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OfflineAlmond Flour
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Hurting Yourself?
    #14017445 - 02/23/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why is it illegal to harm yourself. If you pose a threat to yourself or others, you can and probably will be commited. But why on earth would they commit you for wanting to hurt yourself? That seems stupid as hell. The hurting others part makes 100% sense......but whats the deal? Why does that dumb ass rule exist?

(I dont have any intent to harm myself in any way shape or form. Just curious to why people would get into trouble for something that has NOTHING to do with anyone else?)


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #14017480 - 02/24/11 12:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

On the same note, I dont understand why it's illegal to not where your seatbelt. That should be our freedom to not if we desire not to.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14017507 - 02/24/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the government knows whats best for you.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14017525 - 02/24/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think you should have to wear your belt.  What happens when you dont wear your belt and come out your windshield and hit a pedestrian @_@


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14017577 - 02/24/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
On the same note, I dont understand why it's illegal to not wear your seatbelt. That should be our freedom to not if we desire not to.



fixed , and EMS,  :cop: and society in general got tired of people, kids and babies :flying: through out the windows and spillin' their guts and brains on our public streets. :shrug: Baby seat laws are probably bad, too.  :rolleyes:Motorcycle helmet laws, on the other hand...:confused: . . . :peace:


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: vinsue]
    #14017604 - 02/24/11 12:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

it is actually the opposite, they want you to hurt yourself when your ready for it so the bussiness of commiting you doors stay open. There is no monatary gain for peice and self harmony.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14017657 - 02/24/11 12:46 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
On the same note, I dont understand why it's illegal to not where your seatbelt. That should be our freedom to not if we desire not to.




The seatbelt, I do believe, is mostly for insurance purposes. I guess you could put in a no seat-belt, but personal harm during an accident is null and void for coverage thang, though.

In PA you can ride a motorcycle with no helmet after your first year riding.

Not sure why you can't just hurt yourself, though. Kinda dumb.

Probably comes down to us glorifying our own existence.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14017676 - 02/24/11 12:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
On the same note, I dont understand why it's illegal to not where your seatbelt. That should be our freedom to not if we desire not to.



Because if you fly though a windshield other people have to deal with your fucking body when you A. hit something, B. splatter all over the road and that involves cleaning you up and potentially taking you to the hospital. it's a lot cheaper if you just wear a fucking seatbelt; it's not that difficult to "click"


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14017682 - 02/24/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

but it ruffles my shirt!


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: DrMambo]
    #14017693 - 02/24/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

in asian and middle eastern countries it is more of a crime to attempt suicide than commit murder thats true stuff right there...


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14017694 - 02/24/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
On the same note, I dont understand why it's illegal to not where your seatbelt. That should be our freedom to not if we desire not to.



Because if you fly though a windshield other people have to deal with your fucking body when you A. hit something, B. splatter all over the road and that involves cleaning you up and potentially taking you to the hospital. it's a lot cheaper if you just wear a fucking seatbelt; it's not that difficult to "click"




yeah, not only does it ruffle my shirt...it's uncomfortable, and I don't give a fuck sometimes!
If I'm driving from my house up the road to QFC and I get a fuckin ticket for no seatbelt...I'd kill somebody. Realistically I'm not posing a threat to anyone but myself. The type of impact it would take to propel me through the windshield would have to take place on a road where you're going faster than 25mph


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14017709 - 02/24/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

what the fuck is QFC


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14017712 - 02/24/11 12:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Because I'm sure cops would enjoy hearing that story every time they caught someone not wearing a seatbelt.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #14017742 - 02/24/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

queefs from cunts...


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14017751 - 02/24/11 01:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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queefs from cunts...



1. No, I doubt that
2. Seriously? That's all you could come up with?


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14017766 - 02/24/11 01:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

quantum fart controlls LLC.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14017780 - 02/24/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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what the fuck is QFC




oh ya I guess they don't have QFC everywhere. Stands for Quality Food Center. It's a grocery store


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14018591 - 02/24/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ooo, where do they have them?


