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Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada
    #14013200 - 02/23/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Alright, so it finally happened, no surprise.  So how about, just this once, we as Canadians put down the burger and remote and actually grow a spine and stand up to at least something we care about.  This will be copied on a few boards, so this original message will be the same if you see it there, the following conversation will be different of course.

First my opinions, then quotes and links from the government itself at the bottom.

It seems that the government, judging by their post, wants to get some kind of feedback by the public on the addition of Salvia (the species)  and the refined stuff.  How often do we actually get ANY say in Canada, really?  damn near never.  So lets take this oppourtunity and voice ourselves in a mature, respectful, ego stroking fashion that any gov requires from its minions.

I hope all of us, there must be at least 1000 of us canucks on these boards.....at least....if 500 of use wrote a well thought out, grammatically correct (unlike this illiterate post), polite but to the point letter addressing real concerns, real alternatives and reasons why this plant should not banned, i bet someone will listen, at least a little.

No one else is going to care, its basically these "types of communities" that seem to care about plant freedoms.  If we don't stand up, it really shows we really dont mind being jailed for growing and using plants.


When we write letters let's try not to get heated, as easy as it may be, and really try not to get off topic ranting about how we pay so much taxes or how we should have this freedom as our god given right.  once that happens i big red mute sign flashes across the screen and we just wasted our ink and paper.

whats happening?  Salvia may be added to Schedule 3.  This means possible jail terms, i think i read the most is 10 years for Sched. 3.  And fines.  Destruction of all related items to that substance (which could mean your garden plants).


The tone in their write up is that they are afraid of youths doing salvia and hallucinating.  They don't mention any health concerns (and why would they, they are only Health Canada), but they make it VERY clear that the issue is with the hallucinations and psychotropic effects associated with the plant, and also youths.  That's the only way Canada can pass weird laws is through the children.  So thats where we seem to need to aim our fight is with non psychotropic uses and as much as it makes my balls ache to say it, mayeb fighting for a minors ban like a alcohol type scenario. 

If you make the alcohol/tobacco argument, which they probabyl hear every minute with weed activists, at elast make them educated.  Get some stats from stast canada or somethign official and show them some real proof and science with their own publications and use their own information against them to really make them look hypocritical, but without saying that.  Alcohol and tobacco wont ever be banned, so i feel they are good "drugs" to abuse the hell out of when attacking the government cause they can be demonized as much as you want, but they make too much $ in taxes to and them. 


I suggest write the people linked to on their site, and also your local MP.  And always follow up, or they will for sure not have even considered your letter.  Email back if you don't get a response and ask them for their opinions/thoughts.

A Canadian will generally only pursue something for a short distance and quickly give up....and they know that.  Let's not give them that satisfaction this time, eh?





The original write up found here: http://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2011/2011-02-19/html/notice-avis-eng.html
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DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

CONTROLLED DRUGS AND SUBSTANCES ACT

Notice to interested parties — Proposal regarding the addition of Salvia divinorum and salvinorin A to Schedule III to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act

This notice provides interested stakeholders with the opportunity to provide comments on Health Canada’s proposal to add the plant Salvia divinorum (S. divinorum) and its main active ingredient salvinorin A to Schedule III to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA). Stakeholders may also identify themselves for inclusion in any future consultation.

The plant S. divinorum is a species of sage belonging to the mint family. Its leaves are generally chewed or smoked to obtain psychotropic effects. While uncertainty remains surrounding the health risks of S. divinorum, known effects are reported to be short-acting in nature and include hallucinations, dysphoria, out-of-body experiences, unconsciousness and short-term memory loss. The effects, which vary from person to person, are also often described as unpleasant. Neither S. divinorum nor salvinorin A are currently included in any of the schedules to the CDSA.

