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Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot
#14008065 - 02/22/11 03:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know how to embed the vid at this link, so you'll have to go there and click on it yourselves. Worth it, though.
She asks this guy flat out, at least three times in a row, if he condones the fraud that his union members are perpetrating in cahoots with certain doctors: the submission of fraudulent medical certificates. The union boss completely ignores the question and plows ahead with his canned, turgid, memorized talking points about how the state governor is a dictator or something. No matter how much she pushes the guy, he just ignores the question and blathers on.
So she gives up on that one, noting that her audience will be forced to draw its own conclusions about his unwillingness to answer, and moves on to other points, which he again completely sidesteps.
An absolutely classic example of stonewalling from a textbook specimen union boss. It would be almost impossible for a movie producer to have filmed a made-up scene in a movie which would make union bosses look worse. Just what this guy thought he was accomplishing is beyond me.
Oh... and the anchorette is pretty easy on the eyes, too.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Phred]
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http://patterico.com/2011/02/21/doctors-playing-with-fire-in-wisconsin/#more-56146
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The first thing to get is that this is very likely to be fraud. If we assume that these doctors handed out fake notes, and we assume that teachers will hand those notes in to 1) keep their jobs, and 2) obtain pay for the time they have taken off to strike, then that is fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud and/or accessory to fraud.
So first the state ethics board could make an issue out of this. Now most state agencies don’t have all the time in the world to investigate every single alleged violation of doctor’s ethics. I would go as far as to say that they probably have never gone after anyone for a fake doctor’s note before. But the very brazen nature of this conduct might make them willing to make an example out of them. Bodies like this do not like open lawlessness.
Second, naturally there could be criminal liability for the teachers and doctors. Depending on how the statute is written and the specifics of their conduct, the doctors could be guilty of fraud themselves. And even if not, they are likely to be seen as accessories or conspirators with the teachers who would definitely be committing fraud.
Third, they face potential civil liabilities. If the state gives money to a teacher because of these notes then the state would have a cause of action against the teacher and any accessories or co-conspirators. Doing a (very) quick check of state law, Wisconsin doesn’t appear to have civil conspiracy statute, but they do have a common law rule prohibiting civil conspiracies. But that depends on a state willing to sue, which might be not be forthcoming if local school administrators are sympathetic to the strike.
The pure mind numbing stupid of the liberal mindset and the unmitigated greed of these fuckers that they think they can commit fraud in broad daylight............ And any local school administrators who are sympathetic need to be fired. Immediately.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: zappaisgod]
#14009440 - 02/22/11 07:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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its not called fixed news for nothing...
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Annapurna1]
#14009754 - 02/22/11 08:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's fucking stupid, people in non-union jobs fake sick days all the time. Yet somehow this is supposed to be controversial? Perhaps the reason the Union prez didn't respond to her is because her question was fucking rediculous. Sorry, but if I was ever on fox news and they asked me an asinine question like this I would definitely skip answering it to say something intelligent.
In reality the reason why people take sick days as vacation days is not because they are or are in a union (though having sick days is something more prevalent in unionized workplaces), but instead because there is actually economic incentive to take them sometimes even in the stead of vacation days. I remember my dad recently explaining to me how he felt like a sucker for not taking his sick days as vacation days and banking his paid vacation for overtime pay (not explaining further) after receiving a congratulatory notice that he was one of only a single digit percentile of his regional workforce who was able to keep from having nearly any sick days all year. For example if people who never claimed their sick days received a bonus for not claiming them they would probibly not use them for vacations... however this might not be a good idea because they might not use them when they are sick either.
Either way the premise of the OP here is completely retarded, is anyone ever worked in a non-union place for more than a few months where someone didn't call into work sick when they were on a vacation or actually just didn't want to come in? (before you answer, if you say yes I'm gonna call you naive) I don't even think that the receiving of sick pay is much of a factor in the matter, IME many places without sick days have people who skip out or vacation and say they were sick. Yet for some reason the media of the right-wing windbags attacks the unions for a problem endemic to union/non-union sick-pay/non-sick-pay workplaces. Sounds like they are just framing the issue so they can provide ideological support for attacks on workers rights and current ongoing struggles over collective bargaining rights.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: ScavengerType] 1
#14011983 - 02/23/11 04:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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> That's fucking stupid, people in non-union jobs fake sick days all the time.
