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girlfriend/drugs advice please.
    #14006678 - 02/22/11 10:34 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

hi guys. I made this account so I can get a little advice to help me deal with a problem.
so basically, I'm fairly straightedge, I drink, but I dont smoke pot or any of that other shit. but..my girlfriend (whom I love very much) grew up smoking pot and getting fucked up with her friends. she has recently started taking shrooms and e a couple months before that. this is what I need advice with.. im fine with her smoking pot, but I don't agree with ecstasy or shrooms. I fear that this will eventually fuck up our relationship, and I don't want that. it just seems that these things are her top priority, but I know she loves me as much as I do her.
is there something someone can tell me to help me accept this? or something that will change her mind about e? the side effects FAR outweigh the pleasures, but she doesn't listen to me.

I'd like to know if there are any physically or mentally bad things to come out of shrooms also.
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask any of this, but I figured I'd try.
thank you in advance.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: link1490]
    #14006686 - 02/22/11 10:35 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Sounds like she's headed down a different path.
Either follow her, or let her go.
Is my advice.


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Re: gitlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: link1490]
    #14006692 - 02/22/11 10:38 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

The only way for you to TRULY understand what she finds so appealing about doing these drugs is to try them yourself.  No one is saying keep doing it, but that is the ONLY way you'll EVER know FOR SURE what it is like.  Reading about drugs and stories about them can only do so much.

At least if you had an open mind, you could try them once, and see what all the fuss is about and know FIRST HAND what the deal is.  At least then you can speak from personal experience before condemning what she is doing and maybe she'll be more open to listening to you telling her not to.

That's the best advise I can give you.  Until you try it yourself you really don't have anywhere to stand to tell her not to.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: link1490]
    #14006693 - 02/22/11 10:38 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Unless she is taking E all day every day, it won't damage her body in the way you're thinking about.  As far as mushrooms go, I'm not aware of any negative physical reactions (unless they grew in contaminated substrate, which doesn't happen frequently). 

The issue you need to deal with isn't the effect on her health, but the effect on how YOU feel about YOUR relationship with her.  These drugs will not (likelY) make her do anything to fuck up your relationship that she wouldn't do sober, or drunk.  But if her actions are causing you that much angst, then you should just break it off as a result of incompatable interests.  :shrug:

Hope this helps, it might not, sry.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: link1490]
    #14006708 - 02/22/11 10:43 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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link1490 said:
the side effects FAR outweigh the pleasures, but she doesn't listen to me.






This is your problem right here. What she is taking is not as harmful as the alcohol you don't mind drinking.

The best advice - educate yourself, read some of the latest scientific studies concerning MDMA (the main ingredient in e usually).

If you are just worried about the potential dangers, then educating yourself will alleviate them.

And yes, try it. Try MDMA with her. Together. Just the two of you alone.
I guarantee your relationship will be changed forever (in a good way).


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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14006726 - 02/22/11 10:50 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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tymoteusz3 said:
And yes, try it. Try MDMA with her. Together. Just the two of you alone.
I guarantee your relationship will be changed forever (in a good way).




Exactly.  You want to be on the same level as your girl?  Here's your advice.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14006746 - 02/22/11 10:55 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

but what if I have always been against trying these things? it may seem like a closed minded way to be, but I feel like I'd be disappointing alot of people.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: memes]
    #14006769 - 02/22/11 11:02 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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link1490 said:
but what if I have always been against trying these things? it may seem like a closed minded way to be, but I feel like I'd be disappointing alot of people.