Recently there have been reports suggesting that Canadian teens and young adults are using S. divinorum for its ability to produce hallucinations. S. divinorum is widely touted as a “legal” hallucinogen on the Internet, and has also been reported to be one of the most prevalent herbal products used as an alternative to illicit drugs. (see footnote 1) Results from the Canadian Alcohol and Drug Use Monitoring Survey (CADUMS) reveal that, in 2009, 1.6% of Canadians aged 15 years and older reported having used S. divinorum at least once in their lifetime, with a much higher rate of use (7.3%) in youth aged 15–24 years. The results from the Canadian 2008–2009 Youth Smoking Survey also show that 5% of 15-year-olds have used S. divinorum in the past year. Moreover, the 2009 Ontario Student Drug Use and Health Survey (OSDUHS) indicated that 5.4% of Ontario students in grades 7–12 reported ever using S. divinorum and 4.4% of these students reported using this substance in the past year. Because its psychoactive effects resemble those of other substances included in Schedule III to the CDSA such as lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) and psilocybin, Health Canada is concerned that the ready availability and use of S. divinorum poses a risk to the health and safety of Canadians, particularly youth.

While S. divinorum and salvinorin A are not currently included in any of the United Nations drug control conventions, a number of countries have chosen to regulate one or both as controlled substances. Australia, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Spain and Sweden have all placed controls on the import and/or sale of S. divinorum and/or salvinorin A. Some American states have also implemented laws restricting their use, sale and/or distribution.

Including these substances within Schedule III to the CDSA would prohibit possession, trafficking, possession for the purpose of trafficking, importation, exportation, possession for the purpose of exportation, and production (or cultivation). The scheduling of S. divinorum and salvinorin A under the CDSA will also enable law enforcement agencies to take action against suspected illegal activities involving these substances.

As this action is not intended to interfere with the use and availability of S. divinorum and/or salvinorin A for legitimate medical, scientific or industrial purposes, Health Canada is seeking information from stakeholders on whether there are any such uses in Canada. Information received in response to this notice will be instrumental in determining appropriate regulation under the CDSA.

The publication of this notice begins a 30-day comment period. There will be additional opportunities to provide comments as the federal regulatory process progresses.

If you are interested in this process or have comments on this proposal, please contact Stephanie Chandler, Regulatory Policy Division, Office of Controlled Substances, Address Locator: 3503D, 123 Slater Street, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1A 1B9, by fax at 613-946-4224 or by email at OCS.Policy.and.Regulatory.Affairs@hc-sc.gc.ca.

February 4, 2011

CATHY A. SABISTON
Director General
Controlled Substances and
Tobacco Directorate

[8-1-o]









Here is Sched. 3 right now  http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/C-38.8/20110223/page-4.html?rp2=HOME&rp3=SI&rp4=all&rp5=CONTROLLED%20DRUGS%20AND%20SUBSTANCES%20ACT&rp9=cs&rp10=L&rp13=50
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SCHEDULE III

(Sections 2 to 7, 29, 55 and 60)
1.
Amphetamines, their salts, derivatives, isomers and analogues and salts of derivatives, isomers and analogues including:
(1)
amphetamine (α–methylbenzeneethanamine)
(2)
[Repealed, SOR/2005–235, s. 2]
(3)
N–ethylamphetamine (N–ethyl–α–methylbenzeneethanamine)
(4)
4–methyl–2,5–dimethoxyamphetamine (STP) (2,5–dimethoxy–4,α–dimethylbenzeneethanamine)
(5)
3,4–methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) (α–methyl–1,3–benzodioxole–5–ethanamine)
(6)
2,5–dimethoxyamphetamine (2,5–dimethoxy–α–methylbenzeneethanamine)
(7)
4–methoxyamphetamine (4–methoxy–α–methylbenzeneethanamine)
(8)
2,4,5–trimethoxyamphetamine (2,4,5–trimethoxy–α–methylbenzeneethanamine)
(9)
N–methyl–3,4–methylenedioxyamphetamine (N,α–dimethyl–1,3–benzodioxole–5–ethanamine)
(10)
4–ethoxy–2,5–dimethoxyamphetamine (4–ethoxy–2,5–dimethoxy–α–methylbenzeneethanamine)
(11)
5–methoxy–3,4–methylenedioxyamphetamine (7–methoxy–α–methyl–1,3–benzodioxole–5–ethanamine)
(12)
N,N–dimethyl–3,4–methylenedioxyamphetamine (N,N, α–trimethyl–1,3–benzodioxole–5–ethanamine)
(13)
N–ethyl–3,4–methylenedioxyamphetamine (N–ethyl–α–methyl–1,3


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: kadakuda]
    #14013224 - 02/23/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am terrible at writing well thought out letters - any guidelines?


