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djbabyjesus


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: djbabyjesus]
#23656192 - 09/18/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also I may have proof of this fact. Some one asked me to post this before but I got sidetracked until now...
The Azures/Cyans from the Public Parks cause gnarly paralysis. Some people are more or less susceptible to this and the ground can vary in the degree of saturation from herbicides, fungicides, etc... That said, I know of a few spots with azures you can eat heroic doses of, day after day with out any paralysis. This has been confirmed by myself as well as a number of other people who eat these things regularly.
In my experience, the safe to eat Shrooms come from areas where there is no human interference. So far, I haven't found anyone who cultivates azures in a private location that is having problems with paralysis. I don't know everything or everyone so please, if there is anyone who has thier own patch that could chime in that would be most helpful.
here are pictures from the two locations: The first pics are the Azures that do not cause paralysis EVER.

These, picked a few days later in a public place that has been sprayed are the worst. A couple grams is all it takes to drop a large person. They make your face numb, cause difficulty swallowing and of course, cause horrible muscle weakness, pain and paralysis lasting for days.
Notice they are quite different looking in comparison
Edited by djbabyjesus (05/28/22 01:10 PM)
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djbabyjesus


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: djbabyjesus]
#23656231 - 09/18/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I noticed a difference in varieties but never separated my finds until last year. The Azures from the first set of pics are thiner with smaller sometimes wavy caps. Even when the get big they stay skinny. The only thick ones with large caps always stay short.
The Azures from the later set of pics look like they are on steroids. They are very thick in comparison. The caps are perfect, rarely wavy and the caps get huge as well as the stem. They look amazing buy I assure you, eating these would be(was) a mistake. They are defiantly poisonous. Muscle weakness/failure lasting a week or more. There is clearly something up with theses that is not normal.
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: djbabyjesus]
#23656977 - 09/18/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's good that you brought this information public. Pesticides? Herbicides? Maybe fungicides? That's heavy
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: Mr shroomer]
#23657192 - 09/18/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well heck - the one time I had problems with Ps. cyans was picking from a public park, and I tossed the strain after that. But I have a spore print in storage, so growing them out would not produce problems. Good to know, 5 shrooms to you.
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djbabyjesus


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23657356 - 09/18/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks! I look forward to hearing how that turns out. I'm out of the NW right now but hopefully I'll get back in time to collect some spore prints from the different locations that I can share.
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: djbabyjesus]
#23657373 - 09/18/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had paralysis from wild shrooms on two different occasions from two different locations both wild and untouched.
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djbabyjesus


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: Mr shroomer]
#23657388 - 09/18/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heavy indeed. Hunting in out of the way places has yielded the best Azures
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djbabyjesus


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: pineninja]
#23657389 - 09/18/16 11:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tells us more. What do you mean untouched?
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: djbabyjesus]
#23657391 - 09/18/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heavy doses both more than 6g dry both times the next day. By untouched I mean bushland not impacted by humans either spraying or cultivating.
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djbabyjesus


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: pineninja]
#23657404 - 09/18/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The next day? Typically the paralysis sets in during the trip. more information about your experience would be helpful
Edited by djbabyjesus (09/18/16 11:48 PM)
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pineninja
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: djbabyjesus]
#23657416 - 09/18/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anecdotally not necessarily I have been incapable of movement during many trips but I don't think paralysis would be the right definition. On both occasions during the following few days my hands in particular my thumbs and forefingers would not work no matter the effort I couldn't grip or grab anything.... was rather distressing to say the least. After a few days all symptoms stopped.
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: pineninja]
#23657419 - 09/18/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Subs btw.
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djbabyjesus


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: pineninja]
#23657454 - 09/19/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting. All of the real people I know (as in, verified humans, not anonymous internet bloggers) experience the symptoms during the trip, lasting anywhere from a few hours to a few days. There is no question about the paralytic effects. It's not the same as taking so many shrooms you can't move(cubes can totally do this).
The grip thing is something I have experienced many times (so annoying). Keys, car doors and knives become my foe for days afterwards. Have you ever gotten a hold of Azures/cyans grown by someone that could guarantee the integrity of what your ingesting? This bushland, you mean dunes? A little habitat info would be sweet. I currently have two confirmed safe spots for picking. No paralysis, just fun, even in the 5 gram range.
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djbabyjesus


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: pineninja]
#23657462 - 09/19/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Subs? You must be from down south, yes? I looked through a few of your pics and noticed a number of them were growing out of pine needles which can be poisonous. Maybe there is more than one way the shrooms are becoming toxic? Multiple toxins could explain the different experiences. Some of the most toxic azures I've had were totally close to pine trees. The safe ones were far from any pine needles and humans.
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: djbabyjesus] 2
#23657485 - 09/19/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Not dunes and tbh obviously nothing I say is going to hold water because I'm a random dude on the net who was clearly just trying to impress people.
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djbabyjesus


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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: pineninja]
#23657501 - 09/19/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't mean it like that... I value your info dude. i was just pointing out that trolls exist, and I'll trust real life experiences before words on the internet. There's no reason to recoil, I'd love to hear about your experiences.
Edited by djbabyjesus (09/19/16 12:47 AM)
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: pineninja]
#23658620 - 09/19/16 12:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
pineninja said: Subs btw.
Heard this kind of thing often about subs...
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: djbabyjesus]
#23661477 - 09/20/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is pure bullshit, there is nothing toxic in psychoactive mushrooms (in 99.9% of cases) that produce that kind of paralysis. (i'm talking only about psilocybe here)
As i said earlier in the thread, (and i'm certainly not the only one) it happens with cubes too, and i never ate wild ones a single time, toxic compound could not be an issue.
IMO, it's person dependent, and very probably set and setting dependent as well. It could also be from a lesser psychoactive/chemical produced by the mushroom in some strains ?
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: Chk]
#23661869 - 09/20/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think those you who have these experiences need to document the habitat a bit more. What trees and bushes are growing on the spots that have the paralytic mushrooms? Is there any difference compared to mushrooms from places with no bad effects? Could there be any plants in the genus Rhododendron (containing grayanotoxins) nearby perhaps?
The second step is to grow the paralytic mushrooms to see if the effects are caused by genes or subtrate. And if it is the substrate, grow the mushrooms on mulch/wood from the park and compare with mulch/wood from a forest.
But like I stated before, I think this is more an effect of overstimulated peripheral serotonergic receptors, since paralytic effects are reported from a lot of species and places.
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Re: Explanation/Analysis of Paralytic P. azurescens Trips [Re: Chk]
#23662232 - 09/20/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Chk said: This is pure bullshit, there is nothing toxic in psychoactive mushrooms (in 99.9% of cases) that produce that kind of paralysis. (i'm talking only about psilocybe here)
As i said earlier in the thread, (and i'm certainly not the only one) it happens with cubes too, and i never ate wild ones a single time, toxic compound could not be an issue.
IMO, it's person dependent, and very probably set and setting dependent as well. It could also be from a lesser psychoactive/chemical produced by the mushroom in some strains ?
Can you describe your experience with cubes and paralysis? Any information you can provide would be super helpful.
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