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OfflineSnarkyPuffs
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Breaking through my hard head...
    #14003074 - 02/21/11 06:22 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

So... I suspect that I have a naturally high tolerance to the active compounds in blue fungus which is odd because I am normally hypersensitive to chemicals (caffeine, the side-effects of normal prescription drugs, etc.).

It takes a minimum of 3+ grams for me to achieve a level 1-2 experience and I'm annoyed at the prospect of needing to up my dosage to ridiculous levels to have any sort of breakthrough experience.

I am not on any prescriptions and do not take any over the counter meds... I don't drink heavily and haven't smoked weed in years. Is there anything that I can do to help tune my brain to become more "accepting" of the chemicals or some other approach to overcoming my danged tolerance?

Thanks!

(and btw, I have experimented with a variety of substrains and experience the same resistance so that likely rules out a single batch of weak potency fungus)

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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: SnarkyPuffs]
    #14003102 - 02/21/11 06:28 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

ethnobotanical maios may help. Syrian rue or passiflora. Do research on the rue though. I've never tried it, but there are different ways to prepare it that can reduce side effects.


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14003219 - 02/21/11 06:48 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Also look into the lemon TEK. May increase intensity but may also reduce duration.

Worth looking into nevertheless, good luck with your endeavors!

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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: provo]
    #14003262 - 02/21/11 06:55 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I like piracetam, and a lot of people report good results.

But B.caapi + Lemon Tek should be good. :smile:


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: ifoundwaldo]
    #14006128 - 02/22/11 07:10 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Thanks all!

Yesterday I tried staggering/stacking doses/strains over the course of a day to see what would happen. 3 dried grams of PE at 1pm, 30 wet grams of cambodian at 4:30 and 3 dried of GT at 8pm... and although it was generally a pleasant experience, it never escalated beyond the state of a mild euphoria and a bit of syntax-disconnect in my speech and writing.

Without another trigger element in play, I think I'm going to have to try 5 or 6 grams on the next round.

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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: SnarkyPuffs]
    #14006228 - 02/22/11 07:59 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

You're dosing way to much, that's why you have a tolerance. Your suppose to dose 1 time, then wait at least 4 days to dose again. If you are dosing all the time you will definitely built up a strong tolerance fast.


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: Danner16]
    #14006279 - 02/22/11 08:19 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Yeah, that and you may have low quality mush.


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: Danner16]
    #14006312 - 02/22/11 08:37 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I have waited a minimum of a week between each attempt... yesterday was an isolated experimenting in stacking/combining to see what would happen.

And I have had the exact same reaction to four different substrains so far so it would be one hell of a coincidence that all four were low potency.

I'm not trying to be adversarial but neither time-off nor weak strain seem to be the problem here, the problem is in my BRAIN!


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: SnarkyPuffs]
    #14006443 - 02/22/11 09:16 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Yeah small doses throughout the day is definitely not the way to go. I've spread out some pretty large doses without much luck. Take em all at once.
I've got a pretty high tolerance too. I don't get much more tan a body high and maybe some walls breathing or whatever unless I take over 4grams.
If you had taken all that at once I guarantee you would have tripped some freaken balls, maybe too much.
Also how are you taking them?
Trying the lemon tek or an MAOI might be a good idea, although I haven't tried either. I do an orange juice tek(I guess you could call it that) and it does seem to heighten the effects so I would imagine lemon tek would be intense.


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: unfoldedbrain]
    #14006453 - 02/22/11 09:21 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I've tried a batch of dried fruits in a soup, chomped on fresh ones with orange juice/limeade, put dried powder in limeade... aside from the time that things begin, the effects have been pretty-much the same.

I think that I'll take your advice and try 4 at once next time vs. jumping straight to 5. (the weeklong wait in-between makes me impatient to rush the experiment) Baby steps!

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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: SnarkyPuffs]
    #14006574 - 02/22/11 10:01 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Use syrian rue or caapi along with them.


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14006633 - 02/22/11 10:20 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Try some acid and see if that opens you up.  I find with acid you can control how deep in the trip you really want to go, rather than mushrooms just sort of take you where they want you to go.  Once you get that eureka moment you can basically trip as hard as you want off of just a small amount of any psychedelic(including weed.)

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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #14007551 - 02/22/11 01:32 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

Midnight_Toker said:
Try some acid and see if that opens you up.  I find with acid you can control how deep in the trip you really want to go, rather than mushrooms just sort of take you where they want you to go.  Once you get that eureka moment you can basically trip as hard as you want off of just a small amount of any psychedelic(including weed.)



Wow man, you are really lucky.


