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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: knarkkorven]
    #23662547 - 09/20/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

As i said before, I know where to find the bad ones and where to find the good ones. The bad ones consistently f people up to the point where lifting a gallon of milk to take a drink is near impossible, even after the high wears off. Give that same person Shrooms from the "safe locations" and it's all gravy. Same person, same setting, consistent results. Every time. And that's with non-heroic doses like 2 grams.

The "safe locations" I have found do not seem to be any different from each other aside from the locations proximity to public places that are sprayed with nasty chemicals.

When I go out this year I'll take some more habitat pics. There are a few in my sig. Those caused paralysis. They were found in dune grass close to a forest with many amanitas. However, so were the safe Azures. We are seeing the same paralysis reports from cyans growing in wood chips with totally different flora so I don't really think in this case, it's due to the natural habitat they are growing in. So far, my bet is on human interference. :syringe:


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: Forager]
    #23801762 - 11/04/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Forager said:
Why oh why can we all not have our own spectrophotometer and other chemistry lab equipment for analyzing content in these cases... perhaps we shall never know.  Either way, a paralytic trip is undoubtedly as educational as a non-paralytic one, perhaps moreso... the mushrooms are the teachers.  I don't doubt their methods.




I don't think an IR spectophotometer is really necessary, I think good thin layer chromatography (TLC) skills can sufficiently separate psilocybin, baeocystin and psilocin Rf values from simple methanol extracts of the mushrooms. A simple solvent system such as 100 parts (v/v) methanol + 1.5 parts strong (25%) ammonia combined with modified Ehrlich's reagent (1g 4-dimethylaminobenzaldehyde, 15ml methanol, 5ml phosphoric acid) does the job well according to Gartz 2015 (DOI: 10.1002/dta.1795). This solvent system gives the Rf for psilocybin: 0.10 ; Rf baeocystin: 0.05 and Rf psilocin: 0.39 .

A second common solvent system can be tried for confirmation of the obtained results, using 2 parts (v/v) n-butanol + 1 part glacial acetic acid + 1 part water. Here the separation is even sharper, it gives the Rf for psilocybin: 0.28 ; Rf baeocystin: 0.36 and Rf psilocin: 0.51 .

TLC silica or alumina plates are very affordable, and can even be made at home. Remember that in the first part of the 20th century, a period peaking in chemical research development, this was pretty much the most common analytical method used.

Sure if you have a lot of money and access to large amounts of ultra-pure solvents or gases , they idea of injecting a sample into a HPLC or GC seems comfy. Or IR spectophotometry may seem a bit more affordable even including the required KBr disk presses to prepare the samples. But that is because many people have become lazy and do not want to put in too much effort.

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I've added a screenshot from the cited paper:


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: djbabyjesus]
    #23802274 - 11/05/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

During the onset of relatively high cube dose, (let's say more than 5g)
i'm completely paralyzed (happening progressively ofc), can't stand up, forced to stay on the ground,
even unable to roll a cigarette, and i can't speak either (it's the last thing i'm able to do usually before complete ragdollness :wink: )

and it stays like that until the effect go down.

Doesn't happen every time with the same force, but still it's very incapacitating.

Not sure what i could add..

Btw i'm probably very sensitive to that specific effect, more than most people it seems, i have no explanation as why, not even the beginning of an idea;

Never happened to me with semileanceata, but maybe i never took a sufficient dose of those.


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