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14018858 - 02/24/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the fact that Suicide is Illegally and Morally Wrong in every Philosophy/religion/Law has made itself Self-Aware. this world has become a competitive capitalist Rat-race.
the illegality and moral stance on Suicide is programmed into us at birth and through many generations to keep us here so that we continue to CONSUME, OBEY, FETCH, & ROLL OVER on command.
this is the reason that the people that have attempted Suicide were Resuscitated. so that we can continue to CONSUME and benefit those who rule this world with an Iron-Fist.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Sandoz]
    #14018864 - 02/24/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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the government knows whats best for you.




In this case they absolutely do.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14018902 - 02/24/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Sandoz said:
the government knows whats best for you.




In this case they absolutely do.




bull.shit

If you want to hurt or kill yourself who is to say that is wrong? If I want to take my own life that is my choice. My father took his own life instead of the battle against cancer, fuck what the government wants to say about your health, I can take care of myself just fine.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14018919 - 02/24/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh yeah and as mentioned before the seatbelt thing is for insurance purposes. If you get in an accident without a seatbelt you probably will incur more damage to yourself making it much more expensive for whoever you were in an accident with if they were at fault. If you get into a major accident without a seatbelt you are more likely to go through the windshield or even die, rather than just being seriously injured.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14018928 - 02/24/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

all i gotta say is..  if you wanna hurt yourself i dont give a SHIT!!  thats your problem..  and if you wanna kill yourself.. its your life.. go ahead..  you can get away with it just like you get away with doing drugs..  whatever floats your boat man.. :failboat:


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14018987 - 02/24/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you want to hurt or kill yourself who is to say that is wrong? If I want to take my own life that is my choice.




"wrong" and "illegal" are not the same thing, they shouldn't ever be confused.

In my view, laws are there to provide for an orderly society, not to dictate morality.

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My father took his own life instead of the battle against cancer, fuck what the government wants to say about your health, I can take care of myself just fine.




If you don't agree with the law, break it. Sounds like it didn't stop your dad.

The fact is that laws like this enable our social services to step in and help people that really need it.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14019063 - 02/24/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Azure Essence said:
On the same note, I dont understand why it's illegal to not where your seatbelt. That should be our freedom to not if we desire not to.





Maybe because if you fly through a windshield or get kicked out your side window you will be covered in blood. Then the rescue crews or EMT's will have to deal with that shit. If you have a disease then we are more at risk if you blood is everywhere. If you kept your seatbelt on then you would have a chance to be saved by the airbags or the seatbelt itself.

One time I went on a call and some girl was bleeding everywhere. Tons of blood. Tons of glass and sharp car parts everywhere. My best friend went to take off his glove to hold her hand which had blood on it. The chief smack him in the helmet and set put your fucking gloves back on. For that exact reason.

Because they minimize the risk for everybody.

As far as motorcycles and helmets go in pennsyvania? I have no idea why they can ride withtout them. Last cycle accident I was on. well lets just say there was no head left. Only brains. :smile:


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14019083 - 02/24/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Rebirtha said:
If you want to hurt or kill yourself who is to say that is wrong? If I want to take my own life that is my choice.




"wrong" and "illegal" are not the same thing, they shouldn't ever be confused.

In my view, laws are there to provide for an orderly society, not to dictate morality.

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My father took his own life instead of the battle against cancer, fuck what the government wants to say about your health, I can take care of myself just fine.




If you don't agree with the law, break it. Sounds like it didn't stop your dad.

The fact is that laws like this enable our social services to step in and help people that really need it.




How does making suicide illegal help those prone to it? It made his life much much harder on him and my family. He was basically immobile in a bed and could not move. He decided to end his own life but needed help doing that since he was weak. Nurses could only deny him water for a week and load him up with opiates until he passed. He suffered for a week under those conditions rather than just being able to end his life peacefully. How does making suicide illegal help social services?


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14019093 - 02/24/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Because when some dumbass opens their veins unsuccessfully, they aren't just patched up and sent home to try it again, they get attention from the social services that hopefully helps them resolve their issues.

