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    #14017792 - 02/24/11 01:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i recently had a conversation with a fellow on omegle on death.  i saved it, sent it to a friend, deleted it, and am presently trying to track it down again thru said friend.  anyhoo, he had a very logical view on life and i was genuinely surprised at how much it all made sense to me.  the only problem is that i can't comprehend "nothing".  it was his thinking, as is the same for many many others, that when we die nothing happens. we simply shut off.  no heaven, no hell, no reincarnation, no eternal bliss. just OFF. i don't understand "nothing". i can't imagine "nothing".  i wouldn't even know where to begin with "nothing".  i'm not necessarily looking for answers, i'm mostly just tired, bored, and questioning existence. thoughts?  if i find the conversation i'll post it, whether anyone's interested or not.


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017800 - 02/24/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think of it as when you fall asleep or pass out. You wake up and dont remember anything. Its like you werent even there. The eternal sleep. Just...nothing


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017808 - 02/24/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can imagine nothing. What was it like before you born?
Nothing.
Nothingness makes a lot of sense to me, because all nothing is, is the lack of something.

The only reason it's hard to understand is because for our entire lives, there is something. There's always something, so we assume there will always be something. WE will cease, everything else will exist.


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017822 - 02/24/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah it kind of pisses me off. It's logical that when your nervous system no longer has activity, the system can't continue and you can no longer think or retain memory.

But we also know that time seems to pass by instantly when we aren't conscious. So when we die, logically we can conclude that we either
experience nothing and the universe simply goes on,
or time is infinite and we eventually become conscious again when our nervous system occurs again in some form.

It would be kind of like we respawn in a different scenario that happened to bring us about.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14017830 - 02/24/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think of it as when you fall asleep or pass out. You wake up and dont remember anything. Its like you werent even there. The eternal sleep. Just...nothing



but the reason you know you dont remember anything is that you woke up, right?  what would it be  like to not wake up?  i can't comprehend it

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I can imagine nothing. What was it like before you born?
Nothing.
Nothingness makes a lot of sense to me, because all nothing is, is the lack of something.

The only reason it's hard to understand is because for our entire lives, there is something. There's always something, so we assume there will always be something. WE will cease, everything else will exist.




that makes some sense. however, you still know about that "nothing" because you achieved consciousness after birth.  what would it be like to not know about that "nothing", but instead experience(or not experience) it? i still can't wrap my head around it.  again, probly no answer for this, just rambling


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Re: Nothing [Re: Moo456]
    #14017842 - 02/24/11 01:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Nothing is something.

Its like deadspace, the absence of something which is nothing. :crankey:

I just say fuck all the existentialism thought. I'll find out when Im dead. Enjoy everything now. Life is hedonism, seek pleasure with the least amount of pain possible. Do this and jizz your whole life. Then die happy wishing you could have a little more pleasure :grin:


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Re: Nothing [Re: Moo456]
    #14017847 - 02/24/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah it kind of pisses me off. It's logical that when your nervous system no longer has activity, the system can't continue and you can no longer think or retain memory.

But we also know that time seems to pass by instantly when we aren't conscious. So when we die, logically we can conclude that we either
experience nothing and the universe simply goes on,
or time is infinite and we eventually become conscious again when our nervous system occurs again in some form.

It would be kind of like we respawn in a different scenario that happened to bring us about.




good points, but time can also work in the opposite fashion.  you can sit on your couch after consuming some good shrooms and live multiple lifetimes, then snap out of it and realize it's been an hour and your dog needs to go out.  time in our heads can be just as real as time in the "real world".  so, i would have to be more inclined to believe that time is infinte, but we aren't able to experience all of it


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017851 - 02/24/11 01:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think of it as when you fall asleep or pass out. You wake up and dont remember anything. Its like you werent even there. The eternal sleep. Just...nothing



but the reason you know you dont remember anything is that you woke up, right?  what would it be  like to not wake up?  i can't comprehend it

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I can imagine nothing. What was it like before you born?
Nothing.
Nothingness makes a lot of sense to me, because all nothing is, is the lack of something.

