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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14041833 - 02/28/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's hard to shine light through a brick wall.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14041844 - 02/28/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Instead of saying that why don't you say exactly what you meant by your post?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
#14041870 - 02/28/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your preconcieved notions are preventing any optimism from your mind.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14041942 - 02/28/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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How do you know that? Maybe I'm just being realistic based on study and personal experience? Maybe you need to believe everything is going to be ok to relieve your unconscious anxieties even if there is little evidence for your beliefs?
And I posted something very optimistic which you ignored or were unable to comprehend. I said in the larger scheme of things none of this is very important and personally one can find a measure of fun and fulfillment by following their own personal beliefs on what they should be doing.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14041985 - 02/28/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can see through the lens of pessimism as well as that of optimism.
Optimism seems to have more beneficial properties in regards to humanity and humanities will in its entirety.
Pessimism = Can't
Optimism = Can
Which do you think will have a greater effect?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14042004 - 02/28/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you see everything as can't there is an impossibility of change.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14042015 - 02/28/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Two cows are having a discussion and one says
>> Hey, did you know that the lion is the fucking king of all animals ?
the other one replies
>> Really ? hmmm.. how much milk does he produce ?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14042040 - 02/28/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Optimism or pessimism were not what we were discussing but rather what is actually happening with humanity.
Lets stick to the topic.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14042064 - 02/28/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I believe we were right here.
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Icelander said: Just like the stereotype that you presented regarding kids staying with thier parents longer. What is truly wrong with family's living together?
Nothing is wrong with an extended family but you took that out of context of a different discussion. If the family was extended the kids wouldn't leave but stay, living within the household for their whole life and not being a financial burden on the parents. Who do you think you're fooling?
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Regardless if you have any or not, it could just as very well say that people are more compassionate to allow this.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14042076 - 02/28/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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no we were here.
This is the theme spreading like wild fire all across the world. We are all comming to realize that it is up to us to make the change. We don't want to fight, we don't want wars. We only want freedom. Humanity is crying out against the forces that assume to tell us how it is.
It is for us to decide how it is, and how it will be.
No longer will humanity stand idly by and hope for better days. Now is the time for action, a revolution, to unite all of humanity.
As these lines of division begin to blur, and merge into a larger picture, falling into place from its utter dissemination. It will be up to everyone of us to make the changes necessary to become a part of the voice of all humanity.
The voice of humanity is speaking.
Language was once a formidable barrier, this is not so today. We have at our fingertips the ability to comprehend all that is said by all people. Love, peace, freedom, harmony. This is the global consensus. This is what the majority of humanity wants.
The voice of humanity will not be defied by a few men.
We need to start from scratch, as the foundation that exists is built upon corruption, division, hate and lies.
We need to begin with the fuel that powers this corruption, which in itself is corrupt.
Oil.
And btw you never did really explain exactly what those two posts had to do with each other.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14042088 - 02/28/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, that was the cause.
The effect has extended to here.
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Nothing is wrong with an extended family but you took that out of context of a different discussion. If the family was extended the kids wouldn't leave but stay, living within the household for their whole life and not being a financial burden on the parents. Who do you think you're fooling?
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teknix said: Where is your proof of this?
Regardless if you have any or not, it could just as very well say that people are more compassionate to allow this.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14043279 - 02/28/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have we not made great headway from the state of affairs throughout history and improved upon what is acceptable?
Not really. The playing field has become less localized, but overall the morality remains the same IMO. If we can justify killing, torture, or slavery... we will. We use the cheapest labor we can find for example. Not a big step above slavery, and in fact I'm not sure it is a step up at all. Slaves were fed, and food is basically all the wages a factory worker in many sweat-shop countries will be able to afford. Not much freedom really, they just don't have the title of property. But are they really anything but a slave? Do they have a choice I'm missing? I suppose they could always go the way of many African countries and not have any resources we want to buy. That seems to work out well in terms of food.
