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Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users
    #14017543 - 02/24/11 12:13 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users
February 23, 2011 - Drug War Chronicle

In a new wave of repression aimed at drug users, the government of Thailand has begun rounding up suspected "drug addicts" to be forced into "rehabilitation centers." That has health, human rights, and harm reduction groups expressing grave concerns, especially given previous Thai pogroms against drug users, like that in 2003, when tens of thousands were rounded up and more than 2,000 killed by police in summary executions.

The official announcement from the National News Bureau of Thailand of the government's plans came only last week. "The Ministry of Interior has picked next week to get all drug addicts across Thailand clean," it said, with Deputy Permanent Secretary for Interior Surapong Pongtadsirikul as putting the number of untreated addicts at 30,000.

"During 20-27 February, 2011, drug abusers in Bangkok will be brought to the rehabilitation centers to get clean," the notice continued. "There will be those who are encouraged to receive treatment on their freewill and those who will be forced against their will. A rehabilitation camp will be open for addicts elsewhere in Thailand where a rehab center is scarce."

The announcement also said staff training would be carried out and a location for a "makeshift rehab center for drug addicts" will be selected. Chillingly, it added that "their names will be recorded in the database specifically designed for easy tracking and providing updates on their progress in the future."

The roundup has already begun in Bangkok, according to Karyn Kaplan of the Thai AIDS Treatment Action Group (TTAG).  "Yes, people are being arrested right now," she said. "The police have quotas, they do this every few months, and this is just another excuse to round people up again. Even in our own small network of people who use drugs, people have been arrested, even workers at our harm reduction center."

While the Thai government officially embraces harm reduction principles -- it adopted harm reduction as a national strategy last fall -- it schizophrenically continues its crackdowns on drug users and sends them to "treatment centers" not worthy of the name.

"We don't call them treatment centers, because they aren't run by people who know how to treat people," said Kaplan. "They were originally set up because of prison overcrowding, but even though they have a policy that says drug users are patients, not criminals, they still use the police to sweep the streets and throw people into the system. But then the system says there is no room in prison, send them to the camps. The camps are in military bases and run by the military, and they aren't trained for that. The military is just housing them, and there are beatings and forced labor for no money. There is no due process," she said.

It is as if the Thai government's left hand doesn't know what its right hand is doing, said Kaplan. "The government at least pays lip service to harm reduction, but the Ministry of the Interior is not talking to the Narcotics Control Board, which sponsors the harm reduction policy," she said. "We have gotten unofficial statements from senior officials inside the Public Health Ministry saying they are going to speak with the board and the Interior Ministry about what Thailand might do more effectively."

In the mean time, the roundups continue.

The threat of the mass roundup of suspected drug users has led a coalition of Thai and international health, harm reduction, and human rights organizations to publicly air their fears that it will trample on human rights and could lead to the widespread abuses of drug users seen in other Thai anti-drug campaigns.

"These plans for mass detention and forced treatment raise considerable human rights concerns, especially given Thailand’s history of nationwide punitive and ineffective anti-drug campaigns," they said in an open letter to the Thai government. "There is no way for the government to implement a campaign to forcibly 'treat' tens of thousands of people who use drugs without widespread human rights abuses taking place."

Groups signing on to the letter include the TTAG, the International Harm Reduction Association (IHRA), the International Drug Policy Consortium (IDPC), the International Harm Reduction Program of the Open Society Institute, the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network, and the International Network of People Who Use Drugs (INPUD).

"The mandatory rounding up and detention of people who use illicit drugs for the purpose of enforced treatment is not only a violation of their human rights, it's a violation of common sense -- enforced detention doesn't work," said INPUD's Jude Byrne. "Never has, never will! Communities need to look to the reason people are using drugs. Stop the systemic violence against the poor, minorities, people of different sexual persuasion and the unemployed. Rounding up the most marginalized people in the community will do nothing except provide jobs for the police and the people who run the detention centers. It will also drive INPUD's community underground so they are not able to access harm reduction information or equipment where it is available. The transmission of HIV and Hep C among the injecting drug using community will soar, and that is the real crime, not the use of drugs."