The only reason it's hard to understand is because for our entire lives, there is something. There's always something, so we assume there will always be something. WE will cease, everything else will exist.




that makes some sense. however, you still know about that "nothing" because you achieved consciousness after birth.  what would it be like to not know about that "nothing", but instead experience(or not experience) it? i still can't wrap my head around it.  again, probly no answer for this, just rambling




Nothingness is not to be experienced. Nothingness comes about at the end of our experience.
It would be like falling asleep and never waking up, but never knowing you went to sleep.
There will be no "you" to interpret your death. Just...nothing. It's pretty easy for me to wrap my head around...what about nothingness can't you understand?


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017864 - 02/24/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

cheers to enthrall, thats mostly how i live my life.  it has its ups and downs, but overall i find myself pretty happy.  however, i still have that nagging feeling that i'm gonna be laying on my deathbed thinking "hmmm, this kind of sucks.  i dont want to experience nothing. i like experiencing something. anything. well......................  ohpleaselettherebeGodorreincarnationorsomethinghailmary." i dont want to be like that.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14017873 - 02/24/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

can you really imagine "nothing"? i think its a bit different than simply sleeping.  when we fall asleep or pass out there's still brain activity, dreams, etc. plus, we know we became unconscious because we convieniently wake up later and think "wow i dont remember anything that happened during the last 8 hours. i must have been sleeping". that doesnt happen with death(least i dont think it does).


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017876 - 02/24/11 01:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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cheers to enthrall, thats mostly how i live my life.  it has its ups and downs, but overall i find myself pretty happy.  however, i still have that nagging feeling that i'm gonna be laying on my deathbed thinking "hmmm, this kind of sucks.  i dont want to experience nothing. i like experiencing something. anything. well......................  ohpleaselettherebeGodorreincarnationorsomethinghailmary." i dont want to be like that.




Haha you aren't special, and "YOU" don't want to experience nothing because you're too attached to your ego to be at peace with the fact that someday all you will be is a memory.
One huge dose of mushrooms made me completely at peace with death. I used to get some anxiety thinking about dying, and not existing, but now I am actually sort of looking forward to that day. When I can rest...
AND WHO KNOWS maybe I'm wrong and it'll be like a huge DMT trip, or there will be heaven or I'll burn in hell, or I'll come back as another being, as a tree or a monkey or some shit.
I'm happy with accepting nothingness. I don't want to exist forever.


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017883 - 02/24/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Actually the reason this pisses me off is because I dont want to be conscious forever.

Conscious life in various forms always seems to be struggling one way or another. Sure it's not bad now, but think about all the beings that had to exist before we could make life as worry free as it is now. Even so, we just made it worry free for ourselves. Many humans and animals are still suffering today.


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017884 - 02/24/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well you cant even possibly know the answer. I personally believe after death is truth. All you ever wanted to know will be answered. The answer to life the universe and everything. With the answer someone transcends their own conscience-ness to a place above something, nothing, matter, existence. :shrug:

I think you can still enjoy the ride and be fairly egotistical while understanding death is at the end of the road and theres nothing you can do to stop it. Anyway life is just a memory forgotten.

Personally I dont know how you can fear death. It would suck having to live forever. Forever thinking, my mind is always clicking someday I'd like to to end. Im glad that it will, but im also optimistic about what might happen. I think in the end everything will be worth it, so more power to ya death. As they say. Death is only the beginning. What begins must also end.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14017891 - 02/24/11 01:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

but d00d, you won't be resting. there will be no "you".  end of consciousness. zippo.  why would you want that?  i think i'd rather experience anything than to not have a consciousness. how can you look forward to nothing?