IMO our morality is the same as ever. We trade with those who benefit us. We use the cheapest manual labor we can find. And we give nothing more than we can spare while maintaining a very comfortable lifestyle. We will never give anything that endangers our well-being away because the world is not a place to be trusted... Keep people down where they aren't a threat. That's the goal that I see. Have you ever watched a Clockwork Orange? That movie embodies a lot of this IMO. There are certain forms of aggression that are socially accepted, and some that aren't. If you take away someone's ability to fight back in whatever way they know how, they're going to get stomped on by any number of cruelties in this world.
One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. It doesn't matter what reason you find to go to war, the fact of the matter is that we always do find a reason. Doesn't that say something to you about our drives?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Kickle]
#14046875 - 03/01/11 03:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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We will always have trouble uniting humanity as long as the southern Baptists exist. I've been raised through that church, my family all goes to a Baptist church. They spread hate on all other religions and refuse to listen to reason.
While we may fight our leaders, the people who refuse to end their hate against people different than them will always hold us down it seems.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Joolz]
#14046992 - 03/01/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"I feel the same. Any religion, group or other that promotes discontent, dislike, hatred and put's down another is only adding to fear-mongers,creating more hate, anger and disruption for those who areο»Ώ striving for a more harmonious co-existence."
Which will be achieved regardless of those rationale.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Joolz]
#14047541 - 03/01/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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While we may fight our leaders, the people who refuse to end their hate against people different than them will always hold us down it seems.
I was raised same. But that mind set is all over the country and I see it among the non religious too. Humanity will remain basically in this state for the next few hundred thousand years at least.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14047682 - 03/01/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is a long time period. What proof do you have to support this claim?
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: ivander]
#14048047 - 03/01/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ivander said: That is a long time period. What proof do you have to support this claim? 
The same proofs teknix has for this claim.
"I feel the same. Any religion, group or other that promotes discontent, dislike, hatred and put's down another is only adding to fear-mongers,creating more hate, anger and disruption for those who areο»Ώ striving for a more harmonious co-existence."
Which will be achieved regardless of those rationale.
According to him proofs are not required for definitive statements in this forum. So now I'm playing by those rules. If you want my proofs I'll have them for you in the philosophy forum.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: Icelander]
#14048062 - 03/01/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mine is stated as an opinion, yours is stated as a fact, big diff.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. [Re: teknix]
#14048175 - 03/01/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I meant mine as opinion. same same
And as a matter of fact in other threads you refused to give proofs stating this is not a debate forum and in the next few posts demanded proof from me. 
This is not a debate forum.
However since you asked and we're on the subject evolution is the evidence and the fact that human nature has not made any dramatic change in our known history. I was being generous imo by saying only a few hundred thousand years. More likely it would take millions.
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Re: We are angry with our leaders. *DELETED* [Re: teknix]
#14048251 - 03/01/11 12:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A lot of this thread is me elaborating on your questions and presenting proof, however when the burden is shifted to you, all I see is you shifting the focus.
Are you referring to the post that you made a snide remark and tried to edit it away after I had already responed? Then once busted put it back?
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Nice edit!
Here is what this comment was in response to btw.
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Icelander said: The inevitability of moral progress is testiment to unity that will be achieved.
Can you please evaluate these statements. How is moral progress "inevitable" and how is something that hasn't happened yet a testament to anything? Along with your other statements of proof, this does not prove anything.
The imperative natural forces have always lead to larger and larger human aggregates leads to an inevitable human unification.
This is so not true imo. When I was a kid everyone in my neighborhood knew and talked to everyone else and that was normal. Now it's almost unheard of. Humans are more divided than ever. Again I will direct you to the political forum and remind you this is the Shroomery.
She tempts humanity, her thinking instrument, and tests how far it is ready for the harmony she has imagined;
There is not now and has never been real evidence that nature is aware and has an intent for harmony. This is pure wishful thinking on your and the authors part. In fact by calling nature a she it's pretty obvious that the intent is to make nature a reflection of the human subjective thought process. It doesn't work that way at all imo.
This is from an article, and I think it is a very good anology in relation to the nature of things as shown through history.
There is an equillibrium that has been heavily offset in recent times.
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