Quote:

meams said:
But if her actions are causing you that much angst, then you should just break it off as a result of incompatable interests.  :shrug:





Take your pick:  your values, or your relatinoship.  THey dont seem to be coexisting well.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14006770 - 02/22/11 11:02 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

ive been smoking pot for ten years now and ill be 24 soon..  i go to college have a nice life and it dont effect me in a bad way really..  i also like to trip on shrooms every once in a while..  ive done all the synthetic drugs like coke meth lsd..  but in the end its the ones that come from mother earth that serve the best purpose to me..  shrooms and weed will not hurt her but if you have an open mind and embrace what god has given you and not accept what society has made you believe to be true than you will be able and ready to take on a first trip..  i highly recommend you letting your love guide you on your first experience with mushrooms you will be infinitely closer to her..  you will know so much more about the world around you and the girl your with..  it will feel so good as long as you dont have anxiety and trip out because your trippin..  trust that girl or live a square life..  i promise youll be ok and what do you have to lose really?  the x on your hand?  and if not than in order for it to work you just gotta be in the dark and just deal with it...  but if you are scared or against it think about why..  the first time i did shrooms i was so enlightened and i had a glow for weeks after..  shrooms in particular are not your typical "drug" for me its more like a teacher..  but you may never know..  this is where your path splits my friend..:wink: good luck!


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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: link1490]
    #14006784 - 02/22/11 11:04 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I think the real question is why are you against these things?
There is nothing to say that you can be responsible and use certain compounds. Not everyone who uses drugs is an addict.

If you are worried about the health issues, please read and educate yourself on the real dangers.
But then again, if you are worried about health issues you would not want to drink alcohol.

The only reason you are against these things it seems is because all your life you have been told they are bad. But that does not necessarily mean they are bad.
You have a choice in life - make your own informed decisions or follow what everyone else says like a sheep.

That is why I suggest you research and educate yourself. Try it. Then you can make that informed decision based on YOUR experience.

If you take the path in life to make your own decisions, I can guarantee you will have a much more fulfilling life. However it requires you to use your mind, instead of just doing what others tell you too.


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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14006853 - 02/22/11 11:21 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

i don't know why I'm against them. I don't think it has anything to do with "OH IT'S BAD DON'T DO IT" I couldn't care less what other people do, but sometimes she can get depressed, or seem to not give a fuck about anything. I'm just concerned for her. and I just don't want it being all she ever does.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: link1490]
    #14006867 - 02/22/11 11:26 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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link1490 said:
but sometimes she can get depressed, or seem to not give a fuck about anything.



This is a result of her emotional well-being, not her drug use.

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and I just don't want it being all she ever does



Don't distance yourself from her NOW as a result of things she might do in teh FUTURE.  Cross that bridge if/when you come to it.





Sounds like theres some maturity issues here on your part, link.  Not saying your immature, just that you're entering a realm of existance that you haven't previously had any experience with, and consequently don't know how to navigate.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: memes]
    #14006921 - 02/22/11 11:40 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

"Sounds like theres some maturity issues here on your part, link.  Not saying your immature, just that you're entering a realm of existance that you haven't previously had any experience with, and consequently don't know how to navigate."(idk how to quote lol)


I completely agree with this. I know this has something to do with it. I'm 21 and I guess sometimes I feel like I'm slightly behind others my age, when it comes to real-world shit.


and when she takes e, the day or two after, shes miserable. she doesn't have a completely stable mindset to begin with, so I don't think it helps to mess it up more.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: link1490]
    #14006931 - 02/22/11 11:42 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Yeah, being down after rolling happens.  Your body is flush with dopamine (or seratonin, i'm not a chemist) throughout the experience and has a bit of a deficit for the following day/two.

There are a few details that have been left out of this thread that will help us help you:
-How often does she take E
-How often does she take mushrooms
-How long have you been together
-How strongly are you against these things (scale of 1-10)

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: memes]
    #14006978 - 02/22/11 11:51 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

she does e occasionally..like, I'd say..two or three times a month. depending on how often she travels from queens to nj. and she did shrooms last week for the first time, and again last night. she did e three days in a row last month, which made her feel like complete shit.

we've known each other since this past august, and we officially got together last week, but it was like we were beforehand anyway, we're very close.

I'm not 100% against them. just the parts that make her, not her. and make her feel terrible.

I figured Id look online to try to understand and maybe help me get to the same level as her.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: link1490]
    #14007094 - 02/22/11 12:12 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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she does e occasionally..like, I'd say..two or three times a month. depending on how often she travels from queens to nj. and she did shrooms last week for the first time, and again last night. she did e three days in a row last month, which made her feel like complete shit.





