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E = MC^2 Found by Intuition?
    #14009332 - 02/22/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So Ive been trying to figure this out for awhile now. Did einstein really just use intuition to figure out this famous equation?

How did he logically figure it out other then what he believed in his own mind from relativity? How do we find equations like it?

If anyone here can explain how he figured out, it would be much appreciated because I believe his thought process can link quantum mechanics with relativity in the proper way. This will also give us a better explanation then the Copenhagen interpretation.

I need to either understand completely where and how he pulled this out of his ass, or how he has proved it other then in practicle terms.

I believe there is no mathematical explanation of relativity. Did this come to him in his mind? If that is true.. then why couldnt he come up with a better interpretation of quantum mechanics? He obviously understood that mass in energy and takes time in shooting there signals. I need to understand this.

If this is fully understood I believe this will prove that He, indeed does not throw dice.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil] * 1
    #14009927 - 02/22/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No, he did not find it by intuition alone.  He used intuition to help guide his problem solving techniques, and then derived the formula using postulates and mathematics.

Its pretty simple to derive using algebra.  You consider conservation of energy, conservation of momentum and also postulate that light has momentum.  Relativity is a very mathematical theory, and general relativity can be quite daunting.  But special relativity requires only basic algebra and physics knowledge to work through.


Edited by DieCommie (02/22/11 08:57 PM)


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14009954 - 02/22/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The only thing that I see is he understood how time and space worked based on a few seperate questioms he asked himself over and over again.

It seems like he came up with this by intuition alone, obviously his intuition was spatial and therefor physical.

His main thought experiment was just an observation of relativity and created it from that using a new Newtonian equation.

What I want to know is how he understood this on a physical,spatial level.

I fortunately see relativity in a spatial reconstruction and I dont see how he didn't come up with the ability to see quantum mechanics and tie it with his theory of relativity.

He debated it with Bohr over and over again. Why didn't he come to this conclusion?

Did he not have enough evidence at the current time?


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14009972 - 02/22/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Im not sure you have that quite right...


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14009997 - 02/22/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Uh... Relativity implies there is less mass in movement then standing still. Which would be the change in the Newtonian equation and indirectly results in E=MC^2.

Am I believing this right, He did all this by understanding relativity in relative motion?

I don't see how he didn't do more research on quantum mechanics then. Its obvious that relativity and quantum mechanics have things in common. Its just our ignorance that prevents us from understanding it.

But Einstein went past or ignorance through intuition. I do not understand why this is the result of his work. Did he give up? Did he not have enough evidence? Did he not do as much thinking as in his golden years?

I don't understand why.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14009998 - 02/22/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh no not again


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010011 - 02/22/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, Your constant closed mindedness and complete lack of respect of any idea other then your own has enforced me to put you on ignore.

Come back when your not a blight on humanity.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010022 - 02/22/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Relativity and Quantum Mechanics mesh just fine ala the Dirac Equation.  This came out long ago, during Einstein's time but he just ignored it and refused to consider in his stubborn older age.  Just because he is Einstein doesnt mean he is always right.  It is gravity and quantum mechanics that dont mix, and gravity is best explained with general relativity.

The ideas that prompted relativity come from electromagnetism.  It is in the formalism of classical electromagnetism that you can see the need for relativity, and many physicists were developing similar ideas at the time (like lorentz and poincare).


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: DieCommie]
    #14010044 - 02/22/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:laugh2: I managed to get ignored my janamil! I think he's the first user ever to ignore me. Dude has some interesting things to say, but rambles on incessantly like a maniac.:shrug:


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010060 - 02/22/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you for that. Ill look at that equation.

Einstein was the one of the only ones that used his imagination and intuition to understand physics and one of the best scientists to date from his obvious "out of ass" intuition that no one else understood.

The key to understanding more, is to understand how these people understood what they understood.

It makes more sense that way though. Electromagnetism is what allows us to understand energy vs mass. They are one and the same, yet only see by observations. Once an observation is seen, it is set. This implies that we we see, is not what is real.

