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Shr00mZ
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Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals.
#14005816 - 02/22/11 03:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would like to know to create and preserve a patch for a few decades.
I am already familiar with how to create spawn and fruiting bodies.
I am more interested in the actually frame work of the patch itself.
Depth, location, framework.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: Shr00mZ] 1
#14005840 - 02/22/11 04:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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never done them myself but from what im understanding as long as you keep adding substrate to the patch, it will continue to recolonize and fruiting year to year..
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: biologys]
#14005855 - 02/22/11 04:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also, try mixing different types of wood. I use maple and alder as my base material, then add something more dense such as oak or walnut. Basically, once you have your outdoor bed going, all you gotta do is feed it chips each year, (you can also expand your bed in the spring) and water. My patch was started last june (a little late I know) it's 2'x4' and is about 4" deep. Got some decent results this last fall. I'm planning on expanding it by at least 50% this season. Hope this helps out a bit.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: NeoSporen]
#14005945 - 02/22/11 05:19 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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And when you pick them, don't just pull them, cut them at the base. If you pull them it can disrupt the mycelium network and it can decrease the potential time it has to continue producing there.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: Eminence]
#14005972 - 02/22/11 05:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree with that. I only pulled about 10 or so when I knew it was the last flush for the year. This gave me stem buts to work with over the winter to make more spawn. Cardboard works, but I found egg cartons to be a bit better (I soaked the cartons for about 2 hours in the leftover water from soaking wood chips) if you are not using agar or anything like that. This thread has some good info for ghetto ways of spreading mycelium as well http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13425527/fpart/1/vc/1 This is about all I have to add, as anything else can be found in searches.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: Shr00mZ]
#14006090 - 02/22/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you want a patch to produce long-term, it's important to not only add fresh substrate every year, but to never pick more than half the mushrooms. They need the spores from those mushrooms to add fresh genetics to the patch or it will die out. Overpicking, not running out of food is the main reason PNW cyanescens patches shit the bed after a year or two, usually the next year after you show some 'tard your patch. RR
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14006646 - 02/22/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good hint RR thanks i would have picked em all but you're right fresh genetics should be continuously introduced.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14006654 - 02/22/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well I think. Im going to go 6-8 inches down. I know 4 inches wont be sufficient for winter protection.
I understand you have to add fresh substrate to the myc every year.
Blue angels are said best to grow in tall grass. I was thinkin of putting a layer of top soil back over my hardwood spawn/wood chips. Planting grass on top.
Im using local hardwood chips. No color dye. I liked the no color dye because the bag under the one I picked was fully colonized by some sort of wood loving myc. It drew me to that brand. 
Rodger ive read you mixed fresh woodchips with spawn in a garbage can outdoors.
Im going to use that technique to produce more spawn.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: Shr00mZ]
#14006670 - 02/22/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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yah grass keeps the moisture up
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: virus1824]
#14006773 - 02/22/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well since paul stamets recommmends LC > grain > spawn.
I figured id go LC to grain/spawn
WBS and woodchips together. I have some cut up pizza boxes also for cardboard. I soaked the grain and wood for 24 hours seperate. 
I did make it all neat put the WBS in the center using a tube at first and the wood chips on the outside... then I realized it really doesnt matter.
2 Days after inoculation.

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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: Shr00mZ]
#14008748 - 02/22/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sounds like your on the path to success. I haven't ever used chips from a bag, I just go savage on some split wood with an axe to make my chips. Works to controle chip size (diversity in size helps) and is easier than it sounds. But bagged chips will work, as long as they don't contain any cedar. You're a bit north compared to me, so if your winters get really cold, I think the grass will help (I even cover mine with some carpet to help insulate). I like how you are mixing WBS with some wood chips I'll be sending woodlover vibes your way and looking forward to seeing your hard work pay off this fall.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: NeoSporen]
#14011101 - 02/23/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fundamentals is the title. Now when I read create a frame box. Ive never had to create anything special for cubes. Should I create a large frame box for my spawn/patch ? If i created a half box... all the moisture would soak in the wood at the bottom (literally add a full bottom) of my frame... and the rest of the water that isnt absorbed would feed myc.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: Shr00mZ]
#14012978 - 02/23/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I keep my spawn in a 64q tub inside till I'm ready to make the bed outdoors. Mine doesn't have a frame so it can spread to the grass around it, but I can't imagine anything bad coming of building one. You could use 2X6" boards for the sides and the bottom. Not sure if plywood, OSB or anything with glue would be bad to use for the bottom. Maybe some hardwood verneer on the bottom side that touches the mycelium. I think you're gonna be fine. It's easier than it sounds, and more or less set and forget, with the exception of watering durring the warm dry months.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: NeoSporen]
#14013125 - 02/23/11 11:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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2011 is the year for outdoor experiments!!!

this year should be interesting I'm following along with this thread as I will be joining-in on the outdoor-fun this year.
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Shr00mZ
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: LurkingWizards]
#14066599 - 03/04/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Progress. Day 14 after inoculation.
I only did 10 CCs of LC to each qt. jar.
Cant wait for the weather to clear up so I can begin mixing spawn with mulch.

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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: Shr00mZ]
#14066907 - 03/04/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tis the year of the woodlover indeed... will follow with interest as almost mirrors what is happening close to home 
I've seen (read of) beds made with and without a frame. Some have said the micro-organisms in surrounding soil are helpful whereas others that a frame protects the patch as it gets started.
Reading between the lines perhaps start with a frame and once colinisation is well underway, remove?
Also, as fructifications tend to occur mainly on the periphery of the patch I've heard of people suggesting digging channels (4" soil, 4" substrate), perhaps adjoining every now and then, so a large surface is touching the soil edges (thinking being mycellium wants to drop spores on new areas).
Moss over the patch can encourage fruits in the centre a bit more as keeps moisture up.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens outdoor grow patch fundamentals. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14066928 - 03/04/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said: If you want a patch to produce long-term, it's important to not only add fresh substrate every year, but to never pick more than half the mushrooms. They need the spores from those mushrooms to add fresh genetics to the patch or it will die out. Overpicking, not running out of food is the main reason PNW cyanescens patches shit the bed after a year or two, usually the next year after you show some 'tard your patch. RR
Interesting I've never heard this before, so in theory you could transport spores from different patches and drop them on others to keep up the varied gene pool?
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