She is not using that ecstacy responsibly at all. 3 days in a row!?!?! That's fucking horrible.
You should never roll more than once a month.

Shrooms and X are no big deal when they are used RESPONSIBLY. But when used irresponsibly they can fuck your world up.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14007127 - 02/22/11 12:18 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

once a month? can you give me details? so I have something legitimate to go by, as opposed to believing the first thing someone tells me.

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14007136 - 02/22/11 12:20 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Some people NEED to get high.  That is why the war on drugs is losing and will always be losing.

That may not be the case with your girlfriend; she may just like it a lot and enjoys doing it.

Alcohol is not a good way to get high.  The high isn't that good for many people and using it too much (more than a couple drinks daily) can cause serious health problems for anyone, starting with dependency.  I don’t believe alcohol is bad the way most people use it; having a drink at the end of a day, enjoying it with dinner or socially.  Alcohol is a bad choice for people that need that frequent or daily high and use it for such.

Alcohol is a "hard drug", just like tobacco, cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, etc. and isn't really a safe way to get a daily high for those that need to get high.

Psychedelics are "soft" drugs and do not lead to dependence.  The vast majority of people that use psychedelics do not use them for a daily high.  Psychedelics, including shrooms, cannot be used for a daily high, they just don't work that way, their effectiveness is greatly reduced on a second day.  It takes a few days before they become affective again but still most trippers wait a week to months before taking them again.  It is kind of like going to an amusement park, something that is best appreciated occasionally.

Pot has a small incidence of dependence but is still considered a "soft" drug.  Believe it or not, marijuana is a very good daily high for people that need that daily high.  The buzz is a lot more satisfying than an alcohol buzz, for those who enjoy it, and is easier to limit than alcohol when trying to get the buzz.  With pot, a smoker knows when he or she is buzzed enough but when drinking specifically for a buzz it seems that the buzz isn’t ever satisfying enough.

Getting high isn’t for everyone.  Not everyone likes to get high from substances.  But I firmly believe that some people need to get high.  There isn’t any better choice than marijuana for more than occasional use.  It has some side affects; all substances do but the risks are more negligible than any of the other substances people use to get high.

You don’t have to get high with your girlfriend to love her.  If you try to keep her from getting high you will likely induce some resentment on her part, which could lead to more problems.  She may try to hide it and become dishonest about it.  Honesty is better than a cat and mouse game. 

Relationships are “give and take”.  She probably has a lot more to give to you than what drug use takes from the relationship.  Many drugs are demons, when abused, but pot and psychedelics are not nearly as destructive as hard drugs.

The shroomery is actually a great place to get honest advice about drug use.  Many people here understand the bad side of substance abuse as well the recreational side.  Reality will always be somewhere between the pros and the cons.  Anti-drug propaganda will always make all drug use seem like the worst thing in life where drug users may believe their ways are the perfectly fine.  But the truth is (some) drugs aren’t nearly as bad as some people believe but more harmful than what others may believe.  There are plenty of other things in life that are just as harmful.

Try to discourage any “hard” drug use and become concerned if she starts abusing hard drugs, especially meth, cocaine, heroine or a dozen drinks a day.  Prefer marijuana daily to tobacco use as well (I hate being a tobacco smoker).

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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: link1490]
    #14007155 - 02/22/11 12:23 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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once a month? can you give me details? so I have something legitimate to go by, as opposed to believing the first thing someone tells me.





No there is no such rule that you can only use mdma once a month. Waiting a longer time will make the experience more special.
Sure it is better to space it out to every two weeks or so (what I do) but the people that argue this also argue that you should not drink more than once a month.

Also: Anonymous, why hide behind the anonymity?


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Re: girlfriend/drugs advice please. [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14007175 - 02/22/11 12:27 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

ya she is not acting very mature in her drug use and you should tell her that cause doing E three times a month is a lot of pressure on the body.


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