This is obviously on a minute scale, but this would go into understanding schulder (SP) equation of the cat. If the cat is in the box, and someone flips a coin. The chance of the cat being dead is 50/50 but when history remembers it, It only remembers the cat being alive or the cat being killed.

This implies that it is obviously on a very small scale, We are ripples in space and time.

Understanding how these work together I believe will also replace the theory of darkmatter and dark energy.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010083 - 02/22/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are you trying to get on his thought path?

Try looking up all his beliefs / what he followed.
I would think that would effect his way of thinking, IMO.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010102 - 02/22/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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nicechrisman said:
Oh no not again



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Janamil said:
Okay, Your constant closed mindedness and complete lack of respect of any idea other then your own has enforced me to put you on ignore.

Come back when your not a blight on humanity.



this was the entirety of our exchange and I got blocked and given a 0 shroom rating?

This guy is just plain weird and unstable.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010104 - 02/22/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Already have, I believe in the same way by default. So now Im trying to understand his specific thought patterns of relativity and in relation to time and matter.

I do not believe I will come up with anything solid until later in life, but I must come up with as much as possible before I learn mathematics. Otherwise I will be limited.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010112 - 02/22/11 09:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Math is like language, its best to learn it while you are young.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: giza]
    #14010120 - 02/22/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Einstein was right about god not playing dice

there is a balance to the universe and the real answer will be simple


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010139 - 02/22/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, it is like language and like the english language this inhibits part of our brain of learning things we would not after understanding a universal way of thinking.

Our knowledge literally inhibits us.

"The only source of knowledge is experience." -Albert Einstein

I also believe he said something about the only thing that stops his learning is knowledge.

This is true on a biological level.

If all we learn are shortcuts, then all we will understand are shortcuts.

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Dr. P. Silocybin said:
Einstein was right about god not playing dice

there is a balance to the universe and the real answer will be simple




Exactly. If one cannot explain something in simple terms, one does not understand it fully.

Einstein quote, to lazy to get exact.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010188 - 02/22/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ugh, I didnt want this thread to die. I just want to know why he never tried to understand this huge concept. He already got the basis of it down.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010253 - 02/22/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

he did try, he couldn't get it.
When scientists first started to look into the subatomic world they had trouble accepting the chaotic and logic defying nature of their observations.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010260 - 02/22/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Relativity explains the logic defying nature of.. it all. Of signals. He found the first limit of the universe. I was honestly just wondering if something stopped him, or if it has already happened and there is something I am missing.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010319 - 02/22/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No one can answer your question cause aint no one know shit about a dead mans perspective.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010343 - 02/22/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Not believing you cant figure out someones total psychology from just the actions of the individual, is.. well. Common sense but we don't get anywhere with common sense. It is the uncommon agent that changes the common agent.

I do not use common sense.

It is counterproductive.

Therefor, I will theorize as much as possible about what and how he came up with his idea. I just need perspectives to understand it fully.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010347 - 02/22/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:crazy2:


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14010380 - 02/22/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Throwing common sense out the window and believing anything you come up with as truth negates the validity of anything and everything you say.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010413 - 02/22/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Common sense? Seriously?

Do you not understand the concept I was trying to explain behind common sense. Its obvious that the people that change history, never really followed what was "common sense". They followed what they believed to be true, and they were right. These uncommon people SHAPED what is common.
I do not understand why you didn't make this connection before, or chooses not to but you did not understand fully.

I also do not believe anything I think of is true, just what is possibly true and then I work on that. Same way einstein understood relativity. He was not limited by his days science.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14010424 - 02/22/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It is derived from known gaps in science that he decided to investigate.

Obviously with earths technology at his disposal he was able to simplify an otherwise unknown phenomena.

In a sense his intuition knew that for humans to apply his research he would have to combine known elements so humans could apply the knowledge.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010435 - 02/22/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Common sense? Seriously?

