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mushiepussy

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Reform: Politics
#14008385 - 02/22/11 04:10 PM (13 years, 11 days ago) |
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Does anybody feel like it's time we need a different voting system, one that doesn't feel pointless?
I believe if their were voting requirements on knowledge of the issues before voting, voting would be very effective. All you would have to do is take a simple computerized test, giving you permission to vote within your knowledge spectrum. This test would be quick and simple, just weeding out the ignorant votes for they are as worthless as blank votes. This would make votes more meaningful and powerful, taking the bullshit out of the election process and result in much better politicians. It would make a big difference.
You don't ask a 12 year old how to fix your car. Their opinion will not get your car fixed, and may do even more damage. They are ignorant, if you want your car fixed ask someone who is not.
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The only way to assure everyone knows the same thing and is basing their vote on complete knowledge is for the media to be controlled by the government.
i do agree though, most people can't vote because they have no real idea what they voting for or against.
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But if the media is controlled by the government, i mean, 100%, entertainment shows would either be non-existent and freedom of expression would have to be chopped down.
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mushiepussy said: Does anybody feel like it's time we need a different voting system, one that doesn't feel pointless?
I believe if their were voting requirements on knowledge of the issues before voting, voting would be very effective. All you would have to do is take a simple computerized test, giving you permission to vote within your knowledge spectrum. This test would be quick and simple, just weeding out the ignorant votes for they are as worthless as blank votes. This would make votes more meaningful and powerful, taking the bullshit out of the election process and result in much better politicians. It would make a big difference.
You don't ask a 12 year old how to fix your car. Their opinion will not get your car fixed, and may do even more damage. They are ignorant, if you want your car fixed ask someone who is not.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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or maybe media should become uncontrolled and limitless. Its up to you what you watch and how you wtch it. You don't have to watch cnn or fownews, just watch whatever gives the most information without making too much judgment. I like bbc. they keep it real all day
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the bbc is only slightly less fos. at best
btw I can see why you don't have the stones to post this in the political forum.
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mushiepussy said: or maybe media should become uncontrolled and limitless. Its up to you what you watch and how you wtch it. You don't have to watch cnn or fownews, just watch whatever gives the most information without making too much judgment. I like bbc. they keep it real all day 
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You know what would fix our political system overnight?
Every politician is given a campaigning budget by the government funded by taxes. No private, personal, or corporate money allowed. Each politician gets exactly the same advertising-power.
That would level the playing field and nobody could win simply because they have the most money to saturate the sheeple glued to their TVs and super-sized fries.
Of course, it will never happen.
Witness the immediate effect the recent Supreme Court decision to allow unlimited corporate funding has already had on politics: people who are in favor of doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill now believe that doctors who would help the terminally ill end their life with dignity are actually "Death Panels" and so they're against what they're actually in favor of.
Ask most people, point by point, if they're in favor of Obama-Care. They mostly say YES to each point. But ask them if they're in favor of Obama-Care overall, and they say NO even though in reality they are in favor but don't realize it.
That's the power of advertising.
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Re: Reform: Politics [Re: Diploid]
#14008906 - 02/22/11 05:53 PM (13 years, 11 days ago) |
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That's the power of advertising.
It's really the mental midgetness of humanity.
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Re: Reform: Politics [Re: Icelander]
#14009370 - 02/22/11 07:23 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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let it roll, dawg
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Re: Reform: Politics [Re: andrewss]
#14009538 - 02/22/11 07:51 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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On one level I agree with the OP.
But then you have to agree that the people get what they vote for... the politicians in my country are not very intelligent. They are constantly making stupid mistakes and wasting money like it is water. But then this is what the people voted for...
If you had a political cabinet made up of engineers, physicists, philosophers, astronomers, doctors, teachers etc. then how could that cabinet actually function in the real society?
If you say to someone "we are going to take away all fast food, alcohol, cigarettes, pornography, and make sure that healthy food and marriage counselling is made affordable and accessible for everyone", then you would have a riot on your hands!
The people don't actually understand what is in their best interest. So even if you only allowed "smart" people to vote then that would make the "ignorant" people unhappy.
what is the answer?
I believe that we need to educate everyone and elevate them above their physical desires.
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Re: Reform: Politics [Re: durantz]
#14009616 - 02/22/11 08:01 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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The people don't actually understand what is in their best interest.
Do you include yourself here?
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Re: Reform: Politics [Re: durantz]
#14009880 - 02/22/11 08:45 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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durantz said: On one level I agree with the OP.