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Re: Nothing [Re: Enthrall]
    #14017903 - 02/24/11 01:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Well you cant even possibly know the answer. I personally believe after death is truth. All you ever wanted to know will be answered. The answer to life the universe and everything. With the answer someone transcends their own conscience-ness to a place above something, nothing, matter, existence. :shrug:




that'd be nice :awesomenod:

Moo456, yes life is suffering, but sometimes its pretty damn good. also, life means consciousness, which means we can, at the very least, hope for an end to said suffering. our consciousness is one hell of a gift, one that i never wish to give up


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017914 - 02/24/11 01:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If I had to live forever I'd be k with that just cause I realized awhile back to just let go, nothing is worth taking serious anymore especially the consequences of death. :smokeweedallday:


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017924 - 02/24/11 01:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Sure you think that as things are. Maybe some sex slave that gets raped and beaten every day would disagree. For them the hope for the suffering to end won't make it end any faster.

I'd rather have a universe that had no life than one that had a living hell for many and bliss for others. That's just me though.


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017939 - 02/24/11 02:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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but d00d, you won't be resting. there will be no "you".  end of consciousness. zippo.  why would you want that?  i think i'd rather experience anything than to not have a consciousness. how can you look forward to nothing?




Exactly! Why would I WANT that? Idk...I guess nothing is easier for me to grasp than infinity. Seriously, FOREVER?! No thank you. I don't NEED to exist forever. Why? What's the point?

Just like you say, there will be no "you". "You" will have no idea you've even died.
That will be peace IMO


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14017954 - 02/24/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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but d00d, you won't be resting. there will be no "you".  end of consciousness. zippo.  why would you want that?  i think i'd rather experience anything than to not have a consciousness. how can you look forward to nothing?




Exactly! Why would I WANT that? Idk...I guess nothing is easier for me to grasp than infinity. Seriously, FOREVER?! No thank you. I don't NEED to exist forever. Why? What's the point?

Just like you say, there will be no "you". "You" will have no idea you've even died.
That will be peace IMO




I think of someone saying the opposite of this and 60 yrs later there like get me the hell outta here  :oldman:


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Re: Nothing [Re: Moo456]
    #14017958 - 02/24/11 02:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i realize that i suffer less than a large portion of the population. even so, when faced with a choice between a consciousness no matter how shitty and nothing, i'm pretty sure i'd choose the former. however, i may have a biased opinion, being that i've never been a sex slave and all.

as i said before, our consciousness is a precious gift. we can think, we can react, we can do more shit inside and outside our heads than is logically necessary and it fucking rocks. who would want to give that up?


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14017968 - 02/24/11 02:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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but d00d, you won't be resting. there will be no "you".  end of consciousness. zippo.  why would you want that?  i think i'd rather experience anything than to not have a consciousness. how can you look forward to nothing?




Exactly! Why would I WANT that? Idk...I guess nothing is easier for me to grasp than infinity. Seriously, FOREVER?! No thank you. I don't NEED to exist forever. Why? What's the point?

Just like you say, there will be no "you". "You" will have no idea you've even died.
That will be peace IMO




i would think that you would need to have a consciousness in order to experience peace, right?


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017974 - 02/24/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i realize that i suffer less than a large portion of the population. even so, when faced with a choice between a consciousness no matter how shitty and nothing, i'm pretty sure i'd choose the former. however, i may have a biased opinion, being that i've never been a sex slave and all.

as i said before, our consciousness is a precious gift. we can think, we can react, we can do more shit inside and outside our heads than is logically necessary and it fucking rocks. who would want to give that up?




I don't want to give up my life, and I plan on living for as long as possible. Life is amazing and I appreciate every second of it, because I realize that any second could be my last. I could wake up tomorrow and get hit by a car and die, and that would fucking suck, but if it happens...I won't be any the wiser. I'll be nothing, and I've come to terms with that. It doesn't scare me, and if I'm wrong then I guess I'm in for a nice surprise, huh?