Perhaps some people fake a sick day some times for a day off. The difference being the union members are all faking sick at the same time in order to strike without losing their jobs for violating their union contract. Surely you can tell the difference between the two.
> Perhaps the reason the Union prez didn't respond to her is because her question was fucking rediculous.
If the question were "rediculous" (sic), then why didn't he answer it to show how "rediculous" it was? Actually, the question was rather apropos, which is why he avoided it. Any answer he gave would have condemned the union's action (an fraudulent sick-out), something which he could not admit. The only choice left was to avoid making any statement, which is exactly what he did.
> In reality the reason why people take sick days
A rather large generalization, I assume based upon your own work ethic. I do not believe that I have ever taken a vacation on sick leave over three decades of working. Over the last eight years, since I have been doing my companies payroll, I don't know of a single one of my employees that has taken a sick day in place of a vacation. One of my employees is on an unpaid vacation right now, and has plenty of sick leave to cover it were he to lie, but he opted to be honest.
It is rather offensive of you to stereotype all workers into your own lazy view of the world. Not all of us are as unethical as you seem to think.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: ScavengerType]
#14012144 - 02/23/11 06:41 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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ScavengerType said: That's fucking stupid, people in non-union jobs fake sick days all the time. Yet somehow this is supposed to be controversial? Perhaps the reason the Union prez didn't respond to her is because her question was fucking rediculous.
So he doesn't like the question so he just ignores it and duplicitly speaks of vague generalities and "save the children" bullshit, posturing it as if it was resonsive?
If he had refused to answer the question on some particular stated grounds then that would be one thing, but this is just idiotic. Its reminiscint of the Couric-Palin interview- direct questions and stupid pointless blabbering about nonsense.
That guy lost all credibility and failed to make a single point- he couldn't explain the crap he said when directly pushed to how the governor was acting "dictatorial" as he claimed, and he had plenty of time to do so despite being uncooperative. The conspiracy forum regulars make better arguments than that guy, and that's saying something.
I don't think what teachers do while on strike really has much to do with the issue, but he is the head of the union which backs the strikes, so its not exactly out of left field.
Either way, the process of getting a "sick note" is pretty ridiculous, and I hope the schools aren't pushing that. The sick person should not be forced to pay for a doctor (well, these are teachers, so the state pays) who a reasonable person is well aware cannot do jack shit for the most common ailments causing people to miss work. Further, the ER should not be turned into some glorified nanny that writes notes for sick people, nor should primary care docs. There's seldom a damn thing a doctor could say other than the patient complained of xyz, and that sort of information a) should not be demanded by the employer, and b) could be relayed by the person directly.
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Seuss said: I do not believe that I have ever taken a vacation on sick leave over three decades of working. Over the last eight years, since I have been doing my companies payroll, I don't know of a single one of my employees that has taken a sick day in place of a vacation.
Interesting. I sure have, but have never lied about it. When I really have stuff I need to be doing, I make sure work is cool, and then just call off. I don't claim I'm sick, I claim I'm not coming in. I've never had a problem doing that, including when i worked at a hospital.. I just told them I was calling off unless they were really short (though I covered more than my share of emergency staff shortages, so I don't really care even if they did have a problem with it, I was only a per diem employee anyways) I had an overzelous supervisor take offense when i told her "no, I'm not sick" in response to her inquiry, but I personally think being honest about things like that should be respected somewhat, especially when the employee has a good record and helps out on short notice all the time.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: johnm214]
#14012235 - 02/23/11 07:48 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Interesting. I sure have, but have never lied about it. When I really have stuff I need to be doing,
The closest I have had is employees calling in hung over... which is a pretty legitimate "sickness", even though it is self-induced. We have a few "personal day" vacation days built into our schedule each year... these make up for some of the holidays that we work, allowing employees a day off when they really need/want it. These are not traditional vacation days, in that they don't carry over from year to year, etc.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Seuss]
#14012299 - 02/23/11 08:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why should anybody want to have paid days off, anyway? Why not just eliminate them and get paid more in base? Then you can make your own decision about sacrificing pay for days off. You can negotiate a number of optional days to take off with no pay, for instance 10 vacation and 5 sick days, per year without fear of losing your job but to be locked in to vacation days and sick days with a commensurate loss of pay is anti-freedom. Why should a person who would rather work 52/40 be compelled to forfeit the opportunity to make more money than someone who only works 49/40?
