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starcade
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what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet?
#14008146 - 02/22/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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recently got a crop dried of mine and a buddys, and he called today with some somewhat bad news, the weight dropped from 360g wet (we were expecting 36g dry) to only 18g dry. what could cause this?
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: starcade]
#14008166 - 02/22/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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They had a higher water concentration than normal
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: starcade]
#14008167 - 02/22/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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higher than normal water levels.
As for why, I have no idea.
Edited by sporophight (02/22/11 03:24 PM)
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: sporophight]
#14008207 - 02/22/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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sporophight said: higher than normal water levels.
As for why, I have no idea.
Substrate wetter than normal, humidity in grow chamber higher than typical. It won't affect the potency, don't worry.
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: starcade]
#14008237 - 02/22/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright, I appreciate the fast responses, take care!
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: starcade]
#14008426 - 02/22/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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He ate 180 grams wet while they dried  JK, Hollow stems maybe?
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14008807 - 02/22/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, they are hollow stems. bau hau than strain or whatever, cant spell that ching-chong bullshit name lol
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: starcade]
#14008816 - 02/22/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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that's a creepy signature pic man....
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: Smirnoff]
#14009103 - 02/22/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Smirnoff said: that's a creepy signature pic man....
i thought it was fucking hillarious, personally. i respect anyone who is that die-hard about what they believe.
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: starcade]
#14009117 - 02/22/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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starcade said:
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Smirnoff said: that's a creepy signature pic man....
i thought it was fucking hillarious, personally. i respect anyone who is that die-hard about what they believe.
Are you retarded? Klansmen are as stupid as they are ignorant, not to be respected AT ALL, just another type of dumb gangster.
Anyways, AFOAF has found that most of their crops are 94% water.
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: starcade]
#14009139 - 02/22/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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starcade said:
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Smirnoff said: that's a creepy signature pic man....
i thought it was fucking hillarious, personally. i respect anyone who is that die-hard about what they believe.
The only difference in a free one and a jailed one is that if they go to prison for some reason they don't get to dress up in Halloween costumes and burn crosses, but they are still die hard about what they believe in. You have to respect that but it is still not a good thing IMO. Let them believe what they want but I also have the right to believe that they are wrong.
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14010185 - 02/22/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think you just dried them properly, most folks skimp a bit and dont get them allllllllllll the way dry. Ive seen people on various "OMC" forums cling to the idea that shrooms are only 50-60% water lol.
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: sandman420]
#14010712 - 02/22/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you don't get them all the way dry you can get botulism from eating them later. Clostridium bacteria are commonly found in cubes and they can lay dormant for years and the spores can survive most dehydrator temperatures and if the cubes are exposed to moisture (opening a sealed ziplock in a humid room)the spores can then grow into the deadly botulism toxin, even if they were cracker dry.
If they have any moisture at all left in them and you put them in a sealed bag or jar you risk getting a botulism infection. If you put them in a sealed container with no air for long term storage you had better be sure they are completely dry, and also I would use a silica gel pack or two.
Botulism is caused by botulinum toxin, a natural poison produced by certain bacteria in the Clostridium genus. Exposure to the botulinum toxin occurs mostly from eating contaminated food. Botulinum toxin blocks motor nerves' ability to release acetylcho-line, the neurotransmitter that relays nerve signals to muscles, and paralysis occurs. As botulism progresses, the muscles that control the airway and breathing fail.
To grow, these bacteria require a low-acid, OXYGEN-FREE environment that is warm (40-120°F or 4.4-48.8°C) and moist. Lacking these conditions, the bacteria transform themselves into spores that, like plant seeds, can remain dormant for years. Clostridia and their spores exist all over the world, ESPECIALLY IN SOIL and aquatic sediments. They do not threaten human or animal health until the spores encounter an environment that favors growth. The spores then germinate, and the growing bacteria produce the deadly botulism toxin.
So it would also be a good idea if you are storing them long term to clean or cut off ant remaining soil if there is any, keep a silica gel pack with them and consume any stored mushrooms immediately after unfreezing or opening a sealed bag of them. You can also get Botulism from fresh mushrooms that have been grown or have came into contact with soil or manure, so always wash or cut off the stem where it has come into contact with either.
Botulism is no joke if you get it and don't get immediate antitoxin you will likely die a horrific paralyzing death. So eat those dried mushies when they are still cracker dry, don't give them a chance to absorb moisture and start growing botulism, the spores can be ingested with no effects, it's when you open a sealed container with dried shrooms in it and allow them to absorb moisture from the air or other sources or when you fail to dry them completely is when you are in danger of getting sick.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/botulism
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14010771 - 02/22/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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So what would be the best way to store mushrooms that arent intended for consumption? Im in the process of cultivating and ive run into problems trying to store shrooms i bought in the past. I was thinking of drying them really well then grinding them up and putting some into chocolates and some into capsules, but i wanted to keep some whole
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: Thrill]
#14010915 - 02/22/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I myself would keep them in a paper bag, cardboard box, or wooden box with some silica gel packets,keep them in a dry area away from humidity such as fruiting chambers, and make sure they are all the way dry. If you store them in an air tight bag or container and there is any moisture present then you are creating the habitat for the spores to grow into botulism toxin, so a dry place with airflow is the best since the deadly spores only germinate in moist low oxygen environments.
If you have extra large stems it is a good idea to cut the stems in half lengthwise before drying them. And the main thing that you don't want to do is let them get moist and then eat them later, such as making tea with them and then deciding hours later you want to trip harder and eat the moistened shrooms. Always eat all of them immediately after exposed to moisture or throw them away.
The probability that the toxins are present are slim but I say better safe than dying of suffocation.
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14010924 - 02/22/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you notice that a once dry shroom is rubbery and has a funny smell it would probably be a good idea not to eat it.
You can buy silica gel packs from eBay very cheap, like 3 or 4 bucks for 50 packets.
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Edited by 3n1gm4 (02/22/11 11:31 PM)
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14011547 - 02/23/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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you probly have long spindly stems with little caps cuz of no fresh and and light.
try fixing that
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: starcade]
#14011569 - 02/23/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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starcade said: Yeah, they are hollow stems. bau hau than strain or whatever, cant spell that ching-chong bullshit name lol

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starcade said:
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Smirnoff said: that's a creepy signature pic man....
i thought it was fucking hillarious, personally. i respect anyone who is that die-hard about what they believe.
Dude I seriously had a class 2 years ago at college and took a great works class that required us to write a 10 page semester paper over a photograph and this was the one she drew my name for...
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: shroomtastic89]
#14011828 - 02/23/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been getting under a 10% average with mushroom weight.....usually around 8% but has been lower and the only time I had 10% or over was when it was just pins or a real small picking, whenever I have a decent picking it seems to always be under 10%.
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Re: what could cause dry weight to be lower than 10% of the wet? [Re: TheCannabisSativa]
#14011840 - 02/23/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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sorry for the double post but that is a pretty low percentage you got (5% if you got 18 dry out of 360 wet). I've never gotten lower then 7.0% but seems like it could happen.
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