I don't think people actually get prosecuted for suicide much, by the way. Haven't looked into it.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14019096 - 02/24/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

they should make "suicide booths"  like in futurama!  watch this!
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=136575&title=suicide-booth


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14019101 - 02/24/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Because when some dumbass opens their veins unsuccessfully, they aren't just patched up and sent home to try it again, they get attention from the social services that hopefully helps them resolve their issues.

I don't think people actually get prosecuted for suicide much, by the way. Haven't looked into it.




Getting help has nothing to do with being illegal. They can get help without it being illegal. Obviously nobody gets arrested for suicide, but if you read my post my father had to go through a week of horrible suffering and living and mental hell to end his life rather then having the legal ability have a nurse euthanize him.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14019105 - 02/24/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I won't argue with you on that one.

I'm explaining "their" logic.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14019118 - 02/24/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"it's all bullshit and its bad for ya"

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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14019125 - 02/24/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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my father had to go through a week of horrible suffering and living and mental hell to end his life rather then having the legal ability have a nurse euthanize him.




Assisted suicide is a whole nother ballgame to me, that shit should be legal.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Almond Flour] * 3
    #14019135 - 02/24/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

On the one hand, a person with a terminal disease who has nothing to look forward to besides a life of horrible pain should be allowed to kill him/herself. On the other hand, a clinically depressed young person with his whole life ahead of him should be prevented from committing suicide and urged into treatment. That's the way I see it, anyway. And they never prosecute a suicidal person, at least in my experience. They usually will involuntarily commit that person to a mental hospital, though.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14019156 - 02/24/11 10:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

After doing some reading suicide isn't illegal in any state in the US anymore, attempted suicide used to be though, how depressing is that? I'm sure the medical help is good for some people and torture for others. For instance say you truly want to end your life and you take a bullet to  your own head. You don't die, and somebody finds you, calls 911 and you are rushed unconscious to emergency surgery to keep you alive against your will as in many cases.  Then after you are stable you are put into a an involuntary mental program for an indefinite period of time with a large medical bill over your head. Yet you still want to die, and probably more so now that you have no face and are in a mental institute against your will. That is fucked up. If you want help it should be there for you as a resource not as a mandatory government program.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: wow]
    #14019224 - 02/24/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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wow said:
they should make "suicide booths"  like in futurama!  watch this!
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=136575&title=suicide-booth




suicide booths date back farther than futurama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_booth


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Mello Kitty] * 3
    #14020656 - 02/24/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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the fact that Suicide is Illegally and Morally Wrong in every Philosophy/religion/Law



that is not a fact lol


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14020688 - 02/24/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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After doing some reading suicide isn't illegal in any state in the US anymore, attempted suicide used to be though, how depressing is that? I'm sure the medical help is good for some people and torture for others. For instance say you truly want to end your life and you take a bullet to  your own head. You don't die, and somebody finds you, calls 911 and you are rushed unconscious to emergency surgery to keep you alive against your will as in many cases.  Then after you are stable you are put into a an involuntary mental program for an indefinite period of time with a large medical bill over your head. Yet you still want to die, and probably more so now that you have no face and are in a mental institute against your will. That is fucked up. If you want help it should be there for you as a resource not as a mandatory government program.




better get it right the first time  :header:


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #14020693 - 02/24/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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the fact that Suicide is Illegally and Morally Wrong in every Philosophy/religion/Law has made itself Self-Aware. this world has become a competitive capitalist Rat-race.
the illegality and moral stance on Suicide is programmed into us at birth and through many generations to keep us here so that we continue to CONSUME, OBEY, FETCH, & ROLL OVER on command.
this is the reason that the people that have attempted Suicide were Resuscitated. so that we can continue to CONSUME and benefit those who rule this world with an Iron-Fist.




:Trollface:

Ending your own life isn't ethical?

What if I take out a huge life insurance policy on myself to a random stranger in need?

In other news, suicidal emos need to wait till they're in midlife, and marry me prior to killing themselves.


