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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: claytonsemple]
    #14003739 - 02/21/11 08:25 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

FELONIES DON'T COME FREE. And neither should mushrooms. Whats not right is someone expecting a free trip. Shit I have always payed for my trips and I would have no problem paying someone 50$ for a solid trip. Taking into consideration that they risked their FREEDOM to give me the opportunity, I see it as more than fair that I get charged. Psych's shouldn't be free. Not when a prison sentence is at stake at least.

It so ridiculous when people complain about prices. Ive literally seen people wine like babies about an 11$ hit of good LSD. But they jump on the opportunity of a 10$ hit. wtf ? Shit, I would pay 100$ for a hit of good acid as long as I had a strong trip. How can people put a price on a special experience like that ? Especially when the price difference is under 20$. ughhh

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14003832 - 02/21/11 08:44 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

If you trust him to not rat you out under any circumstances I say do it man. I see no moral conflicts, but it's ultimately up to you.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14004212 - 02/21/11 09:51 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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FELONIES DON'T COME FREE. And neither should mushrooms. Whats not right is someone expecting a free trip. Shit I have always payed for my trips and I would have no problem paying someone 50$ for a solid trip. Taking into consideration that they risked their FREEDOM to give me the opportunity, I see it as more than fair that I get charged. Psych's shouldn't be free. Not when a prison sentence is at stake at least.

It so ridiculous when people complain about prices. Ive literally seen people wine like babies about an 11$ hit of good LSD. But they jump on the opportunity of a 10$ hit. wtf ? Shit, I would pay 100$ for a hit of good acid as long as I had a strong trip. How can people put a price on a special experience like that ? Especially when the price difference is under 20$. ughhh



I can see where you're coming from, but on the other side, I've had literally more acid for free than I've paid for, thanks to a generous person in particular, and I've also been the one to give out free trips more often than I've sold them. I have paid for trips, and yes, I think that you can't put a price on a good trip, it could be worth hundreds, and honestly I have put that much into the preparation for a trip before, not just for the substance, but for the whole journey, and it is worth it, definitely.

How can you put a price on a great trip? Think about that. How can you decide the price of somebody else's great trip? Try to profit on that. When I am in that situation...I always feel so insignificant. There is this incredible power that I hold and I want to make a couple petty dollars in the process of simply holding open the door for somebody else. Seems pointless. If I were a career drug dealer I'm sure I would feel differently. But I just don't want to be a drug dealer at all.

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: drr]
    #14004558 - 02/21/11 10:52 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

i've read of rumors of a curse with selling shrooms specifically with psychedellics.
but in my personal experiences it just boils down to being smart and doing it more to have people experience it than to profit.
though profiting does happan...and easily....
but i also believe sometimes a person should have a free trip. ive given my friends free ones from time to time again, just because i wanted them to experience it with me.
but also think, if you hadnt bought your trips would you have even had them?... ive only ever been given acid as a freebie and only once. that was as a birthday present.
morals vary from person to person. but if no ones selling this stuff out there, then its not out there. and i feel people should be able to experience it if they want to.
theres a huge risk in doing this which is where money justifys some of it to an extent.
but you cant put a price on a good or even a bad trip


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #14004714 - 02/21/11 11:14 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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i've read of rumors of a curse with selling shrooms specifically with psychedellics.




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i've read of rumors of a curse with selling shrooms specifically with psychedellics.




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    #14005528 - 02/22/11 02:22 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #14005559 - 02/22/11 02:28 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

if you think it's wrong to sell them give them to your friend and say you will take a good will offering for them. so he can give you cash or buy you supplies or groceries or whatever. then he can pass the saving onto whomever. this should help eliminate your moral dilemma and lower the prices in your area.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14005572 - 02/22/11 02:31 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I don't know. I'd never sell drugs because they find out you are the source they will really nail you to the cross. Imagine getting 25 years of your life taken away, friends and family becoming dead to you and abandoning you, and getting to sexually pleasure some hardened criminal. Viking or Victim... All for a few bucks, and growing some harmless mushrooms.

With that said, you would then leave prison institutionalized, with no way to function and easily re-enter society; a drug felon has a harder time than a pedophile to find a job and get hired. Yes, you could actually rape a little kid, and get hired easier at a factory job, but you'll never get one being stuck with a drug record that isn't pot! The US drug laws are so asinine that they basically take away your life for choosing to alter your own consciousness, inquire to and acknowledge the nature and meaning of your own existence.

Therefore since they are fighting a war that is immoral, and even constitutionally illegal and the consequences of capture are worse than physical death, one may consider having a good method of suicide handy. Possibly one that take notes on the tactics of the Vietcong and jihadis.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #14005652 - 02/22/11 02:54 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

The problem I had was whether or not I had the right to give such profound mystical experiences to people. That I should not be a catalyst in someone's own lifechanging experience, and giving and profiting of giving the means to them to do so, that they should 'find it themselves' from someone/where else and I have no right to be having such big impacts on people's lives with psychedelics, positive or not. There are other people that are 'blessed' with this task, and I am not one of them.

