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Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions)
#14010713 - 02/22/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright, so when it comes down to CEV's nothing up to date has impressed me besides
- DMT - DXM
and I generally don't really care for visuals much. HOWEVER, I'm in pursuit of a certain kind of CEV that I've only ever gotten several times in the past. On DMT I get propelled into its own twisted vortex beyond my control. While awe-inspiring, this is not what I seek. I'm looking for the sort induced by DXM, except in a psychedelic compound.
Let me explain: The only times I've ever gotten CEV's that really made me want to keep my eyes closed for hours were on DXM, Coricidin to be exact. I guess it was the combination of DXM + the anti-histamine in it, but whenever I would meditate/close my eyes I wouldn't get visuals, but literal visions in which my thoughts created what laid before me, and I could actively participate in this dreamscape and move my consciousness around this realm like a Wii remote or something. Unfortunately this happens ONLY on CCC's and I long since stopped using DXM as I feel pretty retarded the day afterwards, and awesome visions aren't worth my brain operating at 40%.
A friend of mine a while ago told me of a 2C compound in which you could actually control the CEV's/OEV's and create your own dreamscape behind closed eyes, but I've long since forgotten what it was. 2C-I? 2C-T-7? Has anybody heard of this/had an experience with this?
Can anybody help me out here? Anything that specifically gives me closed-eyed visions to create, not just swirly colors and fractal visuals.
Edited by sunset_mission (02/22/11 11:03 PM)
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14010855 - 02/22/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do mushrooms not do this for you?
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: drr]
#14010870 - 02/22/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't have access to mushrooms for the time being unfortunately, nor do I have much experience with them.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14010917 - 02/22/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I feel like those are what you are looking for.
But maybe you should look into 4-aco-dmt, for that reason. I haven't tried it but it sounds super sweet. I don't know much about 2c chemicals but I think if visions are what you want, not patterns, psilocybin or its close relative 4-aco-dmt is where its at.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: drr]
#14010949 - 02/22/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been having funny coincidences on the Shroomery alot lately... I was JUST looking up 4-ACO-DMT about an hour or two ago It converts to psilocin in the stomach right? I can't find anywhere that has it and one of the sites I knew had it is no longer available. Is it more potent than shrooms?
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14011055 - 02/22/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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By DMT do you mean smoked-freebase DMT?
Because it might not hurt to give an ayahuasca-like concoction a try.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14011116 - 02/23/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Like you said, DXM is great for CEV's..
Mushrooms and bud is also great as I imagine most psyches are.
Ketamine might just be the ultimate when it comes to CEV's though
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: twighead]
#14011631 - 02/23/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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My theory is sigma receptor
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: Janamil]
#14012102 - 02/23/11 06:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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My trips are usually very light on the visuals. Mushrooms do almost nothing visually to me, even at high doses. Cactus makes the world pretty and sparkling, but it is also subtle as the geometry has that underwater aspect to it. Take Remix's advice and give oral DMT with some harmalas a whirl. At the right dose, you can have hours of hyperspatial artwork superimposed over your reality. Of course you'll be hovering in that tripping/psychotic headspace and I am not sure that is what you want.
Ah, you want beautiful imagery with a clear, lucid mind and without any of the headfucking so that you have control over your visions. That's a tall order.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: joemolloy]
#14012388 - 02/23/11 08:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have taken Ayahuasca once before, though it was a light dose of it but still quite effective. I should probably smack myself for not experimenting with it further. 
Looks like I'll have to stick it out until I get my hands on some mushies (which someone here has said they'd help me with, bless their soul) in the near future. Ketamine didn't do much for me in the realm of CEV's (never got to the K-Hole point), it was only similar to DXM. Again, I suspect it is the mixture of a dissociative + the anti-histamine that caused that.
No, I don't mind the intense mind shattering at all (love it actually), it's just the CEV dreamscapes I want - like watching a TV in your mind.
When you go from visuals to visions on psilocybes are they akin to what I described? Visions that you may participate in?
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14012541 - 02/23/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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My CEV's on mushrooms aren't very controllable - they are more or less dependent on my state of mind and the music playing, generally its just flying around in some fractal land/space, something fairly abstract compared to dissociative CEV's which tend to build themselves off of situations I've encountered or imagined in real life.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14012546 - 02/23/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I suggested mushrooms based on a lot of Terence McKenna ideas I have read/listened to. He seems to think that psilocybin is the only psychedelic that gives him VISIONS or hallucinations rather than visual distortions/geometry. He would say that LSD just doesn't do the trick, only psilocybin gave him the great closed eye hallucinations he is after. And it seems he wasn't a big fan of phenethylamines at all.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: twighead]
#14012565 - 02/23/11 09:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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4-MeO-PCP had a fairly controlled headspace for me, was able to control the CEV's quite well, although I enjoy Ketamine more for controlling the CEV's, mostly because 4-MeO-PCP is a little stimulating for me.
as far as 2c compounds go, I have tried 2c-p, 2c-e, 2c-i, and 2c-t-2, of those, the most clear and able to be controlled, were 2c-i, and 2c-t-2, 2c-e gets very deep and spiritual for me
ill be back in a little to talk more on this subject, must go get xanax
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14012569 - 02/23/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You could take DXM and a psychedelic simultaneously.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: Cynosure]
#14013269 - 02/23/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok I have returned, and I agree with Cynosure, mixing a psychedelic phenethylamine or tryptamine with a good dissociative, perhaps, 2c-t-2, with ketamine, N2O, and 1 hit of LSD, 1.5 grams of some good shrooms. Or 4-HO-MET, K, n2o, with mescaline, and a hit of DMT at the peak or right before the peak.
