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Some fuel for the UFO fires 3
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: Niffla] 1
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Good stuff. Not to mention the couple of astronauts that have spoke out about it including buzz aldrin and the countless high ranking senior military officials in the disclosure project.
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: Niffla]
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: Rebirtha]
#14019293 - 02/24/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ret. Col. Says UFOs Are Real, but Denies Government Cover-Up
Whether you believe or disbelieve the notion that UFOs are visitors from another planet, a former highly decorated military officer now comes forward with information that may infuriate those on both sides in the ongoing ET debate.
Retired Col. John Alexander, using his military savvy and high security clearance, spent a quarter of a century going through the top levels of the U.S. government and military searching for the group of people who were allegedly responsible for UFO information and the supposedly decades-old UFO cover-up.
His conclusions: Not only is there no such group and no cover-up, but disclosure about UFOs has already occurred on different official levels.
Retired Army Col. John Alexander says UFO disclosure has already occurred, and the ultimate solution to UFOs is more complex than most people think.
With so many people crying out these days for the U.S. government or the United Nations or even the Vatican to issue some sort of "we are not alone in the universe" disclosure statement, Alexander says the information has been dripping out all around us, over decades, with top officials casually making statements about UFOs.
He references this 1950 remark made by President Harry Truman: "I can assure you the flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on Earth."
"Disclosure has happened," Alexander added. "It starts with former presidents Truman, Carter, Reagan and [the Soviet Union's] Gorbachev. I've got stacks of generals, including Soviet generals, who've come out and said UFOs are real. My point is, how many times do senior officials need to come forward and say this is real?" Alexander told AOL News.
"At one time, before a lot of this information was released, I could see both the classified and the unclassified material. And I will tell you that 98 percent of the information was already in the public domain. The only things that weren't there was stuff like sources and method, which is protected, but the information about the incident was already out there."
Several months ago, a group of ex-military officers came forward to discuss their experiences when UFOs reportedly tampered with American nuclear missile sites. While Alexander acknowledges the events, he suggests why there was no intense intelligence investigation of these incidents.
"They absolutely happened, but when it's a one-time event, the attitude of investigators is: If it happens again, we'll get nervous, but since it didn't happen, put it aside.
"It's sort of an indictment that says, despite overwhelming evidence of interaction with strategic systems, nothing was done. And in my view, it is put, like a number of things, in the too-tough-to-handle bin."
The 74-year-old former Green Beret A-Team commander and developer of weapons at Los Alamos, N.M., is one of many speakers presenting his views at this week's International UFO Congress in Scottsdale, Ariz. He takes issue with both true believers (who assume any strange light in the sky is from another planet) and hard-nosed skeptics (who debunk any and all UFO reports and evidence to the contrary).
Nearly 30 speakers are attending this week's International UFO Congress in Scottsdale, Ariz. In his new book, "UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies and Realities" (Thomas Dunne Books), Alexander jumps right to the chase, saying, "UFOs are real! With no prevarication or qualification of terms, there are physical objects of unknown origin that do transit our universe. The evidence that supports those statements is simply overwhelming."
The evidence he speaks of includes the hard data of sensor technology that has frequently confirmed the reality of physical craft and the high quality of extremely reliable eyewitnesses who are "neither misreporting facts nor delusional."
After spending decades deeply embroiled behind the scenes, Alexander's assertion of the reality of UFOs still leaves the bigger question: What's the origin and purpose of these unexplained machines? (If, in fact, they are machines in the sense that we use that term.)
"The problem is, when you discuss UFOs, we are talking everything from little balls of light to hard craft a mile or more across, and everything in between. So what is it?" Alexander asked.
"I argue that, not only are we not solving the problems yet, we're not even asking the right questions, because we approach this wrong.
"I suspect that consciousness is a piece of the puzzle. We talk about UFOs, saying it's a technology that's 1,000 years in advance, but it really isn't. If you follow the history of these things, usually it is somewhat in advance, but not beyond our comprehension by any stretch of the imagination.
"The conundrum you get into is, yes, they are seen by sensors; however, at other times, they are not seen by sensors that should've seen them, and that's one I can't answer."
Alexander is a frequent guest on "Coast to Coast AM With George Noory," the popular overnight radio program. George Knapp, a multiple Emmy Award-winning investigative reporter and a weekend "Coast to Coast" host, praises Alexander's stance and suggests his book "will almost certainly infuriate zealots on both ends of the UFO spectrum."
In his review of Alexander's book, Knapp wrote: "Alexander's military mind instinctively gets to the heart of UFO cases and issues, makes quick work of charlatans and fools, and will likely inspire a new round of speculation about his presumed role as an MIB-type spook who spies on the UFO community."
In the early 1980s, Alexander created a behind-the-scenes government UFO study group called Advanced Theoretical Physics, or ATP, that consisted of members of the military, scientific and intelligence communities. With a top-secret security clearance, Alexander also had a tremendous amount of flexibility.
A key outcome of that study group was, contrary to conspiracy theorists' beliefs, that nobody in the government was responsible for UFO information.
He says that after his ATP group looked at many UFO cases, they came to some key conclusions:
* There was sufficient evidence supported by high-quality data to know that some UFO cases were real anomalies -- not just poor observation or misidentification. * There were cases involving military weapon systems that posed a significant threat and should be investigated. * Multisensory data supported observations of physical craft that performed intelligent maneuvers that were far beyond any known human capability. * There were cases that involved trace physical evidence. * Study of the UFO data could provide a potential for a leap in technology.
All that being said, Alexander also states that the infamous Roswell, N.M., UFO case of 1947 was not, in fact, a crashed alien spacecraft but a top-secret military project called Mogul.
"It was a real incident, no doubt about it. The Air Force played it abysmally, but I think there is a prosaic answer, and that was Project Mogul," Alexander explained. "It wasn't a weather balloon -- it was something really quite different. This was designed to listen to the Soviet Union.
"So when they say it was stretched out across the field, yup, exactly the way it was done. It was supersecret and it didn't involve UFOs."
After many years of deep research into UFOs, Alexander is convinced from both a personal and military point of view that it's a much more complex issue than the idea of Earth being visited by extraterrestrials. He proposes a concept called precognitive sentient phenomena.
"The point is there is something out there that is sentient. When I say precognitive, it knows -- whatever it is -- not only what it is going to present, but how we are going to respond to it.
"The public is interested but ambivalent in general. The public believes in UFOs, but it doesn't affect their daily lives," Alexander explained. "In the military, you learn very quickly it is not career-enhancing to bring up anomalies that you don't have good answers for.
"There's a euphemism in the military: If you bring me a problem, bring me a solution."
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: Niffla]
#14019295 - 02/24/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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this is so typical.
He says that after his ATP group looked at many UFO cases, they came to some key conclusions: There was sufficient evidence supported by high-quality data to know that some UFO cases were real anomalies -- not just poor observation or misidentification. There were cases involving military weapon systems that posed a significant threat and should be investigated. Multisensory data supported observations of physical craft that performed intelligent maneuvers that were far beyond any known human capability. There were cases that involved trace physical evidence. Study of the UFO data could provide a potential for a leap in technology. All that being said, Alexander also states that the infamous Roswell, N.M., UFO case of 1947 was not, in fact, a crashed alien spacecraft but a top-secret military project called Mogul. bullshit, is that why they ran this story?
 It seems like they are actually going to disclose but try to save face first, so as not to look like the greedy liars they are.
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: Learyfan]
#14019298 - 02/24/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can we please start calling them something besides UFO's? You'd be an idiot not to believe there are unidentified objects in the sky 
But seemingly most people are talking about aliens or someshit whenever the word is mentioned.
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: twighead]
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: henk600]
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: SirDabsAlot]
#23130831 - 04/18/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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The military men who talk about ufos are paranoid killers
And the ufos that exist are from the nations who's people they have killed
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: Buckthorn] 1
#23130913 - 04/18/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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When I first saw this thread I thought to myself, "great another dumb ass UFO thread".
And then I opened it and to my horror I see that it's a thread that I made 61 months ago
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: Niffla]
#23131318 - 04/18/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds like you've been reprogrammed to ignore.
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Shroomopotamus said: Sounds like you've been re-programed to ignore.