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14007601 - 02/22/11 01:40 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Well if you are waiting then that's fine. Guess your just SOL take a bigger dose till you find out what it take to get you to where you need to go. Personally I have a high tolerance(minimum 7g trip), so I know what it's like to have to take alot. Lemon juice tek will definitely help you get the most out of your mushrooms(just be prepared to endure the taste). Good luck.


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: Midnight_Toker]
    #14012256 - 02/23/11 07:59 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

Midnight_Toker said:
Once you get that eureka moment you can basically trip as hard as you want off of just a small amount of any psychedelic(including weed.)




This has been my experience as well.  The amount I need to get there has definitely gone way down, and with the right type of weed I have some very psychedelic experiences as well.

My advice would be:
1)search and learn about MAOIs like syrian rue.  If 'the problem is in the brain' that is the cure.  In laymans terms it inhibits your body's ability to counteract the active ingredients.  If you go that route, don't start with 4 or 5 grams of shrooms with rue because you may be surprised at what you got yourself into!

2)maybe try acid or DMT to get a taste of the psychedelic experience and open up those "channels".  I think DMT use has accelerated my sensitivity.


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: gornyhuy]
    #14014767 - 02/23/11 04:16 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

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Quote:

Midnight_Toker said:
Once you get that eureka moment you can basically trip as hard as you want off of just a small amount of any psychedelic(including weed.)




This has been my experience as well.  The amount I need to get there has definitely gone way down, and with the right type of weed I have some very psychedelic experiences as well.

My advice would be:
1)search and learn about MAOIs like syrian rue.  If 'the problem is in the brain' that is the cure.  In laymans terms it inhibits your body's ability to counteract the active ingredients.  If you go that route, don't start with 4 or 5 grams of shrooms with rue because you may be surprised at what you got yourself into!

2)maybe try acid or DMT to get a taste of the psychedelic experience and open up those "channels".  I think DMT use has accelerated my sensitivity.




Thanks for the advice.

I went and read up on Syrian Rue and that option is definitely not for me... there are far too many potential toxic complications with diet, etc.

I'd give DMT or acid a whirl except that I'm not really in an environment where I generally bump into people with acid on a regular basis - so that's probably out as well. (the last time was 17 years ago)

I've actually had an interesting encounter with Salvia a few years back but I wouldn't call it a psychedelic experience - just a sudden wrenching jolt out of reality and then a drop-off that was just as sudden.

Anyhow... I guess for now I'll simply keep creeping up the mushroom dose and see if anything eventually gives. But I appreciate all the suggestions.

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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: SnarkyPuffs]
    #14126164 - 03/15/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Update.

Two weeks ago I tried an experiment of 2g of lemon tek'd chunks along with a couple of tokes (I haven't touched weed in years). I felt a much more significant kick in the head than previous occasions but it came with a lot of icky weed-baggage (hyper critical self-analysis and mild anxiety about work and obligations and such). It wasn't particularly enjoyable and even made me consider chucking out my fungus projects and giving up this whole pursuit but I reconsidered once sober.

So...

Last Saturday I had a tea made with 5grams of PE (and just to be SURE that I was getting all the vitamin P, I ate the swollen blobby bits in the cup... mmmmmm... mmmmmm... bad) and had a friend drive me to the park for the day. Had 5 very pleasant hours of walking about and chatting about whatever random thought crossed my mind... I've noticed that I walk like a drunk when dosed (even though I have no feeling of drunkenness) and kept wavering and bumping into my friend.

At any rate, I'd guess it was about a 2.5 on the trip-o-meter scale as the few times we slowed down enough for me to close my eyes and scope out the insides of my eyelids I was treated to some amazingly elaborate inner light shows (with the weird perception that I was actually seeing through my eyelids).

I guess the next round of this is going to be a step up to 6 grams of tea with a bit of lemon juice as part of the tea recipe. The plan is to go into cocoon mode this time - eye shades, dark room, solo plan and see what's what. I get the feeling that I'm getting there, it's just taking a lot of raw materials for blast-off.

Edited by SnarkyPuffs (03/15/11 05:28 PM)

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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: SnarkyPuffs]
    #14126240 - 03/15/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I suggest try tripping at night... And yes, sounds like 6-7 gm would be a good step...

Could also try Eat 3-4 gm, make tea with the rest.... Drink tea about 20 min after eating...


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: HarryL]
    #14126283 - 03/15/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think eyeshades dark room solo plan will be the way to go. I think I mentioned this before but you might try and maio like rue, caapi, or passiflora.


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Re: Breaking through my hard head... [Re: HarryL]
    #14126335 - 03/15/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Could also try Eat 3-4 gm, make tea with the rest.... Drink tea about 20 min after eating...




I hadn't heard of this approach before... what does staggering the intake like that accomplish?

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