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14013473 - 02/23/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

read any one of my posts and you will see im probably the last person to ask lol.  but spell things right, sound mature and have facts to back up any claim you have. 

Like in business, sound like more than you are...


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: kadakuda]
    #14013700 - 02/23/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

now you know how americans feel, kada.

i've personally written letters to our represantives on the marijuana issue.

i got in the mail a letter that read, Thank you for your concerns. They will come up at our next something or other of the gathering of texas congress.

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

i basically gave up up the whole medical marijuana bill proposed in Texas.


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: ferrel_human]
    #14016330 - 02/23/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Here in California salvia is prohibited to anyone under 18 years old.  Seems like a reasonable fix for the "save the children campaign."


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: demon66]
    #14016942 - 02/23/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If they don't like 18 than make it 21.


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: 1upshroom]
    #14018441 - 02/24/11 06:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ferrell bro,i hear ya.  but the difference with salvia is its legal now and going to be made illegal.  its easier to prevent something than fix it later...like with weeds its already illegal and its going to be a billion times harder to make an illegal drug legal than prevent a legal plant form becoming illegal.


but giving up is exactly what they expect from us and they know damn well that if they just sit pretty and dont say anything, we go away and they get their way in the end.  with the amount of weed users and that are pro legalization, all it owuld take is for all of them to stand up and shout until it changed, and it would be done within a week, but we as a speccies are lazy and unorganized...but we can overturn anything we want in great enough numbers, we choose not to though for whatever ridiculous reason we care to make up in teh moment.


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: kadakuda]
    #14018634 - 02/24/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What I'm wondering here is what our time frame looks like.

It would probably be easier to pull for regulation, as HC's primary concern seems to (as usual) be the youth. We could use California as an example in this approach.

Citing studies in a well-thought-out letter is probably a good idea, given that they seem to want input from scientific communities. There is a thread on DMT-Nexus right now (which I'm sure a few members here are already familiar with) discussing this very thing.

Link: https://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=219928


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: Hemlock]
    #14018880 - 02/24/11 09:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Scheduling a safe, non-addictive garden herb with potential medical uses? Jeez, this sounds familiar...


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: Jabbawaya]
    #14019975 - 02/24/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

my long winded letter is finally off.  good luck to you guys and yours!


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: kadakuda]
    #14020875 - 02/24/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

when is this decided? jeez im glad i got mine already


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: bort]
    #14022969 - 02/24/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

hopefully never...if we all express our concern in a mature way it hopefully never will be scheduled.


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: kadakuda]
    #14024264 - 02/25/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

To: OCS.Policy.and.Regulatory.Affairs@hc-sc.gc.ca

dear reader.

i have learned that salvia may be soon regulated. i cant believe Canada is thinking about this, its already a Natural Health Product, that's good enough, don't make salvia illegal that's foolish. shamans using this magical plant for centuries and soon as us, north americans, get ahold of these plants, they become prohibited.

please, don't make salvia illegal. it doesn't hurt the body or the mind. just keep it as a NHP or put age limit on it. DONT make it illegal for canadians, PLEASE!!

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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: bort]
    #14024594 - 02/25/11 09:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh fuck...

Really?

What the fuck is wrong with Canada? What's next? Making nutmeg illegal? Making hammers and knives illegal because they could be used to kill people? Make bananas illegal because someone could step on a banana peel and fall and get injured?

This really pisses me off... it's just plan stupid. I'm sorry if I rant here, but I need to do it, and would much rather do it here than in the letter I'll send to my MP.

I can't help feeling this wonderful country is doomed to become the same as the US. Nothing against Americans, this is just politics/economics and the douchebags who rule the country we live in.

These morons aren't concerned about health, all they care about is keeping people away from anything that could potentially open people's minds and spirits. All they want is herds of zombies willing to follow as ordered, without the ability of thinking for themselves and deciding what's best for their own interest.