"This crackdown flies in the face of Thailand’s 2002 policy, which states that people who use drugs should be treated as patients, not criminals. There is nothing therapeutic about rounding up thousands of drug users and forcing them into military boot camps that fail to provide appropriate services and support," said Paisan Suwannawong, TTAG executive director and co-founder of the Thai Drug Users' Network.

While the Thai government refers to "drug addicts," its plans appear to include any drug users. Under the current plan, "occasional" users will be detained for one week, "continuous" users for two weeks, and those showing signs of drug dependence for 6 1/2 weeks (45 days).

"There are many reasons to be worried," said IHRA executive director Rick Lines. "Due process guarantees have been thrown out the window. What is the legal basis for mass detention? There are numerous examples of how forced detention in the name of drug dependence 'treatment' can lead to human rights violations and breaches of accepted principles of medical ethics," he continued. "What is more, many who do not need any form of drug dependence treatment will be herded into detention centers. Where is the clinical assessment?" he asked.

The activists also expressed concern about the temporary detention centers that will be set up outside Bangkok. They feared they would be operated not by health workers, but by police or soldiers, they said.

"We are profoundly concerned that these centers may be run by public security forces such as the police or paramilitary civil-defense organizations" said Kaplan. "It is dangerous and extremely disheartening given recent progress made in the country on injecting drug use and HIV. This can only serve to undermine those efforts in the long term. The immediate concern, however, is for the safety and well-being of those targeted."

But the medium term goal is to persuade the Thai government to embrace not merely the rhetoric of harm reduction, but the practice. That is going to take continuing pressure on the government, and the United Nations needs to step up, said Kaplan.

"We need more high-level action to push the government over to harm reduction," she said. "The World Health Organization and the UN Office on Drugs and Crime don't listen to civil society, so we need governments to step up. It is very important and progressive that Thailand is talking harm reduction, but to actually do it, they need a lot of help."

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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: veggie]
    #14017558 - 02/24/11 12:17 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Asian countries are just ridiculous when it comes to drugs, I'm not sure why. What is in their culture that is so against it?

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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: Atlantic Wind]
    #14017603 - 02/24/11 12:28 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Dude, holy fuck

Rounding up people against their own will and putting them into camps?

Does this not sound like any historical event that you can think of?

I always feared one of the governments would try this one day in relation to drug users.

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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: Magick] * 2
    #14017659 - 02/24/11 12:46 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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The official announcement from the National News Bureau of Thailand of the government's plans came only last week. "The Ministry of Interior has picked next week to get all drug addicts across Thailand clean," it said



LOL

"So, when are we cleaning up all the drug addicts?"

"Next week. This week we're getting all the unemployed people jobs. When we're done with that, on to the drug addicts. Then the week after that, we're gonna cure all the diseases."

"Excellent! What about the homosexuals?"

"There are no homosexuals in Thailand. We got rid of them all last Saturday."

"Oh right, of course.. Excellent!"


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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: sorahtak]
    #14017710 - 02/24/11 12:54 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

It's overpopulation. They need a scapegoat. Drug addicts are an easy target for population reduction. This is the same part of the world where random dudes attack preschools. There are just too many people there, so un-empowered group is at risk.


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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
    #14018321 - 02/24/11 05:08 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Sounds similar to when China rounded up all it's opium addicts and *BANG* shot them in the head.

"Hey, we no longer have an opium problem!"

Correct, now you have a homocide problem.


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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: veggie]
    #14018696 - 02/24/11 08:18 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

I'm surprised no one here in the states hasn't proposed a similar pogrom against drug users.

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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14018947 - 02/24/11 09:26 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
I'm surprised no one here in the states hasn't proposed a similar pogrom against drug users.





