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Walker-ing over a cliff
    #14012458 - 02/23/11 09:10 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Things haven't been looking so well for Walker's union-busting crusade, what with the governors in Indiana and Florida refusing to join in The Wave; Walker overplaying his hand by refusing to accept the union's complete capitulation to his own proposed benefit cuts and copay increases, revealing that union-busting is the be-all and end-all of his radical and ideological agenda; and let's not forget the polls showing massive public support for the public workers' union.



(Funny, I remember reading so many posts about how these protesters represent only a teeny tiny minority and should shut the fuck up. I guess now those people will either attempt to rationalize this -- don't bother; every poll agrees, the public supports the unions -- or disappear.)

But now Walker has really given us the lowlight of his short career, which I suspect will end in a recall election early next year. The Buffalo Beast called him up pretending to be David Koch, led him into confessing some most unseemly thoughts, and caught it all on tape.

Oh wow.

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Koch: We’ll back you any way we can. What we were thinking about the crowd was, uh, was planting some troublemakers.


Walker: You know, well, the only problem with that —because we thought about that. The problem—the, my only gut reaction to that is right now the lawmakers I’ve talked to have just completely had it with them, the public is not really fond of this...




Hmm. I believe the correct answer would have been "no, that would be a profoundly dishonest abuse of power, impeachable if found out, and has no place in American politics." As opposed to "we thought about that".

Furthermore, you'd think his reaction to a call from 'Koch' would have been "I have no contact with that leftist bogeyman, this is an obvious fraud!" Weird how that didn't happen.

He wanted to be the next Reagan, but he's looking a lot more like the new Nixon.

:rofl2::facepalm::rofldrunk::whatever::rofl::lol:

(On the plus side, maybe he'll get a date with Mika Brzezinski now that she knows he considers her a 'real piece of ass' :smile2:)



***Edit: Buffalobeast keeps crashing so here's Slate's excerpts:

http://www.slate.com/BLOGS/blogs/weigel/archive/2011/02/23/did-scott-walker-reveal-his-crisis-ending-ruse-to-a-prank-caller.aspx

Edited by jimbotron (02/23/11 09:38 AM)

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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: jimbotron]
    #14012560 - 02/23/11 09:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

BTW, compare and contrast this with the ACORN 'sting'. No ludicrous stories, no splicing, and Walker does all the talking.

I'm sure this will be all over Fox News. Right?

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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: jimbotron]
    #14012581 - 02/23/11 09:40 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This is great, too:

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An interesting idea that was brought up to me by my chief of staff, we won't do it until tomorrow, is putting out an appeal to the Democratic leader. I would be willing to sit down and talk to him, the assembly Democrat leader, plus the other two Republican leaders—talk, not negotiate and listen to what they have to say if they will in turn—but I’ll only do it if all 14 of them will come back and sit down in the state assembly. They can recess it... the reason for that, we're verifying it this afternoon, legally, we believe, once they’ve gone into session, they don’t physically have to be there. If they’re actually in session for that day, and they take a recess, the 19 Senate Republicans could then go into action and they’d have quorum because it's turned out that way. So we’re double checking that.




DEMOCRACY, BITCHES!

I guess Plan B is to send in CIA kidnappers with chloroform-soaked rags and eventually hogtie them all in the middle of the chamber, and Plan C is some Rube Goldberg contraption involving a check signed by George Soros and a giant north-facing catapult.

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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: jimbotron]
    #14012670 - 02/23/11 10:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What's sad is that Jon Stewart has moved so far to the right since his "liberals just need to give up" rally, I doubt he'll give this story the coverage it so richly deserves.

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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: jimbotron]
    #14012698 - 02/23/11 10:06 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

These New-Age conservatives really scare me. Of course, I'm not too fond of the far-left either. When, O when are we gonna get some moderates with some sense in power?

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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: jimbotron]
    #14013130 - 02/23/11 11:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

There was nothing ludicrous or false about the ACORN sting, nor the Planned Parenthood sting.  Nor is there anything that is problematic for Walker in this call.

Do you think it is democratic for these politicians to abdicate their responsibility and flee the state thus thwarting the ability of the duly elected legislature to pass bills?  Because that would be a pretty stupid position to take.