Of course you would choose consciousness. People are SO attached to themselves that they don't stop and realize how insignificant "THEY" are. I do. So, while I'm here, I'm going to live life to the fullest and do everything I want. Someday (and I'm sure you will find this as you get older) you will probably be looking forward to death. Existence gets old after a while


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14017975 - 02/24/11 02:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe he means incomprehensible peace.
The impermanent-ness of life makes it so much more enjoyable. Anyone else would get bored and it would lose its luster.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14017980 - 02/24/11 02:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I can imagine nothing. What was it like before you born?
Nothing.
Nothingness makes a lot of sense to me, because all nothing is, is the lack of something.

The only reason it's hard to understand is because for our entire lives, there is something. There's always something, so we assume there will always be something. WE will cease, everything else will exist.




Exactly.

Remember before you were born?

Neither do I.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Enthrall]
    #14017988 - 02/24/11 02:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe he means incomprehensible peace.




I just mean that nothingness will be what people describe as peace. There's no "you" to experience the nothing, so what more could you ask for? There's no more worry, or sadness, or anger, or happiness, or feeling...NOTHING. It can't be bad, because nothing doesn't exist. We won't exist, we will be nothing.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Enthrall]
    #14017997 - 02/24/11 02:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i'm perfectly ok with being attached to myself. i'm pretty damn significant in MY world. for example, i'm significant enough to be able to experience something as wonderful as psychedelics; that makes me pretty damn special. i dont think existance will ever get old. there are so many possibilties, be it in the "real" world or in your head.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14018002 - 02/24/11 02:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe he means incomprehensible peace.




I just mean that nothingness will be what people describe as peace. There's no "you" to experience the nothing, so what more could you ask for? There's no more worry, or sadness, or anger, or happiness, or feeling...NOTHING. It can't be bad, because nothing doesn't exist. We won't exist, we will be nothing.




So your saying we know what peace is? If peace is what you said than how do we know its peaceful(if no ones experience it and shared)? Peace is a word and human concept. What you say is incomprehensible(by human standards) but I understood what you mean.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14018010 - 02/24/11 02:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

idk, my definition of peace includes a bit of happiness, even if its just the happiness that comes from the knowledge that i'm at peace


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    #14018016 - 02/24/11 02:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Enthrall said:
Maybe he means incomprehensible peace.




I just mean that nothingness will be what people describe as peace. There's no "you" to experience the nothing, so what more could you ask for? There's no more worry, or sadness, or anger, or happiness, or feeling...NOTHING. It can't be bad, because nothing doesn't exist. We won't exist, we will be nothing.




So your saying we know what peace is? If peace is what you said than how do we know its peaceful(if no ones experience it and shared)? Peace is a word and human concept. What you say is incomprehensible(by human standards) but I understood what you mean.




ehhhh it's hard to articulate what I'm trying to say, but I'm glad you understand.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14018040 - 02/24/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

when have you felt most at peace? i've had several drug-induced moments where all i could feel was peace. reading a book, listening to music, hanging with friends, all of this = peace to me. but, again, i'm FEELING. i'm EXPERIENCING. which requires a consciousness


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14018042 - 02/24/11 02:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I see peace as sleeping with no alarm clock.


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Re: Nothing [Re: DrMambo]
    #14018050 - 02/24/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I see peace as sleeping with no alarm clock.




and you feel at peace because you WOKE UP and wuz all like "damn that felt great"


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14018056 - 02/24/11 02:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Not quite.

I wanna be all tuckered out when I die, ready to take a permanent nap.

If I 'm not all exhausted from life, then I still feel I'll be able to accept it, because I'll have no choice.

Though I really do wanna make it to the point where it's like, "I've experienced so much... time to experience death."


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Re: Nothing [Re: DrMambo]
    #14018064 - 02/24/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if death is nothing, are you really "experiencing" death?