Here, we all know that Salvia is not a dangerous plant. What's dangerous is ignorance and stupidity, and the only way to change that is through EDUCATION, NOT PROHIBITION.


Please, to all Canadians posting in this forum, stand up for what you believe in and do something about it. You don't even have to leave home to send an email to these people, all it takes is writing a polite message that shows that what they're trying to do is WRONG and what they're worried about can and MUST be addressed and approached in a different way.

I'm sad now, and frustrated.


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: Loncho]
    #14024615 - 02/25/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Loncho said:
Oh fuck...

Really?

What the fuck is wrong with Canada? What's next? Making nutmeg illegal? Making hammers and knives illegal because they could be used to kill people? Make bananas illegal because someone could step on a banana peel and fall and get injured?

This really pisses me off... it's just plan stupid. I'm sorry if I rant here, but I need to do it, and would much rather do it here than in the letter I'll send to my MP.

I can't help feeling this wonderful country is doomed to become the same as the US. Nothing against Americans, this is just politics/economics and the douchebags who rule the country we live in.

These morons aren't concerned about health, all they care about is keeping people away from anything that could potentially open people's minds and spirits. All they want is herds of zombies willing to follow as ordered, without the ability of thinking for themselves and deciding what's best for their own interest.

Here, we all know that Salvia is not a dangerous plant. What's dangerous is ignorance and stupidity, and the only way to change that is through EDUCATION, NOT PROHIBITION.


Please, to all Canadians posting in this forum, stand up for what you believe in and do something about it. You don't even have to leave home to send an email to these people, all it takes is writing a polite message that shows that what they're trying to do is WRONG and what they're worried about can and MUST be addressed and approached in a different way.

I'm sad now, and frustrated.


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Quote:

Loncho said:
Oh fuck...

Really?

What the fuck is wrong with Canada? What's next? Making nutmeg illegal? Making hammers and knives illegal because they could be used to kill people? Make bananas illegal because someone could step on a banana peel and fall and get injured?

This really pisses me off... it's just plan stupid. I'm sorry if I rant here, but I need to do it, and would much rather do it here than in the letter I'll send to my MP.

I can't help feeling this wonderful country is doomed to become the same as the US. Nothing against Americans, this is just politics/economics and the douchebags who rule the country we live in.

These morons aren't concerned about health, all they care about is keeping people away from anything that could potentially open people's minds and spirits. All they want is herds of zombies willing to follow as ordered, without the ability of thinking for themselves and deciding what's best for their own interest.

Here, we all know that Salvia is not a dangerous plant. What's dangerous is ignorance and stupidity, and the only way to change that is through EDUCATION, NOT PROHIBITION.


Please, to all Canadians posting in this forum, stand up for what you believe in and do something about it. You don't even have to leave home to send an email to these people, all it takes is writing a polite message that shows that what they're trying to do is WRONG and what they're worried about can and MUST be addressed and approached in a different way.

I'm sad now, and frustrated.


Love and Peace.





Yeah we have a lot of canadians on this board.
Step up and send a letter. You don't even need to pay for postage. Its free to your representative @ the house of commons.


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14027558 - 02/25/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Loncho, i hear ya bro.  I feel canada is so damn overprotective and tehy try to push safety adn the "good of the poeple" so hard, it is actually harming the people.


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: kadakuda]
    #14034865 - 02/27/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

SIGN!

Salvia Divinorum: Support legal use by adults: 108 Signatures
http://www.gopetition.com/petition/43191.html


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: bort]
    #14037562 - 02/27/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I heard that in the US the DEA is only supposed to schedule drugs that have a reasonable body of evidence to support the belief said plant/chem is a dangerous drug.  Primarily this means a large number of hospital visits/police encounters with mentions of the drug as a factor.  Of course all of that could be bullshitted.


...so does the canadian gov have any records of salvia mentions in hospital/Emergency Room/Police encounters to support a ban.


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: demon66]
    #14040126 - 02/28/11 02:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

should I sign it even though I'm a American not Canadian.


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Re: Salvia is being considered to be added to Shed. 3 in Canada [Re: LC89]
    #14041393 - 02/28/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i like salvia and thats from mexico :shrug:
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