Do you not understand the concept I was trying to explain behind common sense. Its obvious that the people that change history, never really followed what was "common sense". They followed what they believed to be true, and they were right. These uncommon people SHAPED what is common.
I do not understand why you didn't make this connection before, or chooses not to but you did not understand fully.

I also do not believe anything I think of is true, just what is possibly true and then I work on that. Same way einstein understood relativity. He was not limited by his days science.





Maybe in the beginning of our discovery of true knowledge, but theres enough concrete truths out there now that you cannot just throw out the common sense they give and expect to make radical discoveries


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14010438 - 02/22/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
Quote:

Janamil said:
Common sense? Seriously?

Do you not understand the concept I was trying to explain behind common sense. Its obvious that the people that change history, never really followed what was "common sense". They followed what they believed to be true, and they were right. These uncommon people SHAPED what is common.
I do not understand why you didn't make this connection before, or chooses not to but you did not understand fully.

I also do not believe anything I think of is true, just what is possibly true and then I work on that. Same way einstein understood relativity. He was not limited by his days science.





Maybe in the beginning of our discovery of true knowledge, but theres enough concrete truths out there now that you cannot just throw out the common sense they give and expect to make radical discoveries




And that is the thinking type that limits us.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil] * 1
    #14010472 - 02/22/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

And yours is the type that devolves our thinking


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14010482 - 02/22/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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And yours is the type that devolves our thinking



watch out or he'll block you and give you a 0 shroom rating.

his logic is NOT to be disputed!


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: nicechrisman] * 1
    #14010504 - 02/22/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I feel almost non existent in the presence of the intellectual prowess that is janamil


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14010532 - 02/22/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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And yours is the type that devolves our thinking




Lol, I dont even know why Im arguing this with you. You obviously think your superior thinking is in everything. You believe you know the truths that others do not. Reasoning that they do not understand. Its in your signature. Its in your responses, its in your attitude.



I believe I see more reasoning then other people but I do not base this on one perspective. I look at everything, You refuse to see anything outside of yourself or your beliefs. You must understand every perspective to come to the conclusion of the correct one.

Do you not understand almost everything has an influence on you? Including perspectives, knowledge of other-people. They influence you in ways, its impossible for them not to. Its just understanding why they influence you that is the key matter.

Being blind to one perspective is a form of complete denial and ignorance.

If you refuse to only see one way, its most likely going to be the wrong fucking way.

I do not understand what you believe you will gain with a closed mind.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14010535 - 02/22/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
I feel almost non existent in the presence of the intellectual prowess that is janamil




Oooo, and the psychological avoidance sets in.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14010551 - 02/22/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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I feel almost non existent in the presence of the intellectual prowess that is janamil



:laugh2:


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010587 - 02/22/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't believe in black holes man like when you think about it the answer can't be so simple. Physics is a beautiful and complex wonderful litlle thing etc but you can't put it into these natural laws and such. How can you define a natural force? Well, one way is like a bunch of little whirlpools that interact and attract each other. But personally, I prefer my unfounded and irrevocable hypothesis which shed so much light on the cosmos, such as "what is gravity be?" Or "how many stephen hawkings deinstein think of before discovering out of ass?" These are the things that I like to speculate on when I done drugs on the shroomy and I appreciate imchavel's arguement. Goodnight.com


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010599 - 02/22/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Janamil said:
Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
I feel almost non existent in the presence of the intellectual prowess that is janamil




Oooo, and the psychological avoidance sets in.




Aint it a bit ironic that your speaking of psychological avoidance?


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010744 - 02/22/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ive already explained that I do not care if you believe I am crazy or not.

I only care if I am correct. Thus there is no psychological avoidance, Just fact.

What is your excuse?

