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Almond Flour
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Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary
#14017498 - 02/24/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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..... but it is contagious and you are most vulnerable as a child. Take notes gentlemen because this is a theory that will be proven someday, and sadly i wont be making millions of dollars, or receiving recognition.
Fact of the matter is we humans develop patterns, and habits (including within our minds). If we are being raised around a person, with ________ mental illness, the thoughts, and actions being thrown at that child (way its raised) will definitely cause a similar framework for the same illness to develop.
Just a moment of inspiration i had. I could go into deeper, but either way its something to think about. Im sure genetics play SOME role in mental illness, and obviously its not always black and white when it comes to the mind, but I think more often than not, the way someone is raised has a profound impact on their consciousness.
Thoughts?
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: Almond Flour]
#14017597 - 02/24/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Herbal said: If we are being raised around a person, with ________ mental illness
So where does that person get it from?
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: Almond Flour] 2
#14017613 - 02/24/11 12:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Take notes gentlemen because this is a theory that will be proven someday, and sadly i wont be making millions of dollars, or receiving recognition.
Well...Considering this theory is not new, and take various different forms, why would YOU receive any recognition?
Are you conducting any significant research in this area? If so..More info would be appreciated.
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My brother has schizophrenia, and I was told I would get it too if I touched drugs. So I just smoke every other day, eat mushrooms every damn season, contemplate finding the bark for a DMT extraction and I'm soon to try mescaline! No complications, while I hear about complications all the time from people with no "genetic loading".
My theory is that problems of the mind, any problem, is workable by the mind itself and caused by it. You sort of slip off into the deep end if you have a bad time, and it's up to you to swim back to shallow waters. The way you think is the real cause of schizophrenia and depression. Very easy experiment: think about fisting your father's dead corpse while crying. You'll feel a little different. Wow, what your thinking about changes what the rest of you is doing! Big surprise. But we don't take it all the way and see that we are doing the exact same thing in our supposedly "clinical" depression.
Even physical illness, I believe is preventable and curable with a good mind.
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: circastes]
#14017831 - 02/24/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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My brother has schizophrenia, and I was told I would get it too if I touched drugs.
Who told you this?
I am extremely skeptical that a Doctor would have said this.
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Just how many of Circastes' posts have you read?
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Im in a large room filled with 8 yr olds. I pull out a $100 bill and scream out loud. EVERYONE IS GETTING $100 TODAY!
......Large rush of pleasure chemicals in the child's brain because of something in environment? or Bipolar disorder?
Thats for the psychiatrist getting the pharmaceutical kickback to decide
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Edited by Almond Flour (02/24/11 06:47 AM)
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: learningtofly]
#14018515 - 02/24/11 06:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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learningtofly said:
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Herbal said: If we are being raised around a person, with ________ mental illness
So where does that person get it from?
Probably from the way they were raised as well....and will continue to spread until whatever factor influencing the child is broken.
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: Almond Flour]
#14018597 - 02/24/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Herbal said: Im in a large room filled with 8 yr olds. I pull out a $100 bill and scream out loud. EVERYONE IS GETTING $100 TODAY!
......Large rush of pleasure chemicals in the child's brain because of something in environment? or Bipolar disorder?
Thats for the psychiatrist getting the pharmaceutical kickback to decide 
Too bad no respectable doctor actually thinks like the scenario you just fantasized aboutQuote:
Herbal said:
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learningtofly said:
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Herbal said: If we are being raised around a person, with ________ mental illness
So where does that person get it from?
Probably from the way they were raised as well....and will continue to spread until whatever factor influencing the child is broken.
Except that the hypothesis posits we get it from other people, so where did the first person get it?
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: learningtofly]
#14018688 - 02/24/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is similar to the death anxiety post...
Perhaps it is the ways in which people deal with death anxiety that influence their sanity.
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: Almond Flour] 2
#14018751 - 02/24/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thoughts?
I've never believed anybody who claims that the nature/nurture debate is settled on one side only.
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: Almond Flour]
#14018833 - 02/24/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Herbal said: ..... but it is contagious and you are most vulnerable as a child. Take notes gentlemen because this is a theory that will be proven someday, and sadly i wont be making millions of dollars, or receiving recognition.