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: zappaisgod]
#14012321 - 02/23/11 08:30 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why should anybody want to have paid days off, anyway? Why not just eliminate them and get paid more in base? Then you can make your own decision about sacrificing pay for days off. You can negotiate a number of optional days to take off with no pay, for instance 10 vacation and 5 sick days, per year without fear of losing your job but to be locked in to vacation days and sick days with a commensurate loss of pay is anti-freedom. Why should a person who would rather work 52/40 be compelled to forfeit the opportunity to make more money than someone who only works 49/40?
I agree, and Ill never understand it. The only thing I can come up with, after asking many people about this, is that the worker likes to be stupid and coddled and doesnt want to take responsibility of their own finances. Its pathetic.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Seuss]
#14012340 - 02/23/11 08:35 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, maybe my situation is different, or perhaps your employees really are that virtuous.
All my jobs have been part time or per diem (filling in shortages) while I was attending school (highschool or college), and have always been hourly or commision, so its not like I was getting paid for my absenteeism. I did get a personal day at a union job I held, though they didn't give part timers like me much unless you were with them for a long time (they care about length of employment, not whether you do a damn thing, lol).
With the union job, the place was way overstaffed with a bunch of guys who didn't do crap, and I probably had less incentive to be at work on the nght before an exam. If I knew they had enough people (always), then I just called off- I was well within the policy and my coworkers who didn't do anything at all while they were there, all had way more call offs than I.
When I worked for small buisnesses doing landscaping or similar and I knew they needed me, I never called off even if I was sick. But, working in a union environment where merit is not compensated kinda makes you not care about coming in when you have an exam the next day.
I think the main thing is to be honest and reasonable, which I think is more important. My employers knew, or should have known, I told them the truth (and I don't I should have to lie if I need a day off and such is within policy and not a problem for them). The same can not be said about many of my coworkers- they happened to be "sick" quite a lot.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Seuss]
#14012511 - 02/23/11 09:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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If people do this as part of a work action it's better than people just doing it in general. However, calling this fraud is hardly fair, not that I'm surprised to see fox make these accusations. These people had to demonstrate and the doctors volunteered their time in solidarity to help people protect their rights to work action. The action of the workers is no more fraudulent than trying to pass union busting legislation under the premise of budget cuts.
The question that the FOX anchor pressed was a loaded question and was in this manner ridiculous. Further the Union pres did actually answer it even if he did not use a yes or no response. He said "no one wanted to be off of work, but many of us knew we had to be in Madison to protect our students from this governor." but the reason why the fraud question is ridiculous is that she does not ask him anything about his union or the demonstration and instead she launches a series of loaded questions accusing the unions of "forcing parents to pay for daycare" or "committing fraud" in order to demonstrate. These questions are complete bullshit, something that in other countries could only come from a state run media system, a truism for FNC. People go on Fox all the time to try to get their point across but are forced by pundits to talk about non-issues, this guy has close to gamed the system by ignoring this pundit's verbal trolling with loaded questions.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: ScavengerType]
#14012591 - 02/23/11 09:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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The question that the FOX anchor pressed was a loaded question and was in this manner ridiculous.
How so? What was loaded about it? I don't see where it presupposed anything whatosever, she meerly asked if the Union endorsed the actions of its members. If that story had been in the news, I certainly see it as appopriate to ask the Union boss supporting the action whether he supports that particular portion of it.
