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OfflineSeussA
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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14058364 - 03/03/11 03:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

> Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?

Basic human decency and the greedy that would dominate others seldom have much in common.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Seuss]
    #14065643 - 03/04/11 10:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?

Basic human decency and the greedy that would dominate others seldom have much in common.



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Seuss said:
> Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?

Basic human decency and the greedy that would dominate others seldom have much in common.



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Seuss said:
> Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?

Basic human decency and the greedy that would dominate others seldom have much in common.




So whats the point youre trying to make?

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Atomsk]
    #14065667 - 03/04/11 10:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Atomsk said:
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DieCommie said:
Who is the arbiter of what rights are and are not had?  Who, do you claim, dispenses them?





Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?




Well, there are about 6 billion different sets of 'basic human decency' that exist.  Which one, do you claim, is the fundamental one that all people must abide by?  And more importantly, what gives you the right to project your sense of basic human decency on to the rest of humanity?

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14065842 - 03/04/11 11:32 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

And then the issue of over reaction.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/02/wiki...tml?hpt=T2
The U.S. Army Wednesday notified Pfc. Bradley Manning, a prime suspect in the WikiLeaks case, that he now faces 22 more charges in connection with allegedly downloading secret information from computers in Iraq.

The most serious new charge alleges that he aided the enemy by making this information public. That charge is punishable by death. A news release from the Army said the prosecution team "has notified the defense that the prosecution will not recommend the death penalty," but technically it is up to the commander overseeing the case to make the final decision about the death penalty.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14065907 - 03/04/11 11:46 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh that's pretty dumb.  Manning is most definitely getting a courtroom.  Then a cell.  For a long, long time.





So if he doesn't get a fair and open trial, you'll riot with the rest of us, right?


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14065937 - 03/04/11 11:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Im sure as hell not rioting over lack of freedoms or due process in Europe.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Seuss]
    #14065954 - 03/04/11 11:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.





Not from lack of creative thinking.

Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

Justice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.
{snip}
Since WikiLeaks began making public large caches of classified United States government documents this year, Justice Department officials have been struggling to come up with a way to charge Mr. Assange with a crime. Among other things, they have studied several statutes that criminalize the dissemination of restricted information under certain circumstances, including the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

But while prosecutors have used such laws to go after leakers and hackers, they have never successfully prosecuted recipients of leaked information for passing it on to others — an activity that can fall under the First Amendment’s strong protections of speech and press freedoms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/wikileaks-conspiracy-charges_n_797454.html

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14065960 - 03/04/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Im sure as hell not rioting over lack of freedoms or due process in Europe.





Manning isn't in Europe.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14065991 - 03/04/11 12:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
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zappaisgod said:
Oh that's pretty dumb.  Manning is most definitely getting a courtroom.  Then a cell.  For a long, long time.





So if he doesn't get a fair and open trial, you'll riot with the rest of us, right?



:rofl2:You aren't going to riot.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: TheThinker]
    #14065995 - 03/04/11 12:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, I misread and thought he was talking about Assange.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14066006 - 03/04/11 12:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Im sure as hell not rioting over lack of freedoms or due process in Europe.




I agree completely.  Why would ANYONE risk their LIVES for a EUROPEAN pansy like Manning?!

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: TheThinker]
    #14066011 - 03/04/11 12:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TheThinker said:
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Seuss said:
> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.





Not from lack of creative thinking.

Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

Justice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.
{snip}
Since WikiLeaks began making public large caches of classified United States government documents this year, Justice Department officials have been struggling to come up with a way to charge Mr. Assange with a crime. Among other things, they have studied several statutes that criminalize the dissemination of restricted information under certain circumstances, including the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

But while prosecutors have used such laws to go after leakers and hackers, they have never successfully prosecuted recipients of leaked information for passing it on to others — an activity that can fall under the First Amendment’s strong protections of speech and press freedoms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/wikileaks-conspiracy-charges_n_797454.html



That's why they call them "investigations".  If Assange and any other wikidouches were involved prior to the download then they are vulnerable to prosecution.  If they weren't, they aren't.  Try to keep up.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14066026 - 03/04/11 12:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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TheThinker said:
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Seuss said:
> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.