Fact of the matter is we humans develop patterns, and habits (including within our minds). If we are being raised around a person, with ________ mental illness, the thoughts, and actions being thrown at that child (way its raised) will definitely cause a similar framework for the same illness to develop.
Just a moment of inspiration i had. I could go into deeper, but either way its something to think about. Im sure genetics play SOME role in mental illness, and obviously its not always black and white when it comes to the mind, but I think more often than not, the way someone is raised has a profound impact on their consciousness.
Thoughts?
I tend to agree.
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: Almond Flour]
#14019008 - 02/24/11 09:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This idea is nothing new. And I doubt it's this simple.
Genetic twins raised in radically different environments sometimes develop similar mental illnesses.
And genetic twins raised in the same environment sometimes don't.
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I've never believed anybody who claims that the nature/nurture debate is settled on one side only.
I was gonna say that same thing.
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: Diploid]
#14019077 - 02/24/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah that's true. However I believe a lot more mental Illness is due to nurture than nature. Except for that fact that nature is completely nuts.
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: Just how many of Circastes' posts have you read?
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My brother has schizophrenia, and I was told I would get it too if I touched drugs.
Who told you this?
I am extremely skeptical that a Doctor would have said this.
A psychiatrist said it. The exact theory goes that it "will probably happen anyway (schizophrenia)" and that using drugs "will make it more likely to occur earlier rather than later".
Funny because I know I've been through some insane experiences and much of my ideas I've expressed on this particular forum have been crazy, and I admit I was in the 'deep end' like I say back then, but most of it was based on a couple of sublime experiences which I wonder if I've integrated as yet... You could say I got overexcited, but if I described the experiences, you wouldn't blame me. But yeah, none of this 'madness' is schizophrenic madness, it's more like the madness of someone who lives in a mansion alone, studying all day and night by candle flame.
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: circastes] 1
#14020506 - 02/24/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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There must be something the matter with him
because he would not be acting as he does
unless there was
therefore he is acting as he is
because there is something the matter with him
He does not think there is anything the matter with him
because
one of the things that is
the matter with him
is that he does not think that there is anything
the matter with him
therefore
we have to help him realize that,
the fact that he does not think there is anything
the matter with him
is one of the things that is
the matter with him
there is something the matter with him
because he thinks
there must be something the matter with us
for trying to help him to see
that there must be something the matter with him
to think that tere is omething the matter with us
for trying to help him to see that
we are helping him
to see that
we are not persecuting him
by helping him
to see we are not persecuting him
by helping him
to see that
he is refusing to see
that there is something the matter with
him
for not seing there is something the matter
with him
for not being grateful to us
for at least trying to help him
to see that there is something the matter with
him
for not seeing that must be something the
matter with him
for not seeing that there must be something the
matter with him
for not seeing that there is something the
matter with him
for not seeing that there is something the
matter with him
for not being grateful
that we never tried to make him
feel grateful
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: learningtofly]
#14022632 - 02/24/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I believe that it is a combination of environment AND genetics.
My brother and I share certain conditions. Born 14 years apart to the same parents, not raised by the same parent, raised in a totally different way.
Yet some of the intricacies of our (abnormal) psychological makeup are similar. It is interesting.
I think that genetics give you a framework and probabilities, and then life gives you the actual triggers and fillers. If anyone follows what I mean there...
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: CidneyIndole]
#14023187 - 02/24/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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CidneyIndole said: I believe that it is a combination of environment AND genetics.
My brother and I share certain conditions. Born 14 years apart to the same parents, not raised by the same parent, raised in a totally different way.
Yet some of the intricacies of our (abnormal) psychological makeup are similar. It is interesting.
I think that genetics give you a framework and probabilities, and then life gives you the actual triggers and fillers. If anyone follows what I mean there...
Yes i follow you and really enjoy your outlook on it
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Re: Mental Illness is NOT Hereditary [Re: Diploid]
#14023250 - 02/24/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: This idea is nothing new. And I doubt it's this simple.
Genetic twins raised in radically different environments sometimes develop similar mental illnesses.
And genetic twins raised in the same environment sometimes don't.
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I've never believed anybody who claims that the nature/nurture debate is settled on one side only.
I was gonna say that same thing.
i believe it has been proven that it's a combination. you could have genes for a mental illness or cancer, but the environment can be just as much as a factor if they get expressed or not.
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