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14013605 - 02/23/11 01:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Absolutely. It's as democratic as the constant filibuster in the last senate. The fact of the matter is that democracy is built upon compromise. These workers have expressed willingness to capitulate to everything but the issue of collective bargaining, the issue of union rights. The fact that Walker is so adamant about stripping workers' rights, along with the fact that he held a 20 minute phone conversation with a man that he believed to be David Koch about details of his anti-union efforts shows the true nature of this bill.

Honestly I don't know why you're standing up for this schmuck. Unions are organizations of workers. They are not sucking off society's teat. All they are fighting for is the right to keep their only form of empowerment against exploitation, and Walker knows this. This is the disenfranchisement of working class people for the profit of the wealthy, the exact same kind of class warfare that has been happening for longer than I've been alive.

People's Rights :peace:


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14013971 - 02/23/11 02:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Absolutely. It's as democratic as the constant filibuster in the last senate. The fact of the matter is that democracy is built upon compromise. These workers have expressed willingness to capitulate to everything but the issue of collective bargaining, the issue of union rights. The fact that Walker is so adamant about stripping workers' rights, along with the fact that he held a 20 minute phone conversation with a man that he believed to be David Koch about details of his anti-union efforts shows the true nature of this bill.




The true nature of the bill is spelled out in the bill.  Duh.  And the fact that he didn't know the lying little fuck actually wasn't Koch actually goes to prove he doesn't know them.:facepalm:
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Honestly I don't know why you're standing up for this schmuck. Unions are organizations of workers. They are not sucking off society's teat. All they are fighting for is the right to keep their only form of empowerment against exploitation, and Walker knows this. This is the disenfranchisement of working class people for the profit of the wealthy, the exact same kind of class warfare that has been happening for longer than I've been alive.

People's Rights :peace:




I despise unions.  Always have.  These are not "working class people" as much as they are pampered snots who think they are a protected class.  I've known union workers.  They are the laziest most useless and entitled fucks you would ever meet.  Don't forget that the people who are being forced to pay these bloated salaries are workers too.  For decades the unions have installed politicians supposedly on the opposite side of the negotiating table who are supposed to represent all taxpayers but who are completely bough and paid for by public unions. 

When the people on both sides of the negotiating table are beholden to one side of the table who do you think gets screwed?


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14014008 - 02/23/11 02:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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The true nature of the bill is spelled out in the bill.  Duh.  And the fact that he didn't know the lying little fuck actually wasn't Koch actually goes to prove he doesn't know them.:facepalm:




Walker called him "David" in a familiar manner when he introduced himself. And if he doesn't know Koch then why did he talk to him about direct details for such a long time?


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14014020 - 02/23/11 02:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Because he doesn't expect to be lied to by scummy little punks?  Did you want him to call him Mr. Koch?


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14014077 - 02/23/11 02:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

there are real constitutional issues with  government employee unions since they are paid with tax payer funds and the unions leaders take the union dues (tax payer money) and give them to the politicians they choose which are usually big government nanny staters.

but right now while the country and states are withering because of poor fiscal policy, and these government workers still demanding more and more to shove into their fat spoiled mouths while everything else in the country deteriorates, well that is just such a perfect example of why the state of the union is shit right now.


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14014119 - 02/23/11 02:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Because he doesn't expect to be lied to by scummy little punks?  Did you want him to call him Mr. Koch?




Are you on a first name basis with everyone then?


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14014306 - 02/23/11 03:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

LOLOLOLOLOL



Here's the Fox News version of the Gallup poll. Notice anything... different?



:rofldrunk:

Fucking priceless. What a clown show. I haven't seen this much GOP fail on display since, well, 9/11. I would seriously rather play Chubby Bunny with razor blades than try to defend these guys.

God bless ya, Zappa.

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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14014405 - 02/23/11 03:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Gastronomicus said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Because he doesn't expect to be lied to by scummy little punks?  Did you want him to call him Mr. Koch?




Are you on a first name basis with everyone then?



Yes.  Apparently Walker isn't on a "first name basis" with the real Mr. Koch, either, since he didn't know it wasn't him.