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14018073 - 02/24/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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when have you felt most at peace? i've had several drug-induced moments where all i could feel was peace. reading a book, listening to music, hanging with friends, all of this = peace to me. but, again, i'm FEELING. i'm EXPERIENCING. which requires a consciousness





on really high doses of psychedelics, when experiencing ego death was probably the closest I've ever felt to what I would call "peace". That feels like death to me, because the "you" part essentially ceases to exist and "you" become everything. Kinda like that feeling...without all the visuals :awecid:


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Not quite.

I wanna be all tuckered out when I die, ready to take a permanent nap.

If I 'm not all exhausted from life, then I still feel I'll be able to accept it, because I'll have no choice.

Though I really do wanna make it to the point where it's like, "I've experienced so much... time to experience death."





Yeah that's what I want too. Where I can look back on my life and say I did everything I wanted to do. Everything that life has to offer, because you're only here once!
or maybe I'll turn into a ghost  :awedrugs:

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if death is nothing, are you really "experiencing" death?




No, you die, then you are nothing. There's nothing to experience! It's just nothing.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14018085 - 02/24/11 02:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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when have you felt most at peace? i've had several drug-induced moments where all i could feel was peace. reading a book, listening to music, hanging with friends, all of this = peace to me. but, again, i'm FEELING. i'm EXPERIENCING. which requires a consciousness





on really high doses of psychedelics, when experiencing ego death was probably the closest I've ever felt to what I would call "peace". That feels like death to me, because the "you" part essentially ceases to exist and "you" become everything. Kinda like that feeling...without all the visuals :awecid:


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Not quite.

I wanna be all tuckered out when I die, ready to take a permanent nap.

If I 'm not all exhausted from life, then I still feel I'll be able to accept it, because I'll have no choice.

Though I really do wanna make it to the point where it's like, "I've experienced so much... time to experience death."





Yeah that's what I want too. Where I can look back on my life and say I did everything I wanted to do. Everything that life has to offer, because you're only here once!
or maybe I'll turn into a ghost  :awedrugs:

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if death is nothing, are you really "experiencing" death?




No, you die, then you are nothing. There's nothing to experience! It's just nothing.




how can you become part of everything when death is nothing but an off switch? when you're on a high dose of a psychedelic you're still experiencing, you still have a consciousness that is being bent over and shown where the wild goose goes.  there's a sizeable difference between ego-death and death-death.


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14018107 - 02/24/11 02:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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when have you felt most at peace? i've had several drug-induced moments where all i could feel was peace. reading a book, listening to music, hanging with friends, all of this = peace to me. but, again, i'm FEELING. i'm EXPERIENCING. which requires a consciousness





on really high doses of psychedelics, when experiencing ego death was probably the closest I've ever felt to what I would call "peace". That feels like death to me, because the "you" part essentially ceases to exist and "you" become everything. Kinda like that feeling...without all the visuals :awecid:


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DrMambo said:
Not quite.

I wanna be all tuckered out when I die, ready to take a permanent nap.

If I 'm not all exhausted from life, then I still feel I'll be able to accept it, because I'll have no choice.

Though I really do wanna make it to the point where it's like, "I've experienced so much... time to experience death."





Yeah that's what I want too. Where I can look back on my life and say I did everything I wanted to do. Everything that life has to offer, because you're only here once!
or maybe I'll turn into a ghost  :awedrugs:

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if death is nothing, are you really "experiencing" death?




No, you die, then you are nothing. There's nothing to experience! It's just nothing.




how can you become part of everything when death is nothing but an off switch? when you're on a high dose of a psychedelic you're still experiencing, you still have a consciousness that is being bent over and shown where the wild goose goes.  there's a sizeable difference between ego-death and death-death.




dude you're just not getting me...
i KNOW it's different, but you asked what I thought peace was, and feeling like absolutely nothing, like you've died, was pretty peaceful so all I'm saying is that I have no problem being dead and there being absolutely nothing. I will just be erased from existence, like I was never even here. That's fine with me.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14018123 - 02/24/11 02:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i understand what you're saying, i just dont think you've actually felt like absolute nothing-ness. i understand that you've had your ego torn to shreds and all but i still dont think that constitutes experiencing "nothing".  however, to each their own. as long as you're happy not a fuck should be given about what i think, right?