Quote:

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I don't believe in black holes man like when you think about it the answer can't be so simple. Physics is a beautiful and complex wonderful litlle thing etc but you can't put it into these natural laws and such. How can you define a natural force? Well, one way is like a bunch of little whirlpools that interact and attract each other. But personally, I prefer my unfounded and irrevocable hypothesis which shed so much light on the cosmos, such as "what is gravity be?" Or "how many stephen hawkings deinstein think of before discovering out of ass?" These are the things that I like to speculate on when I done drugs on the shroomy and I appreciate imchavel's arguement. Goodnight.com




The answer is not simple because we do not understand. It does not mean it is not incomprehensible.


Edited by Janamil (02/22/11 11:08 PM)


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010752 - 02/22/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Ive already explained that I do not care if you believe I am crazy or not.

I only care if I am correct. Thus there is no psychological avoidance, Just fact.

What is your excuse?



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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010761 - 02/22/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:facepalm3:


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14010769 - 02/22/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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:facepalm3:



Cant come up with anything other then what your ego entails? That makes perfect sense as to why you are in the state you are in.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010785 - 02/22/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:ban:

seriously, if this person wants to spout his crazy shit, he should go do it elsewhere...


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010814 - 02/22/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Its quite ironic how you are capable of veiwing others theories with criticism but when it comes down to your own your insanely massive and diseased ego does not allow such thoughts as internally you veiw yourself as some kind of god of intellect when your nothing but a rambling moron incapable of seeing the simplistic fallacies that permeate every-single one of your own theories.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14010827 - 02/22/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

nicechrisman said:
:ban:

seriously, if this person wants to spout his crazy shit, he should go do it elsewhere...



But alas, extremes are opposites and at the same time entangled into the very existence of themselves.

Both types of people are here and both will benefit from what I say once what I say is validated.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14010857 - 02/22/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Its quite ironic how you are capable of veiwing others theories with criticism but when it comes down to your own your insanely massive and diseased ego does not allow such thoughts as internally you veiw yourself as some kind of god of intellect when your nothing but a rambling moron incapable of seeing the simplistic fallacies that permeate every-single one of your own theories.




Simplistic fallacies are what inhibit your pattern of thinking. To many people are subjected to only see the details and never understand the big picture.

Details are not needed, they can be verified later after the reasons of the details are understood.

Simple stating in this context.

I see the opposite and therefor can understand what you cannot, but you can understand what I cannot.

You see the details, I see the big picture.

The thing is, the big picture is much more rewarding then little facts. Especially when trying to understand Etiological reasons of subjects.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010861 - 02/22/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am Janamil
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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14010865 - 02/22/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Usually whatever you're trying to prove is so poorly worded I have no idea what you're trying to validate :lol:


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14010867 - 02/22/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Please see my poll in the pub.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14010879 - 02/22/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am not always correct, no never will be. All I do is look at what is missing and why.

I look at every possible explanation that my mind can understand, and go with what makes sense over what my mind tells me is correct.

Explain to me, Why do you come to the conclusion you do? Do you listen to society, Do you listen to common sense? Why do you believe what you believe?

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Usually whatever you're trying to prove is so poorly worded I have no idea what you're trying to validate :lol:




Yeah, unfortunately I think in almost purely spatial reconstructions. Words do not come easy but concepts do. More people need to understand that they need to think in both ways to truly understand what is happening around them.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14011801 - 02/23/11 02:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The only thing that I see is he understood how time and space worked based on a few seperate questioms he asked himself over and over again.

It seems like he came up with this by intuition alone, obviously his intuition was spatial and therefor physical.

His main thought experiment was just an observation of relativity and created it from that using a new Newtonian equation.

What I want to know is how he understood this on a physical,spatial level.

I fortunately see relativity in a spatial reconstruction and I dont see how he didn't come up with the ability to see quantum mechanics and tie it with his theory of relativity.

He debated it with Bohr over and over again. Why didn't he come to this conclusion?

Did he not have enough evidence at the current time?