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Further the Union pres did actually answer it even if he did not use a yes or no response. He said "no one wanted to be off of work, but many of us knew we had to be in Madison to protect our students from this governor."
How did that answer? That nobody wanted to be off work and that they were off work for a stated reason, does not resolve the issue of whether the behavior identified has supported by the Union.
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but the reason why the fraud question is ridiculous is that she does not ask him anything about his union or the demonstration and instead she launches a series of loaded questions
What were the series of loaded questions? She asked an introductory remark about a topic that she said was in the news recently. It seemed to me that it would be a prefunctory mention of the controversy and his denial of any association with the union or whatever his thoughts were, and then moving on the other things. That he refused to answer the question and made irrelevant time-consuming speeches, made it impossible for any other matters to be addressed. Your claim that it was the only matter addressed seems strange given that it was his obstructions and grandstanding that stopped the interview.
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accusing the unions of "forcing parents to pay for daycare" or "committing fraud" in order to demonstrate.
I do not recall this being said. Please state where the anchor makes these accusations.
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These questions are complete bullshit, something that in other countries could only come from a state run media system, a truism for FNC. People go on Fox all the time to try to get their point across but are forced by pundits to talk about non-issues, this guy has close to gamed the system by ignoring this pundit's verbal trolling with loaded questions.
This claim seems a bit ridiculous. Fox is a private company and at least covers the news, which state ran media generally doesn't. As far as I can see, you simply didn't like the posture of the questions and so are lableing the network in such a manner, which strikes me as absurd. How is their failure to conform to your preferences akin to being similar to state ran propaganda stations?
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: johnm214]
#14012660 - 02/23/11 09:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not saying what these teacher's did was right, but why is it that the fact that Walker created this whole mess by cutting taxes is mentioned by no one. Wisconsin was in pretty good shape beforehand.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Phred]
#14012981 - 02/23/11 11:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, okay. Hey, you want to talk about mindless responses, check out Walker's official response to the potentially career-ruining prank call he got yesterday:
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"The Governor takes many calls everyday. Throughout this call the Governor maintained his appreciation for and commitment to civil discourse. He continued to say that the budget repair bill is about the budget. The phone call shows that the Governor says the same thing in private as he does in public and the lengths that others will go to disrupt the civil debate Wisconsin is having."
                    
Actually, I believe what he said was that he just wants to look like Reagan, his only plan is to trick the Democrats into entering the statehouse under false pretenses, and that he wants to use phony agitators to undermine the civil debate.
So it's kind of like, if you say the exact opposite of everything in that statement, it's true.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: jimbotron]
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jimbotron said: Yeah, okay. Hey, you want to talk about mindless responses, check out Walker's official response to the potentially career-ruining prank call he got yesterday:
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"The Governor takes many calls everyday. Throughout this call the Governor maintained his appreciation for and commitment to civil discourse. He continued to say that the budget repair bill is about the budget. The phone call shows that the Governor says the same thing in private as he does in public and the lengths that others will go to disrupt the civil debate Wisconsin is having."
                    
Actually, I believe what he said was that he just wants to look like Reagan, his only plan is to trick the Democrats into entering the statehouse under false pretenses, and that he wants to use phony agitators to undermine the civil debate.
So it's kind of like, if you say the exact opposite of everything in that statement, it's true.
Career ruining prank? Whose career is potentially ruined? The caller's?
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/walker_office_confirms_governor_fell_for_koch_pran.php
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A little later in the call, "Koch" offers to help.
"What we were thinking about the crowds, was planting some trouble makers," "Koch" says.
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Well, the only problem, because we thought about that, my only gut reaction to that would be, right now, the lawmakers I've talked to have just completely had it with them. The public is not really fond of this. The teachers union did some polling and focus groups, I think, and found out that the public turned on them the minute they closed school down for a couple days. The guys we have left are largely from out of state, and I keep dismissing it in my press comment saying, 'eh, they're mostly from out of state.'" [...] I'm saying hey, 'we can handle this, people can protest, this is Madison, you know, full of the 60s liberals.' Let them protest. It's not going to affect us. And as long as we go back to our homes, and the majority of people are telling us we're doing the right thing, let them protest all they want.