Not from lack of creative thinking.

Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

Justice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.
{snip}
Since WikiLeaks began making public large caches of classified United States government documents this year, Justice Department officials have been struggling to come up with a way to charge Mr. Assange with a crime. Among other things, they have studied several statutes that criminalize the dissemination of restricted information under certain circumstances, including the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

But while prosecutors have used such laws to go after leakers and hackers, they have never successfully prosecuted recipients of leaked information for passing it on to others — an activity that can fall under the First Amendment’s strong protections of speech and press freedoms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/wikileaks-conspiracy-charges_n_797454.html



That's why they call them "investigations".  If Assange and any other wikidouches were involved prior to the download then they are vulnerable to prosecution.  If they weren't, they aren't.  Try to keep up.




Your using insults to cover up your inability to debate a point is tiresome. It's a witch hunt.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14066029 - 03/04/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

TheThinker said:
Quote:

Seuss said:
> Sweden is even more likely to turn him over to the US that the UK is.

For what?  The US hasn't charged him with any crime.





Not from lack of creative thinking.

Federal prosecutors, seeking to build a case against the WikiLeaks leader Julian Assange for his role in a huge dissemination of classified government documents, are looking for evidence of any collusion in his early contacts with an Army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the information.

Justice Department officials are trying to find out whether Mr. Assange encouraged or even helped the analyst, Pfc. Bradley Manning, to extract classified military and State Department files from a government computer system. If he did so, they believe they could charge him as a conspirator in the leak, not just as a passive recipient of the documents who then published them.
{snip}
Since WikiLeaks began making public large caches of classified United States government documents this year, Justice Department officials have been struggling to come up with a way to charge Mr. Assange with a crime. Among other things, they have studied several statutes that criminalize the dissemination of restricted information under certain circumstances, including the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

But while prosecutors have used such laws to go after leakers and hackers, they have never successfully prosecuted recipients of leaked information for passing it on to others — an activity that can fall under the First Amendment’s strong protections of speech and press freedoms.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/15/wikileaks-conspiracy-charges_n_797454.html



That's why they call them "investigations".  If Assange and any other wikidouches were involved prior to the download then they are vulnerable to prosecution.  If they weren't, they aren't.  Try to keep up.





EXACTLY!

Sometimes I wonder if you and I are the only two EDUCATED people on this board, Zappa.

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: TheThinker]
    #14066036 - 03/04/11 12:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

No it isn't.  You're assertion is absurd. 

My opinion that the people at wikileaks are douches is unrelated to the legal status of their actions.  Not all douchebags are criminals.


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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: DieCommie]
    #14068064 - 03/04/11 08:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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Atomsk said:
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DieCommie said:
Who is the arbiter of what rights are and are not had?  Who, do you claim, dispenses them?





Ummm... a basic sense of human decency?




Well, there are about 6 billion different sets of 'basic human decency' that exist.  Which one, do you claim, is the fundamental one that all people must abide by?  And more importantly, what gives you the right to project your sense of basic human decency on to the rest of humanity?




So what your saying is it was OK for us to kidnap a citizen of one of our allies and imprison him without trial and torture him?

Disregard my human decency comment, Im pretty sure this violates several international laws as well as local laws(both ours and theirs)

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14463008 - 05/16/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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zappaisgod said:


If a woman consents to sex under certain terms then failing to abide by those terms is assault, plain and simple




Whoa, whoa, whoa,  forget about wikileaks for a second.

Do you really think this is true? Because :zaphod:

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Re: Extradited to that third world hellhole of injustice, Sweden [Re: domite]
    #14463233 - 05/16/11 05:06 PM (13 years, 6 days ago)

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domite said:
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zappaisgod said:


If a woman consents to sex under certain terms then failing to abide by those terms is assault, plain and simple




Whoa, whoa, whoa,  forget about wikileaks for a second.

Do you really think this is true? Because :zaphod:



Yeah I do.  Consenting to one thing does not mean you consented to the other.


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