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14020695 - 02/24/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ellenallien said:
the fact that Suicide is Illegally and Morally Wrong in every Philosophy/religion/Law



that is not a fact lol






fun fact:

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Seppuku (切腹?, "stomach-cutting") is a form of Japanese ritual suicide by disembowelment. Seppuku was originally reserved only for samurai. Part of the samurai bushido honor code, seppuku was used voluntarily by samurai to die with honour rather than fall into the hands of their enemies (and likely suffer torture), as a form of capital punishment for samurai who had committed serious offenses, or performed for other reasons that had brought shame to them. The ceremonial disembowelment, which is usually part of a more elaborate ritual and performed in front of spectators, consists of plunging a short blade, traditionally a tantō, into the abdomen and moving the blade from left to right in a slicing motion.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku








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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14020702 - 02/24/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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After doing some reading suicide isn't illegal in any state in the US anymore, attempted suicide used to be though, how depressing is that? I'm sure the medical help is good for some people and torture for others. For instance say you truly want to end your life and you take a bullet to  your own head. You don't die, and somebody finds you, calls 911 and you are rushed unconscious to emergency surgery to keep you alive against your will as in many cases.  Then after you are stable you are put into a an involuntary mental program for an indefinite period of time with a large medical bill over your head. Yet you still want to die, and probably more so now that you have no face and are in a mental institute against your will. That is fucked up. If you want help it should be there for you as a resource not as a mandatory government program.



Attempted suicide can also be a cry for help, which would explain how you'd somehow fuck up at killing yourself

and no, humans aren't exactly the most rational creatures


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Salomon]
    #14020718 - 02/24/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

HAD to be :Trollface:

LOLOLOL I had a professor today argue that piety isn't a dated term falling from common use (and indeed it would be, as it is generally useless/meaningless if you examine it's meaning in respect to the vast variety of religious doctrine) and has taken a less objective meaning representing general virtuous spirituality to most who use it today.

His defense was that Merriam Webster doesn't have it on some dead word list yet.

I counterpointed that Merriam Webster (and apparently he) doesn't know what a troll is.

He proceeded to describe lawn gnomes and those old :trolli: from the 90's and the whole room snickered. This guy's in his 30's too! Fuck web culture moves fast!


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14020723 - 02/24/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:wink: i was backing your point up, dawg. it was meant for ellenallien rly.





cause it's funny when people express any certain morality as universal


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Salomon]
    #14020734 - 02/24/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

HAD to be :Trollface:

LOLOLOL I had a professor today argue that piety isn't a dated term falling from common use (and indeed it would be, as it is generally useless/meaningless if you examine it's meaning in respect to the vast variety of religious doctrine) and has taken a less objective meaning representing general virtuous spirituality to most who use it today.

His defense was that Merriam Webster doesn't have it on some dead word list yet.

I counterpointed that Merriam Webster (and apparently he) doesn't know what a troll is.

He proceeded to describe lawn gnomes and those old trollz toys from the 90's and the whole room snickered. This guy's in his 30's too! Fuck web culture moves fast!


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Salomon]
    #14020752 - 02/24/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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:wink: i was backing your point up, dawg. it was meant for ellenallien rly.





cause it's funny when people express any certain morality as universal



ya thats why i erased it lol my bad

ya its sillyness


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: Salomon]
    #14020753 - 02/24/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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:wink: i was backing your point up, dawg. it was meant for ellenallien rly.





cause it's funny when people express any certain morality as universal




Dude I know, I know.

Morality is a deep and complex philosophical concept though. While I think human morality is definitely relativistic I believe there can be a certain set of general human ethics that do apply universally. Most humans don't like watching other humans suffer, for example.

Ending your own stream of consciousness is just a shame, though.

Just think about all the you'll miss out on!


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Re: Hurting Yourself? [Re: blujay]
    #14021227 - 02/24/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I believe there can be a certain set of general human ethics that do apply universally. Most humans don't like watching other humans suffer, for example.




if it was universal than ALL humans wouldn't like it, not most. Most is not universal.


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