Apparently this, "he wants to use phony agitators to undermine the civil debate", is a complete lie on your part. Just like the caller was a complete liar.
What false pretenses is he luring them back with? Promising to change the bill? I didn't hear that and it isn't his bill to change, it is the legislatures.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: johnm214]
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Somewhere around half way through the vid she shifts the phrasing the way I said though she calls it fraud right from the beginning.
The assumption in the first question is that the unions members are committing fraud, calling this "fraud" is a use of loaded language (all of the phrasings of her badgering contain loaded language), the purpose of this loaded language is to phrase the question in a way where he either supports his union or is a criminal or supports his union or wants to hurt families (a false assumption as he does explain). Further, because of his position he can't legally say his obvious answer to the first question, so expecting him to answer it with a direct affirmative or negative IS ridiculous. He explained his position as clearly as possible and did so by redirecting the question to the supposition that fox is peddling in this segment that the unions are in the wrong and the government in the right.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: ScavengerType]
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http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/23/wisconsin-licensing-board-reviewing-doctors-notes-from-protestors/
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Call it karma, just desserts, or schadenfreude. The cost to taxpayers of doctors’ notes excusing Wisconsin teachers from work so that they don’t get fired for illegally walking out on classes has been estimated at $6 million. Watching Big Government crack down on Big Labor? Priceless:
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Staff at the state Department of Regulation and Licensing have begun to review roughly 300 e-mail complaints about doctors issuing excuse notes for protesters at the state Capitol over the weekend, officials said Tuesday.
Complaints that name a specific doctor and the alleged violations of rules covered by their licenses will be forwarded to the Wisconsin Medical Examining Board. Letters specifying the complaint will be sent to the doctors at the start of the investigation. ….
Officials with the Madison and Milwaukee school districts also plan to scrutinize doctor’s notes presented to excuse absences during the protests. Because of the large number of teacher absences, Madison schools were closed for four days, and Milwaukee schools were closed for one.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: ScavengerType]
#14013204 - 02/23/11 12:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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ScavengerType said: If people do this as part of a work action it's better than people just doing it in general. However, calling this fraud is hardly fair, not that I'm surprised to see fox make these accusations. These people had to demonstrate and the doctors volunteered their time in solidarity to help people protect their rights to work action. The action of the workers is no more fraudulent than trying to pass union busting legislation under the premise of budget cuts.
The question that the FOX anchor pressed was a loaded question and was in this manner ridiculous. Further the Union pres did actually answer it even if he did not use a yes or no response. He said "no one wanted to be off of work, but many of us knew we had to be in Madison to protect our students from this governor." but the reason why the fraud question is ridiculous is that she does not ask him anything about his union or the demonstration and instead she launches a series of loaded questions accusing the unions of "forcing parents to pay for daycare" or "committing fraud" in order to demonstrate. These questions are complete bullshit, something that in other countries could only come from a state run media system, a truism for FNC. People go on Fox all the time to try to get their point across but are forced by pundits to talk about non-issues, this guy has close to gamed the system by ignoring this pundit's verbal trolling with loaded questions.
ill go even farther than that and claim thats not even a real interview.. but rather that fixed news just C/Ped the video together...i know that sounds crazy..unless your talking about fox noise...
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Annapurna1]
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ill go even farther than that and claim thats not even a real interview.. but rather that fixed news just C/Ped the video together...
Of course you will.
Your meds. Take them. Now. For the love of all that's holy, and for the well-being of yourself and all those within your immediate reach, I am seriously beseeching you to take them.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Phred]
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ill go even farther than that and claim thats not even a real interview.. but rather that fixed news just C/Ped the video together...
Of course you will.
