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Invisiblekoraks
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Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack
    #14018786 - 02/24/11 08:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Just to let you know, coming in just behind snorting coke or eating until you rupture, pot smoking is the #3 trigger for a heart attack.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(10)62296-9/abstract
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Could we rename the 'Post when you smoke' thread to 'Post when you fibrillate'?


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: koraks]
    #14018798 - 02/24/11 08:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for sharing this..

i have a friend with heart problems, he never tried molly or rolls but ALWAYS smokes mad weed.

one day i was like dude, you know weed is bad for the heart right? hes like 'uhhh no?' lol


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: koraks]
    #14018851 - 02/24/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Someone with journal access needs to post pdf.

It's meaningless without reading the whole study.

Also, inb4 shitstorm


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14018863 - 02/24/11 09:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Not surprising, weed has a very noticeable effect on my heart alot of the time, especially in combination with caffeine or phenethylamines.

But still, fuck :sad:


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14018890 - 02/24/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The abstract also says;

Taking into account the OR (odds ratios) and the prevalences of exposure, the highest PAF (population attributable fractions) was estimated for traffic exposure (7·4%), followed by physical exertion (6·2%), alcohol (5·0%), coffee (5·0%), a difference of 30 μg/m3 in PM10 (4·8%), negative emotions (3·9%), anger (3·1%), heavy meal (2·7%), positive emotions (2·4%), sexual activity (2·2%), cocaine use (0·9%), marijuana smoking (0·8%) and respiratory infections (0·6%).

I just downloaded the full text, how do i post it? I have never posted .pdfs on here before


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: daiy] * 1
    #14018894 - 02/24/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

hmmm. not buying it.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #14018898 - 02/24/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hrm, I think you might have to upload it to a site like Megaupload or Sendspace and post the link.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14018913 - 02/24/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Marijuana is not dangerous. Combustion is dangerous.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Rocker232]
    #14018916 - 02/24/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14018948 - 02/24/11 09:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/1fychb

hopefully that works, an ad will pop up but the file is there

Figure 2 is interesting, it shows that smoking cannabis is only as likely to induce a heart attack in an individual as physical exertion is, basically this means if you suffer a myocardial infarction as a result of smoking cannabis you likely will have suffered one anyway from something else which speeds up your heart (eg. walking up a stairs, running etc)

so in effect cannabis is only a risk factor to unhealthy fat-asses or people with existing serious heart problems


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #14018955 - 02/24/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Spiderbaby said:
The abstract also says;

Taking into account the OR (odds ratios) and the prevalences of exposure, the highest PAF (population attributable fractions) was estimated for traffic exposure (7·4%), followed by physical exertion (6·2%), alcohol (5·0%), coffee (5·0%), a difference of 30 μg/m3 in PM10 (4·8%), negative emotions (3·9%), anger (3·1%), heavy meal (2·7%), positive emotions (2·4%), sexual activity (2·2%), cocaine use (0·9%), marijuana smoking (0·8%) and respiratory infections (0·6%).

I just downloaded the full text, how do i post it? I have never posted .pdfs on here before



So smoking pot increases risk as much as me having a bad or a good day and being emotional? lol

I'll take the risk. It pretty much says that if your going to have a heart attack your going to have a heart attack. Something in your life will trigger it if it's going to happen. Ok that sucks but thems the breaks.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: koraks]
    #14018961 - 02/24/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I had a coronary bypass 3 years ago, and I smoke (not regularly though). It never gives me any problems, but then again, my heart itself is okay (normal ECG), just my arteries were a bit clogged.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #14018968 - 02/24/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It worked for me, reading through the paper.

I wouldn't be too worried, pot smokers.

The basis for the statement about marijuana is one study with 124 people.

I really need to take a metanalysis course somewhere, I wish I was better at this.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Kada]
    #14018973 - 02/24/11 09:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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So smoking pot increases risk as much as me having a bad or a good day and being emotional? lol






yeah pretty much, look at Figure 2 in the full text, negative emotions, physical exertion and cannabis use are all around the same place on the x-axis indicating they pose the same risk of myocardial infarction to an individual, eating a heavy meal is actually more of a risk

you can see how the findings in scientific papers can be twisted and misrepresented in the media, a dumbass reporter would just skim through it and declare "OMGZ cannabis is one of the leading heart attack causes"


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: koraks]
    #14018986 - 02/24/11 09:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, I can think of at least a dozen drugs that have a much better chance than Cannabis of inducing a heart attack. Mostly stimulants. And of course Alcohol.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #14018993 - 02/24/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would go as far to say that you can't say much about marijuana triggering heart attacks from this paper at all.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Spiderbaby]
    #14018995 - 02/24/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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you can see how the findings in scientific papers can be twisted and misrepresented in the media, a dumbass reporter would just skim through it and declare "OMGZ cannabis is one of the leading heart attack causes"



Exactly. Actually a major Dutch newspaper headlined it like this: "Insufflating cocaine gives biggest chance of heart attack" (literal translation).

Still, shows that you don't actually need to do empirical research in order to make it to an A journal and gain international attention. Skimming through some papers of colleagues is perfectly sufficient :thumbup:


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #14018997 - 02/24/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Heavy drinking can harm the heart, but light to moderate alcohol intake actually has a beneficial effect, studies I've read have shown.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14019013 - 02/24/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Heavy drinking can harm the heart, but light to moderate alcohol intake actually has a beneficial effect, studies I've read have shown.




I vaguely recall that Ben Goldacre actually talked about that in "Bad Science," that might not be as true as one would think. It's one of those confounding factor things, where teetotallers generally have a reason to not drink at all, be it a history of alcoholism, health issues, or family history which correlates well with bad health. Of course we all know binge drinking is bad for you.

Point is, it's a matter of association, and not necessarily causality.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14019048 - 02/24/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Heavy drinking can harm the heart, but light to moderate alcohol intake actually has a beneficial effect, studies I've read have shown.




Of course. A glass of wine, a beer or two.

But I'm talking about alcoholism. Drinking multiple 5ths of liquor a week.

I can say the same for coke. A line of coke a week or the occasional bit of speed, no problem.

But lots of times it doesn't play out that way. When was the last time you ever heard of someone only having one hit of crack, or meth?


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14019054 - 02/24/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

True, true. Besides, everyone is unique in some way, and what may be good for one may not be good for another.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #14019188 - 02/24/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Wow, I can think of at least a dozen drugs that have a much better chance than Cannabis of inducing a heart attack. Mostly stimulants. And of course Alcohol.




Yeah. Um. Meth? Adderall? Ritalin?


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14019222 - 02/24/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Anything that raises blood pressure or heart rate can trigger a heart attack.  And marijuana obviously raises heart rate.  All it takes is checking your pulse when you're fried and have been sitting on the couch for an hour to know this for sure.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Blend]
    #14019229 - 02/24/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Anything that raises blood pressure or heart rate can trigger a heart attack.  And marijuana obviously raises heart rate.  All it takes is checking your pulse when you're fried and have been sitting on the couch for an hour to know this for sure.




thats such a good point. i always do this actually and it kinda bothers me.


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Re: Pot smoking #3 trigger for heart attack [Re: Atheist]
    #14020781 - 02/24/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So many things can raise your heart rate though.  This article mainly just informed me that ALOT of people are smoking the reefer. :jointsmile:


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