Einstein's intuition actually led him to believe that quantum mechanics was INCORRECT; he's famously quoted as saying "God does not play dice with the Universe"; meaning that he was appalled by any theory that explained the world by means of randomness or probability.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: deCypher]
    #14011829 - 02/23/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yea then he did the EPR experiment to try to disprove quantum mechanics which ended up only providing more evidence for it. who knows what else he would've came up with if he wasn't trying so hard to go against it.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: bigmike7104]
    #14011952 - 02/23/11 04:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The only thing that I see is he understood how time and space worked based on a few seperate questioms he asked himself over and over again.

It seems like he came up with this by intuition alone, obviously his intuition was spatial and therefor physical.

His main thought experiment was just an observation of relativity and created it from that using a new Newtonian equation.

What I want to know is how he understood this on a physical,spatial level.

I fortunately see relativity in a spatial reconstruction and I dont see how he didn't come up with the ability to see quantum mechanics and tie it with his theory of relativity.

He debated it with Bohr over and over again. Why didn't he come to this conclusion?

Did he not have enough evidence at the current time?




Einstein's intuition actually led him to believe that quantum mechanics was INCORRECT; he's famously quoted as saying "God does not play dice with the Universe"; meaning that he was appalled by any theory that explained the world by means of randomness or probability.



I said this in my first post. "He indeed, does not roll dice". I just don't get why Einstein didn't try to prove it on a subatomic level.

Oh my god, so he was just closed minded to the aspect? Its true, god does not roll dice but the only hard part is trying to understand that on a smaller scale using limited understanding and limited technology.

Not to mention the fact that through this, our observations as a whole change the outcome. Its like, if the rock train didn't know the light was there, it would not be there but at the same time. Its actually there.

Its like we live in a past-tense of a pre-existing state that is forever changing and growing.

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Wait that last statement is wrong in a sense it is, but everything is relative to itself but at the same time is a flux in the universe. Its so hard to explain.

Its like, time is not constant. Using this theory, time is relative. This would also mean we are slowly growing as the universe ourselves, even atoms. The universe has a whole bunch of systems that slowly correct itself and its relative to what it is around.

This would mean that time itself is relative. That makes no sense.

It seems like we have self adapting physical laws. One system slowly effecting another and in turn they both slowly grow in the way that is needed.

Like, what is truly there is not there. It is just an echo of what allegedly happened. Relativity. Why couldn't Einstein understand that the changes in observation in physics is the basis of relativity.

I cant remember why I edited this.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14012103 - 02/23/11 06:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Intuition indeed...

Einstein would spend whole days thinking and then testing his thoughts through Equation...

The guy was entertaining some amazing thoughts...And that's next to the mathematics that he was performing... He read all kinds of alchemy books, interested in all of this knowledge...But he was a German scientists so that's not surprising...


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Janamil]
    #14012123 - 02/23/11 06:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Relativity explains the logic defying nature of.. it all. Of signals. He found the first limit of the universe. I was honestly just wondering if something stopped him, or if it has already happened and there is something I am missing.




I think you need to throw away your belief that Einstein was the only one capable of solving the problem. Many people have disproven Einstein. I'm not trying to knock the man he was obviously a genius but even a genius is confined to the his current era and the knowledge of that era.

I also am under the firm belief that if Einstein would not have proven relativity someone else would have.


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Re: E = MC^2 Found by Intuition? [Re: Rocker232]
    #14012134 - 02/23/11 06:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, relativity is the easiest way to visualize this phenomenon.

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Relativity explains the logic defying nature of.. it all. Of signals. He found the first limit of the universe. I was honestly just wondering if something stopped him, or if it has already happened and there is something I am missing.




I think you need to throw away your belief that Einstein was the only one capable of solving the problem. Many people have disproven Einstein. I'm not trying to knock the man he was obviously a genius but even a genius is confined to the his current era and the knowledge of that era.

I also am under the firm belief that if Einstein would not have proven relativity someone else would have.




Its not the fact that I do not believe someone else would of eventually done it. Im wondering how he understood it before everyone else.


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