Your meds. Take them. Now. For the love of all that's holy, and for the well-being of yourself and all those within your immediate reach, I am seriously beseeching you to take them.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Phred]
#14013329 - 02/23/11 12:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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haha yea cause you'd never grossly misrepresent what went on in that interview right? The only difference is she was kidding.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: ScavengerType]
#14013433 - 02/23/11 01:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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i find it quite amusing that anyone (even hard-core shills like zappa &co) would put it past fixed news to fake something...
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: zappaisgod]
#14014432 - 02/23/11 03:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Apparently this, "he wants to use phony agitators to undermine the civil debate", is a complete lie on your part. Just like the caller was a complete liar.
What false pretenses is he luring them back with? Promising to change the bill? I didn't hear that and it isn't his bill to change, it is the legislatures.
I'm not sure why TPM snipped out the most damning part of the exchange. Let me fix it:
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Well, the only problem, because we thought about that, my only gut reaction to that would be, right now, the lawmakers I've talked to have just completely had it with them. The public is not really fond of this. The teachers union did some polling and focus groups, I think, and found out that the public turned on them the minute they closed school down for a couple days. The guys we have left are largely from out of state, and I keep dismissing it in my press comment saying, 'eh, they're mostly from out of state.'"
My only fear would be if there was a ruckus caused, is that that would scare the public into thinking, "maybe the governor's got to settle in order to avoid all these problems."
I'm saying hey, 'we can handle this, people can protest, this is Madison, you know, full of the 60s liberals.' Let them protest. It's not going to affect us. And as long as we go back to our homes, and the majority of people are telling us we're doing the right thing, let them protest all they want.
So his, quote, "only fear" is that people might expect him to accept the union's concessions and defuse his own contrived violent situation, and that wouldn't really mesh with his hardline stance.
Well, that sounds perfectly... logical. But that's not really the point, now is it?
Btw, is James O'Keefe dating a prostitute? If not, what are you going on about liars for?
And have you ever seen a successful piece of investigative journalism that begins with "Hi, I'm an investigative journalist"? If so, please link it.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: jimbotron]
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zappaisgod said: Apparently this, "he wants to use phony agitators to undermine the civil debate", is a complete lie on your part. Just like the caller was a complete liar.
What false pretenses is he luring them back with? Promising to change the bill? I didn't hear that and it isn't his bill to change, it is the legislatures.
I'm not sure why TPM snipped out the most damning part of the exchange. Let me fix it:
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Well, the only problem, because we thought about that, my only gut reaction to that would be, right now, the lawmakers I've talked to have just completely had it with them. The public is not really fond of this. The teachers union did some polling and focus groups, I think, and found out that the public turned on them the minute they closed school down for a couple days. The guys we have left are largely from out of state, and I keep dismissing it in my press comment saying, 'eh, they're mostly from out of state.'"
My only fear would be if there was a ruckus caused, is that that would scare the public into thinking, "maybe the governor's got to settle in order to avoid all these problems."
I'm saying hey, 'we can handle this, people can protest, this is Madison, you know, full of the 60s liberals.' Let them protest. It's not going to affect us. And as long as we go back to our homes, and the majority of people are telling us we're doing the right thing, let them protest all they want.
So his, quote, "only fear" is that people might expect him to accept the union's concessions and defuse his own contrived violent situation, and that wouldn't really mesh with his hardline stance.
You really don't understand English all that well, do you? He said:
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Well, that sounds perfectly... logical. But that's not really the point, now is it?
Btw, is James O'Keefe dating a prostitute? If not, what are you going on about liars for?
I am not aware of James O'Keefe's dating habits. Do you think these are equivalent?
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: zappaisgod]
#14014582 - 02/23/11 03:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am not aware of James O'Keefe's dating habits. Do you think these are equivalent?
Um... yes. I do.
Despite popular myths to the contrary, James O' Keefe never claimed to be a pimp during his ACORN 'sting', nor did he dress like one; he merely edited audio and video after-the-fact to give that impression. So I didn't want to ask whether or not James O' Keefe is a pimp, because he never represented himself as such, aside from when he showed up on Fox News wearing a pimp costume that he never wore at any point during his 'sting'.