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14018133 - 02/24/11 03:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i understand what you're saying, i just dont think you've actually felt like absolute nothing-ness. i understand that you've had your ego torn to shreds and all but i still dont think that constitutes experiencing "nothing".  however, to each their own. as long as you're happy not a fuck should be given about what i think, right?




I didn't say I'd experienced nothing, but ego death was the closest I've come to feeling like nothing. Hahah, it's such a paradox, you can't feel nothing, but i can certainly imagine it, and accept it as my fate after death.
I just don't have any desire to continue on. I see no point in continuing. If there was a heaven, then there is a hell, but I think these ideas of life after death are just people's fantasies because they can't accept nothing. I also think heaven & hell are just tools of the church to attract members because more people = more cash for the church, and what better promise than eternal bliss and existence? And better yet, if you DON'T believe and pay them money, you're going to burn for eternity! Gah, religion is just bullshit. You live and you die, then there's nothing.

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Re: Nothing [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #14018137 - 02/24/11 03:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think of it as when you fall asleep or pass out. You wake up and dont remember anything. Its like you werent even there. The eternal sleep. Just...nothing




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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14018143 - 02/24/11 03:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i recently had a conversation with a fellow on omegle on death.  i saved it, sent it to a friend, deleted it, and am presently trying to track it down again thru said friend.  anyhoo, he had a very logical view on life and i was genuinely surprised at how much it all made sense to me.  the only problem is that i can't comprehend "nothing".  it was his thinking, as is the same for many many others, that when we die nothing happens. we simply shut off.  no heaven, no hell, no reincarnation, no eternal bliss. just OFF. i don't understand "nothing". i can't imagine "nothing".  i wouldn't even know where to begin with "nothing".  i'm not necessarily looking for answers, i'm mostly just tired, bored, and questioning existence. thoughts?  if i find the conversation i'll post it, whether anyone's interested or not.





have you ever tried to make your mind blank?

from time to time i notice when i WAS doing it. not thinking of anything just kinda chillin, not feeling, just there. makes me feel like time froze or something.

how calming it is.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14019007 - 02/24/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i agree with you to an extent. i'm not a believer or anything, i also think religion is a crock of shit.  and i'm sorry to beat a dead horse...

but again my problem isn't necessarily with accepting nothing-ness after death.  i just can't even imagine it.  i can't accept or deny it without first having some idea about what it is, and i don't have any idea what nothing-ness is


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14019129 - 02/24/11 10:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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but the reason you know you dont remember anything is that you woke up, right?  what would it be  like to not wake up?  i can't comprehend it




what did you feel like 100 years ago? thats what death is going to be like IMO. just nothin'


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Re: Nothing [Re: Atheist]
    #14019173 - 02/24/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

again, the only reason you know that there was nothing is that you have a consciousness today.  without a consciousness, how do you know that there is nothing, or an abscence of anything? how can you experience nothing when you no longer have a consciousness? thats what i can't comprehend.


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    #14019180 - 02/24/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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how can you experience nothing when you no longer have a consciousness?




you cant experience anything. thats why its nothing


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Re: Nothing [Re: Atheist]
    #14019197 - 02/24/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:hmm:

still not wrapping my head around it. which is just fine i guess


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14019237 - 02/24/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You don't experience the nothing, there just is nothing.