That sounds amazing, I'm really high and so I wouldn't listen to me right now.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: PsychedelicWizard]
#14013287 - 02/23/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ketamine is VERY easy to control CEVs with. Go into a K Hole with music playing, and you can go where you want to in your mind.
Ketamine with mushrooms however is a lot harder to control CEVs. Its more a mass of amazing colors and jumping music.
Ketamine + high doses of MDMA makes really cool CEVs and are really easy to control as well.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: PsychedelicWizard]
#14013391 - 02/23/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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PsychedelicWizard said: 4-HO-MET, K, n2o, with mescaline, and a hit of DMT at the peak or right before the peak.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: Cynosure]
#14013397 - 02/23/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cynosure said:
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PsychedelicWizard said: 4-HO-MET, K, n2o, with mescaline, and a hit of DMT at the peak or right before the peak.

Always wanted to try DMT on the peak of a trip, but always slightly worried about the surge in bp on an already racing heart.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: Cynosure]
#14016280 - 02/23/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cynosure said:
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PsychedelicWizard said: 4-HO-MET, K, n2o, with mescaline, and a hit of DMT at the peak or right before the peak.

Love the way you think man.  Unfortunately only K and DMT are attainable for me for the time being.
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Cynosure said: You could take DXM and a psychedelic simultaneously.
You actually just reminded me of the most intense trip I've had which was - in fact - large spread out doses of LSA with DXM (Morning Glories, 13g in all + 2 bottles of 5oz Delsyms & 16 CCC's) plus a cigar-sized blunt at the peak in a forest at midnight about a year ago...
That trip lasted me damn near 18+ hours and hours after the peak I was STILL getting fucked up OEV's. I laid in bed when I got home and laid this little stuffed animal Koala on my stomach and watched for 2 hours as its head inflated, stretched, split into 2, 3, 10, danced around me, engulfed my entire vision, became a pinpoint, all that jazz. I wholeheartedly regret not closing my eyes then because I'd probably have been in that visionary headspace I desire... it goes without sayng that I'm going to have to recreate that experience soon.
Plus the addition of a psychedelic seems to counteract/completely nullify DXM's lingering mental slowness so I may have to break my dextromethorphic hiatus for this without fear of feeing like Forrest Gump the following days.
Anybody have any other good experiences of DXM + a psych? I've only ever did a combo of that nature that once (excluding another time where I dosed MG's on a heavy DXM afterglow and once more with Yopo on the afterglow)
Edited by sunset_mission (02/23/11 08:44 PM)
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14016370 - 02/23/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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A good strong dose of opiates gives me a dream scape.. But it's not very psychedelic. Very euphoric but I don't think that's what you're looking for lol.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14016833 - 02/23/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've combined mushrooms and DXM before but I personally prefer each on its own, the visuals were decent and very music driven but did not have the profound or complex fractal nature of mushroom visuals nor the control/immersible quality that DXM generally does.... the first half of the trip felt mostly mushroomy and the end half mostly dex-y
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: twighead]
#14016876 - 02/23/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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So mush + dex don't have much of a synergy eh? Ah, I'm fucking retarded, I can't believe I forgot about LSDXM.... that was a doosy. I wonder how DXM Polisterix + Ayahuasca/smoked DMT would turn out however.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14017811 - 02/24/11 01:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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sunset_mission said: So mush + dex don't have much of a synergy eh? Ah, I'm fucking retarded, I can't believe I forgot about LSDXM.... that was a doosy. I wonder how DXM Polisterix + Ayahuasca/smoked DMT would turn out however.
Just my experience 
I've heard DXM and DMT can be quite the combo... as apparently DXM and salvia can also be... I'm trying not to dose DXM more than once a year though so it'll have to wait
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: Cynosure]
#14018005 - 02/24/11 02:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cynosure said: You could take DXM and a psychedelic simultaneously.
Amazing btw. Shrooms + DXM = battle with soundwaves for 5 hours
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14018160 - 02/24/11 03:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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sunset_mission said: So mush + dex don't have much of a synergy eh? Ah, I'm fucking retarded, I can't believe I forgot about LSDXM.... that was a doosy. I wonder how DXM Polisterix + Ayahuasca/smoked DMT would turn out however.
Just so you know DXM with MAOI's will KILL you. Ayahuasca and DXM is impossible, but smoked DMT while on DXM is incredible.
I don't remember much about the CEV's from that combination I was too distracted, but I'm sure they would have been amazing.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: Moo456]
#14019335 - 02/24/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Moo456 said:
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sunset_mission said: So mush + dex don't have much of a synergy eh? Ah, I'm fucking retarded, I can't believe I forgot about LSDXM.... that was a doosy. I wonder how DXM Polisterix + Ayahuasca/smoked DMT would turn out however.
Just so you know DXM with MAOI's will KILL you. Ayahuasca and DXM is impossible, but smoked DMT while on DXM is incredible.
I don't remember much about the CEV's from that combination I was too distracted, but I'm sure they would have been amazing.
Thanks for the reminder dude. Yeah, I remember that MAOI's + DXM =
I think I'll be able to do a few combos within the next few weeks; DXM + LSA, DXM + Salvia, DXM + DMT, DXM + Shrooms, and (hopefully) DXM + 5-MeO-DMT. Though I'm not too keen on dosing DXM so frequently, so I may have to do DXM + LSA + Shrooms + Salvia + 5-MeO-DMT + nn-DMT in one go. If that doesn't thrust me into visionary la-la land then I don't know what will.
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Re: Certain CEV-inducing compounds? (Controllable visions) [Re: sunset_mission]
#14019822 - 02/24/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Make sure and try and space those trips by like a month, minimum a week - DXM takes time to recharge per say 
And good catch Moo
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