He did, however, claim that Hannah Giles, his 'girlfriend' was a prostitute. I can't say for sure that she isn't a whore, but she is definitely not his girlfriend.
If I search for posts by you containing 'acorn' I find dozens. None of them condemn James O' Keefe as a scummy little liar, even though he told bigger lies and more of them to many more people.
Maybe I'm just missing them.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: jimbotron]
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I am not aware of James O'Keefe's dating habits. Do you think these are equivalent?
Um... yes. I do.
Despite popular myths to the contrary, James O' Keefe never claimed to be a pimp during his ACORN 'sting', nor did he dress like one; he merely edited audio and video after-the-fact to give that impression. So I didn't want to ask whether or not James O' Keefe is a pimp, because he never represented himself as such, aside from when he showed up on Fox News wearing a pimp costume that he never wore at any point during his 'sting'.
He did, however, claim that Hannah Giles, his 'girlfriend' was a prostitute. I can't say for sure that she isn't a whore, but she is definitely not his girlfriend.
If I search for posts by you containing 'acorn' I find dozens. None of them condemn James O' Keefe as a scummy little liar, even though he told bigger lies and more of them to many more people.
Maybe I'm just missing them.
Didn't you just say O'Keefe never posed as a pimp? Now I ask you this. Did anything Walker said endorse an illegal act or refuse t report an illegal act?
By the way, did O'Keefe impersonate a specific person? No, he did not. Maybe Koch should burn the little cunt for identity theft.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Phred]
#14060176 - 03/03/11 01:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Heh. I think I really like this anchorwoman. She's pretty sharp. It doesn't hurt that she's seriously easy on the eyes, too.
Once again, I don't know how to embed vids from Eyeblast, so you'll have to go here and click on the link to see her duelling with the execrable waste of human flesh Anthony Weiner.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: zappaisgod]
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The first thing to get is that this is very likely to be fraud. If we assume that these doctors handed out fake notes, and we assume that teachers will hand those notes in to 1) keep their jobs, and 2) obtain pay for the time they have taken off to strike, then that is fraud, conspiracy to commit fraud and/or accessory to fraud.
So first the state ethics board could make an issue out of this. Now most state agencies don’t have all the time in the world to investigate every single alleged violation of doctor’s ethics. I would go as far as to say that they probably have never gone after anyone for a fake doctor’s note before. But the very brazen nature of this conduct might make them willing to make an example out of them. Bodies like this do not like open lawlessness.
Second, naturally there could be criminal liability for the teachers and doctors. Depending on how the statute is written and the specifics of their conduct, the doctors could be guilty of fraud themselves. And even if not, they are likely to be seen as accessories or conspirators with the teachers who would definitely be committing fraud.
Third, they face potential civil liabilities. If the state gives money to a teacher because of these notes then the state would have a cause of action against the teacher and any accessories or co-conspirators. Doing a (very) quick check of state law, Wisconsin doesn’t appear to have civil conspiracy statute, but they do have a common law rule prohibiting civil conspiracies. But that depends on a state willing to sue, which might be not be forthcoming if local school administrators are sympathetic to the strike.
The pure mind numbing stupid of the liberal mindset and the unmitigated greed of these fuckers that they think they can commit fraud in broad daylight............ And any local school administrators who are sympathetic need to be fired. Immediately.
I agree completely. TAKE THEM OUT.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Screaming Eagle]
#14064698 - 03/04/11 04:38 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think I ever read anything positive in this forum, ever.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Phred]
#14064868 - 03/04/11 06:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Phred said: Heh. I think I really like this anchorwoman. She's pretty sharp.
I'm no fan of Fox but I can appreciate the fact that Megyn Kelly gives these people a chance to commit to their stance before she kicks them in their congressman
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14066220 - 03/04/11 01:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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she regularly appears on TDS and TCR... though not as a guest. Frankly I don't think your thinking with your brains on this one.
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Re: Anchorwoman exposes union boss as mindless pre-programmed bot [Re: ScavengerType]
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Why? She kicked that moron's ass into oblivion. Or do you think that because she is blond and hot she is an idiot?
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