Come to think of it I did notice a small scratch on my forearm this morning. Maybe they planted some shit in me when I was sleeping
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: Niffla]
#23131364 - 04/18/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't doubt it the slightest bit.
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A buddy I introduced to shrooms now thinks he was chipped as a child. He showed me where he thinks it is and plans to get whatever it is removed. I just think he trips too much.
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: JohnnieYen]
#23131476 - 04/18/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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JohnnieYen said: A buddy I introduced to shrooms now thinks he was chipped as a child. He showed me where he thinks it is and plans to get whatever it is removed. I just think he trips too much.
I lol'd
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: JohnnieYen]
#23131627 - 04/18/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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JohnnieYen said: A buddy I introduced to shrooms now thinks he was chipped as a child. He showed me where he thinks it is and plans to get whatever it is removed. I just think he trips too much.
Because you would know better than him as to what events happened in his life?
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Its been a full descent into conspiracy madness. I wouldn't be talking about getting chipped without some real proof. He believe it controls his emotions though satellites.
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: JohnnieYen]
#23131939 - 04/18/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where is the power source for his chip? Would need a low noise amplifier to interpret signals coming in from space.
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: JohnnieYen]
#23132043 - 04/18/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Where is the power source for his chip? Would need a low noise amplifier to interpret signals coming in from space.
the moon?  inside the chip itself maybe?  perhaps the human body acts as a power source? 

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JohnnieYen said: Its been a full descent into conspiracy madness. I wouldn't be talking about getting chipped without some real proof. He believe it controls his emotions though satellites.
You'd probably sound fairly bonkers to others too if you knew aliens put an implant in you
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Shroomopotamus said: the moon?  inside the chip itself maybe?  perhaps the human body acts as a power source? 

Such a small antenna, one that doesn't get much height at that, must get a super distorted signal. Would be non-existent indoors and during any kind of cloud cover. Forget getting a signal in a city around high buildings. I don't know how one would possibly get a consistent beacon signal with such a setup.
I suppose the human body could power a small LNA, but how about the demultiplexer? That's a real mind fucker there. Must be a pretty impressive piece of equipment to demultiplex digital signals into neuro-chemical directions, while powering itself using digested sugar at the same time. Kudo's to the developers, quite the impressive feat of technological engineering right there. If they can do that, they can literally do anything else. Don't know why they're wasting their time with this small fry shit.
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Re: Some fuel for the UFO fires [Re: PatrickKn]
#23132264 - 04/18/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't expect our technologies compare to whatever they're cookin' up.
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