But then you have to agree that the people get what they vote for... the politicians in my country are not very intelligent. They are constantly making stupid mistakes and wasting money like it is water. But then this is what the people voted for...
If you had a political cabinet made up of engineers, physicists, philosophers, astronomers, doctors, teachers etc. then how could that cabinet actually function in the real society?
If you say to someone "we are going to take away all fast food, alcohol, cigarettes, pornography, and make sure that healthy food and marriage counselling is made affordable and accessible for everyone", then you would have a riot on your hands!
The people don't actually understand what is in their best interest. So even if you only allowed "smart" people to vote then that would make the "ignorant" people unhappy.
what is the answer?
I believe that we need to educate everyone and elevate them above their physical desires.
Which country do you live in where the politicians are stupid?
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Ahaha... that's funny.
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Re: Reform: Politics [Re: Icelander]
#14010574 - 02/22/11 10:35 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Icelander said: The people don't actually understand what is in their best interest.
Do you include yourself here?
Yes ofcourse... I am one of the people. Was that a trick question?
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Re: Reform: Politics [Re: durantz]
#14010613 - 02/22/11 10:43 PM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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No not a trick.
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Re: Reform: Politics [Re: Diploid]
#14011370 - 02/23/11 12:52 AM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Diploid said: Ahaha... that's funny.
I'm not making a joke. I think that often people think that politicians are stupid because they do the opposite of what we want them to do; it's not that they're stupid, oh no, far from it. It's just that they have different goals than we do, and we assume that people who think differently than us are crazy. Politicians want power and clearly they're very good at it.
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Diploid said: Ahaha... that's funny.
I'm not making a joke. I think that often people think that politicians are stupid because they do the opposite of what we want them to do; it's not that they're stupid, oh no, far from it. It's just that they have different goals than we do, and we assume that people who think differently than us are crazy. Politicians want power and clearly they're very good at it.
Is this something you know they want or is this what you think they want? Sounds to me like you're being a bit of an elitist here claiming that other people are mistaken about the goals of politicians yet you know what they want...
Do you know something the rest of us dont?
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Diploid said: Ahaha... that's funny.
I'm not making a joke. I think that often people think that politicians are stupid because they do the opposite of what we want them to do; it's not that they're stupid, oh no, far from it. It's just that they have different goals than we do, and we assume that people who think differently than us are crazy. Politicians want power and clearly they're very good at it.
I disagree. I think politicians do exactly what is expected of them. Most people recognize, unconsciously, that they would love to be in that position of power and would abuse it in exactly the same ways. Why do you think when a politician is finally busted they don't pay the way a common criminal would. We defend their right to be corrupt because it is an accurate reflection of our desires.
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Re: Reform: Politics [Re: Icelander]
#14012655 - 02/23/11 09:56 AM (13 years, 10 days ago) |
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Diploid said: Ahaha... that's funny.
I'm not making a joke. I think that often people think that politicians are stupid because they do the opposite of what we want them to do; it's not that they're stupid, oh no, far from it. It's just that they have different goals than we do, and we assume that people who think differently than us are crazy. Politicians want power and clearly they're very good at it.
Is this something you know they want or is this what you think they want? Sounds to me like you're being a bit of an elitist here claiming that other people are mistaken about the goals of politicians yet you know what they want...
Do you know something the rest of us dont?
Please explain to me how it's elitist to say "I think you're mistaken." Quote:
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learningtofly said:
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Diploid said: Ahaha... that's funny.
I'm not making a joke. I think that often people think that politicians are stupid because they do the opposite of what we want them to do; it's not that they're stupid, oh no, far from it. It's just that they have different goals than we do, and we assume that people who think differently than us are crazy. Politicians want power and clearly they're very good at it.
I disagree. I think politicians do exactly what is expected of them. Most people recognize, unconsciously, that they would love to be in that position of power and would abuse it in exactly the same ways. Why do you think when a politician is finally busted they don't pay the way a common criminal would. We defend their right to be corrupt because it is an accurate reflection of our desires.
If most people want to be in a position of power, why do most people want to be told what to do?
Take, for example, Scott Walker. People seem to think he's an idiot because he wants to take away collective bargaining rights. I say that he's not an idiot, he just wants something different from what most people want: profits, and he has the ability to get it with the help of the Koch brothers. You see, taking away bargaining rights is only stupid if you actually care about the wellbeing of other people, but if you don't care and you just want to make more money, then it's a really good idea.
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