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quick casing question
    #14005861 - 02/22/11 04:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am about to start my first grow soon and i want to go with the casing method. I was wondering could one use brf and verm to make casing just mix it like you do for the jars? I have noticed that a lot of people are using verm mixed with other things such as coir but will there really be that much of a difference in the end yeild? I thought the casing was not used for nutrients so i dont understand what would be the difference. any info on this would be greatly appreciated.thank you in advance.


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Re: quick casing question [Re: cosmo3]
    #14005882 - 02/22/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

when you crumble your cakes and spawn them to a mixture of coir/verm or manure or whatever...its not casing, its spawning to a substrate...casing is when you put a layer of peat/verm over the top to help with moisture....cubes do not require a casing...

also as far as the brf and verm you're talking about is not a good idea, you pasteurize your substrates that you want to spawn to., and you sterilize your brf/verm jars...


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Re: quick casing question [Re: cosmo3]
    #14005891 - 02/22/11 04:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think you may be slightly confused.

Pete/Verm = equals casing; which is intended to provide a moisture supply to the substrate underneath.

Substrate = BRF, Coir w/ additives, or H-Poo. This is where the mycillium derives its nutrient source from. Vermiculite is primarily used for hydration purposes. 

Spawn = WBS, Rye, etc....

What you want to do is  inoculate a grain spawn. Then when that spawn reaches 100% colonization you want to spawn it to a pasteurized bulk substrate. BRF is for cakes so you will want to go with Coir or Poo or something else if you want to case.

Then when your bulk substrate reaches 100% you can either Case it or fruit it straight.

If you case it you will need to pasteurize your 50/50 pete/verm and then apply a 1/2 inch casing layer. I would only recommend this if you live somewhere dry. Otherwize.... Just fruit it straight.


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Re: quick casing question [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14005938 - 02/22/11 05:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you for the Quick replys i fully understand now. What if I sterilized the brf and verm mix before using it as spawn substrate? Would the brf give it enough nutrients to grow just the same way it does when you take your cakes out of the jar and grow them as cakes?So this is what i am thinking when the mycelium is growing inside of the jars it uses brf and verm so when you are making bulk you are essentially expanding the size of the mycelium so you should be able to use the same thing you started it in as long as it is sterile because it is just growing bigger?    Thank you all for helping me with this subject.


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Re: quick casing question [Re: cosmo3]
    #14005941 - 02/22/11 05:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

im going to let someone else with more experience with cakes and brf answer this, i've only dabbed with it once or twice..i more or less went straight to grains.


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Re: quick casing question [Re: biologys]
    #14005950 - 02/22/11 05:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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im going to let someone else with more experience with cakes and brf answer this, i've only dabbed with it once or twice..i more or less went straight to grains.



I second that one. RR would be a better person to ask about that shit. I will add this though....

Mycillium will colonize a grain a lot faster than colonizing BRF. You can crumble your cakes and spawn them like rye or wbs to a bulk substrate.

It is just kind of counter productive b/c PF cakes are ready to fruit as is once they hit 100%.

PF cakes allow you to skip the spawning part all together. That is why they are used to get noobs familiar with the fungi life cycle.


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Re: quick casing question [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14005984 - 02/22/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ok, thank you both for your help. If anyone else has any ideas on this to they are greatly appreciated.


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Re: quick casing question [Re: cosmo3]
    #14005987 - 02/22/11 05:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i just saw RR post in another thread a few minutes ago so maybe he'll swing in here and answer your questions a bit more since we are really no help in this subject lol


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Re: quick casing question [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14005998 - 02/22/11 05:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You can make jars and use the colonized cakes as spawn.

Here is roadkill's Hpoo tek:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Growlog&Number=723303

It's a good transitional tek for moving from brf cakes to spawning.

You can also put the colonized cake in a ziplock bag and break it up into pieces of about the size of a dime. Then, put the brf pieces in a tray andput a casing layer over them. Wait a few days for colonization and put in your Fruiting Chamber.


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Re: quick casing question [Re: KingMob]
    #14006006 - 02/22/11 06:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You can also put the colonized cake in a ziplock bag and break it up into pieces of about the size of a dime. Then, put the brf pieces in a tray andput a casing layer over them. Wait a few days for colonization and put in your Fruiting Chamber.




The only reason to do that would be to practice casing. You are not adding any nutrients to the cakes by applying a casing layer to them so you will not yield any more by doing so. This falls under the "counter productive" category I was referring to before.


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Re: quick casing question [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14006013 - 02/22/11 06:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:imwithstupid: all you'r doing is adding an extra step that is not needed, the end product will be the same, and will take longer then if you just dunk and roll your cakes and fruit..


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Re: quick casing question [Re: biologys]
    #14006056 - 02/22/11 06:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ok but will i not get more fruits out of the cased sub because they will grow all the way across the top instead of just on the sides with like with the cakes?


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Re: quick casing question [Re: cosmo3]
    #14006089 - 02/22/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

your yeild will be the same if you crumble and case or if you fruit as cakes, now if you spawn to coir, or manure then your yeild will be greater..


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Re: quick casing question [Re: biologys]
    #14006525 - 02/22/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thank all of you. so this is what i found.... Methodcase tek
I was thinking of doing this and adding brf to the verm before i sterilize it in pc? this would be to achieve max room in my fc and possibly add some nutrients from brf?another thought is to grind up some wbs and use it in place of the brf, that might add some of those nutrients i am looking for?


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Re: quick casing question [Re: cosmo3]
    #14006599 - 02/22/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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cosmo3 said:
I am about to start my first grow soon and i want to go with the casing method. I was wondering could one use brf and verm to make casing just mix it like you do for the jars? I have noticed that a lot of people are using verm mixed with other things such as coir but will there really be that much of a difference in the end yeild? I thought the casing was not used for nutrients so i dont understand what would be the difference. any info on this would be greatly appreciated.thank you in advance.




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