That was one thing that played on my mind a lot.I don't know how I'd feel if I sold psychedelics to someone and they had a trip that really fucked them up.

One time a couple of years ago some friends went on a midnight mushroom picking mission and came back with a fucking shopping bag full of shrooms, we ate some and had a mad night, and one kid that was with us took some without us knowing (we didn't give them to him) and he got intensely fucked up and has not been the same since, is now a tragic alcoholic and has been in and out of psych wards. I saw him a year ago (2 or so years after he had those shrooms) and I asked him how I was to which he replied "I'm still blowing out from those shrooms", and as much as people say there is no long lasting psychological effects, I think he is a one-off or whatever, he is genuinely insanely fucked up after that night (he flipped out really bad)

whether or not you want to say "yeah but its up to someone to make theirown lives better" I can't imagine how I'd feel if I actually did give or sell those shrooms to him

just be careful and wary, when I did used to bulk sell them, I used to stress "don't sell them to kids" etc, and tried to retain some kind of moral ground but after I while I decided it was just too hard and the consequencws would have been so great I wouldn't have been able to live with myself

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry] * 1
    #14007126 - 02/22/11 12:18 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I have a moral proposal for you. First lets assume these variables:

1..you plan to keep producing
2..you plan to keep distributing
3..you feel people should have these experiences and want to facilitate
4..you feel uncomfortable with taking a profit

1+2 will assure that you can get in legal trouble, whether you charge money or not.
3 is your motivation.
4 is the dilemma.

Heres something you can do, if you are serious about what you pose here:

1..Make arrangements for a maximum price your friend will sell them for, to assure its reasonable.
2..Take a fair percentage of that as yours.
3..Subtract the money you need for the grow from your cut, and use it to finance your op.
4..Donate the rest to a cheritable cause.

I'm a firm believer in cheritable causes, and in fact the second line of my signature holds 2 charities I believe in. Let me tell you about them.

The first one is an African orphanage located in Moshi, Tanzania. Because of severe poverty and the horrors of AIDS, that country alone has 2.5 million children who are homeless and barely survive on the streets in a third world country. For a sustained donation of just $29 every month they can take another child off the streets, give them a roof over their head, food, clothes, medical care, primary school education and counseling. $29 a month, one child saved from the gutter. Think about it.

The other charitable cause is MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies. This organization funds and supports research into psychedelics and lobbies for the rekindling of such research. They have funded research in using Ecstasy therapy to help war veterans end the war raging on in their heads, PTSD. They have funded research into usage of psychedelics to alleviate or end the inhumane suffering of Cluster Headache patients, which is one of the worlds most painful diseases. Shrooms, LSD, they actually help many of those patients.

Think of it, these are just two examples of where the money could go to. You can pick any of a million charities, one that REALLY speaks to you.

Money isnt a bad thing in itself, its what you do with it. If you do it like this...

1..people will pay a fair price to get shrooms and have the experiences you wish them to have.
2..your best friend gets a nice cut for his efforts.
3..you give freely, but without losing money and get to continue your grow hobby usefully
4..a cheritable cause is helped with your money

Isnt this just full of win and full of good vibes for all?


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Psilocital Inebria]
    #14007295 - 02/22/11 12:46 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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Prison.



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I would worry about the legal ramifications though.




legally, the OP is in trouble if he gets caught giving away a present for free and if he gets caught selling. whats the differance?

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: appreciating]
    #14007316 - 02/22/11 12:50 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

The likelyhood of getting caught.

also, I just sold two ounces for a hundred bucks because I need brakes. :frown:


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Doc_T]
    #14007338 - 02/22/11 12:53 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Asante]
    #14007346 - 02/22/11 12:54 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Man, only you can tell whether doing something is right or wrong. If it feels wrong to you, then don't do it.

I've never sold any drugs, but I've given away to friends... it's just sharing, it feels right. But it depends on the people. Not long ago, I had this kid offering me money for some Lucy he knew I had... I didn't sell it to him, but I didn't give it for free either, I just told him I didn't think it was a good idea for him to trip... he just wanted to go apeshit and trip balls. I know him, I know he's not responsible, I know he wouldn't take the time to read about it and learn and get informed, and I wasn't going to take the time to tell him and "teach" him these things, because I know he wouldn't listen and would just trip whenever he could and do some crazy stupid things.

When you deal and don't know whose hands your stuff is getting into, I think you have to have a "I don't give a fuck" attitude... after all each one of us is responsible for their own actions, but I couldn't help feeling partially responsible for someone else's stupid actions if I -somehow- have something to do with it.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Doc_T]
    #14007363 - 02/22/11 12:59 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

There's a fun book out there called INVISIBLE MARIJUANA about covert growing of both weed and mushrooms and the author takes great pains to make it clear that most growers that run afoul of the law end up in that situation 99.9% of the time for telling people that they grow. ANYBODY. Even if they're not actually selling!

Not to get crazy-paranoid but people (even friends) can do wacky shit when under pressure and that includes turning in their dealer/connection/stranger that they know who grows if it means getting out from under... now extend that chain to a bunch of strangers.

