable to prosecution.  If they weren't, they aren't.  Try to keep up.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14066026 - 03/04/11 12:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Seuss said:
> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.





Not from lack of creative thinking.

Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

Justice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.
{snip}
Since WikiLeaks began making public large caches of classified United States government documents this year, Justice Department officials have been struggling to come up with a way to charge Mr. Assange with a crime. Among other things, they have studied several statutes that criminalize the dissemination of restricted information under certain circumstances, including the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

But while prosecutors have used such laws to go after leakers and hackers, they have never successfully prosecuted recipients of leaked information for passing it on to others — an activity that can fall under the First Amendment’s strong protections of speech and press freedoms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/wikileaks-conspiracy-charges_n_797454.html



That's why they call them "investigations".  If Assange and any other wikidouches were involved prior to the download then they are vulnerable to prosecution.  If they weren't, they aren't.  Try to keep up.




Your using insults to cover up your inability to debate a point is tiresome. It's a witch hunt.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14066029 - 03/04/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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TheThinker said:
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Seuss said:
> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.





Not from lack of creative thinking.

Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

Justice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.
{snip}
Since WikiLeaks began making public large caches of classified United States government documents this year, Justice Department officials have been struggling to come up with a way to charge Mr. Assange with a crime. Among other things, they have studied several statutes that criminalize the dissemination of restricted information under certain circumstances, including the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

But while prosecutors have used such laws to go after leakers and hackers, they have never successfully prosecuted recipients of leaked information for passing it on to others — an activity that can fall under the First Amendment’s strong protections of speech and press freedoms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/wikileaks-conspiracy-charges_n_797454.html



That's why they call them "investigations".  If Assange and any other wikidouches were involved prior to the download then they are vulnerable to prosecution.  If they weren't, they aren't.  Try to keep up.





EXACTLY!

Sometimes I wonder if you and I are the only two EDUCATED people on this board, Zappa.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: TheThinker]
    #14066036 - 03/04/11 12:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

No it isn't.  You're assertion is absurd. 

My opinion that the people at wikileaks are douches is unrelated to the legal status of their actions.  Not all douchebags are criminals.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14068064 - 03/04/11 08:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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Atomsk said:
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DieCommie said:
Who is the arbiter of what rights are and are not had?  Who, do you claim, dispenses them?





Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?




Well, there are about 6 billion different sets of 'basic human decency' that exist.  Which one, do you claim, is the fundamental one that all people must abide by?  And more importantly, what gives you the right to project your sense of basic human decency on to the rest of humanity?




So what your saying is it was OK for us to kidnap a citizen of one of our allies and imprison him without trial and torture him?

Disregard my human decency comment, Im pretty sure this violates several international laws as well as local laws(both ours and theirs)

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14463008 - 05/16/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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If a woman consents to sex under certain terms then failing to abide by those terms is assault, plain and simple




Whoa, whoa, whoa,  forget about wikileaks for a second.

Do you really think this is true? Because :zaphod:

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: domite]
    #14463233 - 05/16/11 05:06 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:


If a woman consents to sex under certain terms then failing to abide by those terms is assault, plain and simple




Whoa, whoa, whoa,  forget about wikileaks for a second.

Do you really think this is true? Because :zaphod:



Yeah I do.  Consenting to one thing does not mean you consented to the other.


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