Don't say this its terrifying and could happen  :undecided: , soccer moms would jump for joy.


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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: Valafar]
    #14019106 - 02/24/11 10:07 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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Valafar said:
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ToiletDuk said:
I'm surprised no one here in the states hasn't proposed a similar pogrom against drug users.





Don't say this its terrifying and could happen  :undecided: , soccer moms would jump for joy.




I forget who, exactly, but one wingnut called for a public beheading of all drug dealers.


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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: Remix]
    #14019164 - 02/24/11 10:21 AM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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Remix said:
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Valafar said:
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ToiletDuk said:
I'm surprised no one here in the states hasn't proposed a similar pogrom against drug users.





Don't say this its terrifying and could happen  :undecided: , soccer moms would jump for joy.




I forget who, exactly, but one wingnut called for a public beheading of all drug dealers.




Yeah I read that too. I'm pretty sure that was last year - it was a senator from somewhere in the middle states I think... crazy fucker..

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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: Uzziel]
    #14019637 - 02/24/11 12:13 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

Individuals in the states own guns. There would probably be as many dead "peace officers" as drug "addicts"


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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: kman980]
    #14019903 - 02/24/11 01:07 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

The argument about Americans being able to defend against invasion based on our firearms count needs to be examined closely.

It refers explicitly to a situation in which a bunch of motherfuckers in one place need to assault, invade, beachhead and then work their way INTO America from the periphery.

This would be difficult for any country in the world for a number of reasons.  Americans having a bunch of guns is DEFINITELY one of those reasons.



The United States Government; its police force and military capability, is *not* an outside invader.  They are omnipresent throughout the U.S., already positioned, already possess knowledge of individual regions down to the tee and are significantly much better armed and armored than the civilian populace.

Relatively no one in the U.S. owns ships or warplanes or heavily armored vehicles, or heavily armed vehicles (mobile artillery or gun platforms).  No one owns armored APCs with or without machinegun turrets, etc.

It wouldn't be a "cakewalk" but it would not be a contest.  If the U.S. government fully cracked down they would have a good chance of accomplishing their task.  Any resistance that would be encountered could be swiftly eliminated except for large concentrations of people like L.A. and N.Y., especially the armed populace there.  They'd probably just bomb and shell those areas if necessary and then rush in on a full assault shooting anything that moved.



The only way to "win" would be to live in a forested, mountainous area (think Appalachia).  You would have to have horses for every person in your party (riding animals and pack animals) and would still be severely at risk of raids and recon forces.  How you'd acquire food, water, and shelter under these circumstances is anyone's guess.


That's the worst case scenario.  I prefer to live a life of peace with peaceful people, all of us armed.  We'll achieve overthrow of the government much more swiftly and with far fewer casualties by simply opting out of the system.  Don't pay taxes, don't obey their laws, and try to not get caught doing anything that you know is "illegal".  Eventually they'll make the laws more and more unjust and people will increasingly see the brutality and injustice of the system and will rebel against it.


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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: Atlantic Wind]
    #14021411 - 02/24/11 05:59 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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das8929 said:
Asian countries are just ridiculous when it comes to drugs, I'm not sure why. What is in their culture that is so against it?





Well, lots and lots of opium/heroin is produced in southeast Asia.

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Re: Thai Government in Massive Campaign to Round Up Drug Users [Re: Valafar]
    #14021840 - 02/24/11 07:03 PM (13 years, 9 days ago)

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Valafar said:
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ToiletDuk said:
I'm surprised no one here in the states hasn't proposed a similar pogrom against drug users.





Don't say this its terrifying and could happen  :undecided: , soccer moms would jump for joy.




It is very terrifying. You couldn't do anything either. You could lock your doors, but they would break them down. You could shoot them, but there would be ten more ready to fatally shoot you. You could run as far and fast as you can, but they would attempt to track you down. What sucks is anyone already in the system here for drug charges would be the first targeted. They could show up at anytime unannounced, and you would be entirely off guard.


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