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #14017205 - 02/23/11 11:13 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Nothing wrong with selling stuff. I buy methylone for $5 a hit and sell it for $15/hit. Why? Because that's what people are willing to pay. Is it fucked up? No. I give it out free all the time. In fact, after I count how much free m1 I give out, I'm only making maybe $2 profit per hit. all the money I make goes to buy more drugs that I sell and give out for free.

I feel I'm doing my part in the war on drugs by helping drugs spread far and wide. Fuck the DEA.. sell or spread them for free. Overgrow the government. It's extremely important that you focus on spreading psychedelics including weed to people who have never tried them. Charge money, give them out free, etc—whatever you need to do.

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Quake3]
    #14017732 - 02/24/11 01:00 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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Nothing wrong with selling stuff. I buy methylone for $5 a hit and sell it for $15/hit. Why? Because that's what people are willing to pay. Is it fucked up? No. I give it out free all the time. In fact, after I count how much free m1 I give out, I'm only making maybe $2 profit per hit. all the money I make goes to buy more drugs that I sell and give out for free.

I feel I'm doing my part in the war on drugs by helping drugs spread far and wide. Fuck the DEA.. sell or spread them for free. Overgrow the government. It's extremely important that you focus on spreading psychedelics including weed to people who have never tried them. Charge money, give them out free, etc—whatever you need to do.




I agree bro. I'm not really into money. Well I don't value it as much as others, I guess you could say. But the way I see it, if someone is paying you for your drugs, then you are obviously helping them out. Bottom line. Even if you completely hosed someone, which is not right. BUT bottom line, you are still helping them out. Drugs wouldn't be as  as they are if there was no money involved. Which sucks but I feel confident in making that claim.

Ive been hella hosed on before on drug prices. But regardless I was still stoked the individual could still help me out.

Oh and for the record, I have never and would never rip someone off( I don't want to sound like I'm cool with ripping people off. Not my style ! I prefer the exact opposite:thumbup:

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #14017992 - 02/24/11 02:15 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

What is wrong? 99% of the wealth in this country goes to assholes like the people in the White House!

Do whatever you want. As long as you aren't killing people or stealing, why have any sense of supposedly morality. I mean corporations are so greedy I don't consider stealing from them bad. I don't feel 1 ounce of guilt for the $30,000+ grand I've stolen from corporations dude. Why have any guilt? I don't know about you but I give a jack shit about the laws, I go by but I know is right and wrong. If something is wrong, as in the bible or I feel guilt bout it, I ask jesus for forgiveness.

Most corporations are so greedy and infested with inefficiency, hence why they charge too much for their product. I'd like to see Microsoft run by the Asian lady that runs the mini mart down the street; not some greedy pig bent on maximizing profit. This country only cares about making money. Even though the dickheads that have all the money don't even fucking use it, what the flying fuck is the point?

Straight up. What is all this BS selling mushrooms is wrong? Who said it was wrong? Some assholes that run the DEA? Just like the assholes that run the federal reserve? Fuck the government, until they start to care about us I don't follow their rules; neither should you. The USA is going to turn into fucking China or Mexico City; fuck it already has.

Maybe you should believe in God. Straight Christians told me to my face God doesn't care about drugs and man I honestly pray daily and not only have no regrets about selling drugs (because it helps people), I'm fucking proud of it. Specifically psychedelic mushrooms have far more potential good then bad. Fuck all drugs do. Some fucking lame anti God guilt trip by the government or if you don't believe in God, it was specifically designed to fuck everyone over! Oh and it works so well!! That is why the drug problem in this country is so bad; because go read up on reverse psychology. Treat people like children, they respond.

What is your logical answer for why people smoke shitload of pot and consume shitloads of drugs in the USA and globally? They've been used for thousands of centuries. The guilt complex you have and which is perpetuated here is completely based on fear of going to prison, established by the DEA, which was established by some dickhead president, who didn't care for the people; only for himself.

Oh and much respect to some of the older members whom have posted the sad pathetic reality of what we supposedly face for mushrooms. Grow some organics. If I ever get busted my excuse is I use psychedelic fungi to talk to god, and I exercise that religious right. Straight up DEA, lick my balls. You can get a DEA license if you're as much as an asshole as I am. I'll fight those fuckheads until I get one.

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: iluvfungi]
    #14018044 - 02/24/11 02:30 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

I say if you give them a quick rundown of how to be safe, make sure they respect the shroom, and tell them what to expect, I don't see any moral dilemma in selling psilocybin. If your customers choose to not listen to your advice and have a freakout or otherwise bad experience then its their own damn fault, and it probably would have happened to them eventually anyhow.

just try and make sure the people who buy them off you are doing it for the right reasons, know what they're getting themselves into, and not thinking its just another way to get "fucked up".


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Quake3]
    #14018493 - 02/24/11 06:35 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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I buy methylone for $5 a hit and sell it for $15/hit. Why? Because that's what people are willing to pay. Is it fucked up? No.





For fucks sake, YES thats fucked up, at least IMO.

To me, a middle man at most should double the price, as is the standard in much legal trade, so $5 --> $10


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