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14020240 - 02/24/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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again, the only reason you know that there was nothing is that you have a consciousness today.  without a consciousness, how do you know that there is nothing, or an abscence of anything? how can you experience nothing when you no longer have a consciousness? thats what i can't comprehend.




exactly...there is NO experience. That's what death is...the end of all experience. The annihilation of our consciousness into complete and total NOTHING.
Here is a good way to imagine nothing. Take a piece of paper and light it on fire. It will burn, shrivel up, and the ashes will blow away as smoke dissolving into the atmosphere.

I know that there is nothing because life existed before me. Life existed before you, before our parents, and their grandparents, life was happening long before anyone alive today took their first breath.
THINK. What was it like before you were born? Try and imagine it. It's hard, because...there's NOTHING to imagine. Complete lack of something, which is where we're headed once we die.

Again, you won't experience it. You won't even know it happened. One day you will be here, smiling, and the next you'll be completely obliterated as if you never existed.

Just...Nothing.


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Re: Nothing [Re: Anthony917]
    #14020895 - 02/24/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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again, the only reason you know that there was nothing is that you have a consciousness today.  without a consciousness, how do you know that there is nothing, or an abscence of anything? how can you experience nothing when you no longer have a consciousness? thats what i can't comprehend.




exactly...there is NO experience. That's what death is...the end of all experience. The annihilation of our consciousness into complete and total NOTHING.
Here is a good way to imagine nothing. Take a piece of paper and light it on fire. It will burn, shrivel up, and the ashes will blow away as smoke dissolving into the atmosphere.

I know that there is nothing because life existed before me. Life existed before you, before our parents, and their grandparents, life was happening long before anyone alive today took their first breath.
THINK. What was it like before you were born? Try and imagine it. It's hard, because...there's NOTHING to imagine. Complete lack of something, which is where we're headed once we die.

Again, you won't experience it. You won't even know it happened. One day you will be here, smiling, and the next you'll be completely obliterated as if you never existed.

Just...Nothing.




there's no point in trying to imagine anything before one was born, thats obvious. it's impossible.  our consciousness didn't exist before we were born.  knowing that doesn't help me understand nothingness any better, but i guess there's really nothing to understand. btw, i found that omegle convo i had about consciousness and death, i'll post it right quick just cuz i want to


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Re: Nothing [Re: clown133]
    #14021015 - 02/24/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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again, the only reason you know that there was nothing is that you have a consciousness today.  without a consciousness, how do you know that there is nothing, or an abscence of anything? how can you experience nothing when you no longer have a consciousness? thats what i can't comprehend.




exactly...there is NO experience. That's what death is...the end of all experience. The annihilation of our consciousness into complete and total NOTHING.
Here is a good way to imagine nothing. Take a piece of paper and light it on fire. It will burn, shrivel up, and the ashes will blow away as smoke dissolving into the atmosphere.

I know that there is nothing because life existed before me. Life existed before you, before our parents, and their grandparents, life was happening long before anyone alive today took their first breath.
THINK. What was it like before you were born? Try and imagine it. It's hard, because...there's NOTHING to imagine. Complete lack of something, which is where we're headed once we die.

Again, you won't experience it. You won't even know it happened. One day you will be here, smiling, and the next you'll be completely obliterated as if you never existed.

Just...Nothing.




there's no point in trying to imagine anything before one was born, thats obvious. it's impossible.  our consciousness didn't exist before we were born.  knowing that doesn't help me understand nothingness any better, but i guess there's really nothing to understand. btw, i found that omegle convo i had about consciousness and death, i'll post it right quick just cuz i want to




I can imagine it...it's nothing. It's nonexistence. it makes sense that the only reason "I" exist is because my brain made me up. I'm the part that was created by my brain to sustain my body. My experiences shaped me into who I am, just as your experiences shaped you, but at the beginning, we're all the same. "I" am not special in any way, nor are you. It's easy to imagine nothingness, I don't see how you're having such a hard time with it...
watch the video Envix posted...there is nothingness all around you. Nothingness is the only reason we can see the things around us.


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