Fucking hell.


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: jimbotron]
    #14014425 - 02/23/11 03:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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jimbotron said:
LOLOLOLOLOL



Here's the Fox News version of the Gallup poll. Notice anything... different?



:rofldrunk:

Fucking priceless. What a clown show. I haven't seen this much GOP fail on display since, well, 9/11. I would seriously rather play Chubby Bunny with razor blades than try to defend these guys.

God bless ya, Zappa.



I already said they made a mistake.  Clearly.  But:
1.  FoxNews isn't the GOP and
2.  Only a retarded monkey thinks the GOP was responsible for 9/11


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14014522 - 02/23/11 03:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:facepalm: at the poll question. Anyone who uses the term "collective bargaining rights" to refer to what is under contention is a joke. Actual "collective bargaining rights" are protected by the first amendment through freedom of speech and assembly.

more accurate:
Eliminating regulatory procedure that enables the monopoly power of public sector labor unions.

Ultimately, all government employees are subject to termination for convenience and have no right to be bargained with in good faith. Don't like it? Don't enter into an incestuous relationship with the government.


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: sixxy]
    #14014533 - 02/23/11 03:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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there are real constitutional issues with  government employee unions since they are paid with tax payer funds and the unions leaders take the union dues (tax payer money) and give them to the politicians they choose which are usually big government nanny staters.

but right now while the country and states are withering because of poor fiscal policy, and these government workers still demanding more and more to shove into their fat spoiled mouths while everything else in the country deteriorates, well that is just such a perfect example of why the state of the union is shit right now.




Is it unconstitutional for a military contractor to donate to a congressman? What about any other corporation that receives government funding?

If not, why not?

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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: jimbotron]
    #14014628 - 02/23/11 03:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

the way I see it, if the unions dont like the deal they're more than welcome
to stop working and leave wisconsin without a public workforce, kinda like
those democrats did, walked off the job... have they gotten their walking
papers yet? nope and they're still being paid not to work

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    #14014715 - 02/23/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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jimbotron said:
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sixxy said:
there are real constitutional issues with  government employee unions since they are paid with tax payer funds and the unions leaders take the union dues (tax payer money) and give them to the politicians they choose which are usually big government nanny staters.

but right now while the country and states are withering because of poor fiscal policy, and these government workers still demanding more and more to shove into their fat spoiled mouths while everything else in the country deteriorates, well that is just such a perfect example of why the state of the union is shit right now.




Is it unconstitutional for a military contractor to donate to a congressman? What about any other corporation that receives government funding?

If not, why not?





do you know the difference between dues and profit? public and private? government position and nongovernment position? union and nonunion? the individual and the collective?

from your earlier post it is clear youre very emotional on this matter. past run ins with ideological zealots makes me understand I probably wont be able to reason with you and youll probably white knuckle grip your stance in the face of anything. so if you know the differences between the things I listed, you are capable of understanding the flaw in your question and the entirety of your stance when youre ready to.

may the winds be at your back.


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Re: Walker-ing over a cliff [Re: sixxy]
    #14014785 - 02/23/11 04:20 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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do you know the difference between dues and profit? public and private? government position and nongovernment position? union and nonunion? the individual and the collective?




Settle down. You made no such distinctions.

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there are real constitutional issues with  government employee unions since they are paid with tax payer funds and the unions leaders take the union dues (tax payer money) and give them to the politicians they choose which are usually big government nanny staters.




Not particularly nuanced. Mind you, I completely understand what you're getting at; but you lose me when you claim that this is a situation unique to public unions.

How about this:

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there are real constitutional issues with arms manufacturers since they are paid with tax payer funds and their lobbyists take their profits (tax payer money) and give them to the politicians they choose which usually vote for expensive defense contracts.




In fact, you can gin up politician->individual->politician loop for just about anything if you want to; prison wardens, road crews, Medicare doctors, etc etc etc.

Again, the only thing I disagree with is that the only loop that is Constitutionally abhorrent is the one that involves public employee unions. It reminds me of the early-2000s argument that "double taxation", which happens every time you pay sales tax with your after-tax income, is outrageous when it involves stock dividends.

May the scales fall from your eyes.

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