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Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel
    #14005493 - 02/22/11 02:15 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Squatters who broke into and occupied a £1million house have been given hundreds of pounds of taxpayers’ money in legal aid to fight eviction.

The intruders from France, Spain and Poland have been living in the three-storey five-bedroom townhouse for a month.

Meanwhile, owner John Hamilton-Brown has been forced to rent a two-bedroom flat for his family while he battles to get the gang out of the house.

Neighbours said the property had just been sold when the 12 squatters broke in during the early hours of the morning after a window was forced open.


Since then there has been more damage and endless parties – several of which have culminated in the police being called.

Yesterday, some of the squatters danced, waved flags, sang and played the guitar outside the property. They also bragged about how easy Britain’s laws were in allowing them to take over homes.

A French man who called himself Jean-Claude, said: ‘I came to England seven years ago because this is where the love is.

'We will speak to other people from all over the world to come here and live because it is so easy. Why can’t we live anywhere we want?’

A French girl with blonde dreadlocked hair added: ‘I love it here. We move around where we want and share our love. You should see the views in there – it’s amazing.’

Mr Hamilton-Brown, 36, applied to the county court last week to seek an interim possession order to enable him to claim the house back.

He did not hire a solicitor because of the expense.

But when he arrived at Clerkenwell and Shoreditch County Court, in East London, he was amazed to find that two of the squatters had been granted legal aid and were represented by a duty solicitor.

Because they were EU citizens and unemployed, they qualified for free legal representation.

Mr Hamilton-Brown had already been to the court four times since his home was invaded on January 21.


At Thursday’s hearing, he was not granted the interim order that would have let him remove the squatters within 24 hours because of a legal technicality.

He was granted a possession order – meaning he will now have to wait up to six weeks for a warrant that will allow bailiffs to remove them.



‘I was horrified they were given legal representation,’ Mr Hamilton-Brown said. ‘As I work and pay taxes, I’m at a disadvantage.

‘I’ve saved up for ten years to move into this house and this is what I get. It’s remarkable that they can get away with this.’

Mr Hamilton-Brown, a married father of two young daughters who is a director of a financial services company, added that neighbours had indicated that a lot of damage had been done to the property.

The house in Archway, North London, is near the homes of actress Patsy Kensit and comedian Rob Brydon.

A legal notice put in the front window by the squatters states that anybody who enters without their permission could face six months in jail and a £5,000 fine.

A neighbour said: ‘They have more rights than we do.

‘They know what they’re doing on the legal side of things as they’ve been in houses before in the area.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359285/Foreign-squatters-given-legal-aid-fight-1m-house-eviction.html#ixzz1Eg44X8z9


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: LobsterSauce] * 1
    #14005713 - 02/22/11 03:12 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Hippies.. They're forming drum circles everywhere... Quick, play some Slayer.. Hippies can't stand death metal.


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: sorahtak]
    #14005724 - 02/22/11 03:14 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

great early morning read.. :rocket:


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #14005725 - 02/22/11 03:15 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

:ilold:




I would be pissed if that was my house and in the owners situation...



...But at the same time, good for them I guess for working & finagling the system :shrug:





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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: openmind] * 1
    #14005748 - 02/22/11 03:21 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Yeah right, its not like they're screwing over the government or something. They're fucking up a family's house.

How are they able to do this?


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: AlmostAsCoolAs]
    #14005755 - 02/22/11 03:24 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

"A legal notice put in the front window by the squatters states that anybody who enters without their permission could face six months in jail and a £5,000 fine."

This is what I can't get my head around. I'm sure it's fun squatting around but I'd have some headache if I owned the house and I couldn't get them fuckers out.


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #14005762 - 02/22/11 03:26 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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A French girl with blonde dreadlocked hair added: ‘I love it here. We move around where we want and share our love. You should see the views in there – it’s amazing.’



:yesnod:


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: The_Ghost]
    #14005768 - 02/22/11 03:29 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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The_Ghost said:
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A French girl with blonde dreadlocked hair added: ‘I love it here. We move around where we want and share our love. You should see the views in there – it’s amazing.’



:yesnod:




I can see forever :aweacid:


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: The_Ghost]
    #14005788 - 02/22/11 03:38 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Besides the lulz of the story, I can't decide on whose side to take.

I believe that landownership is...well...evil and retarded. So more power to the squatters. Money is just bits of paper or numbers on a screen, and it's abhorrent to me that we allow such a small, insignificant thing to completely run our lives.

On the other hand, the owner has worked and saved for his dream home, which has been rudely taken from him.

So...I think the whole system is evil and should be abolished, but that dude did everything he's supposed to and is now getting screwed by the system he put his faith (as well as blood, sweat, and tears) in.

And aside from that, I don't see how these people are getting away with this. This fall, the police in my town cleared a bunch of squatters out of an abandoned building without even having a warrant. Are the property laws in the UK really that different?

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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: Synesthetic] * 2
    #14005804 - 02/22/11 03:51 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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So...I think the whole system is evil and should be abolished, but that dude did everything he's supposed to and is now getting screwed by the system he put his faith (as well as blood, sweat, and tears) in.





Great conclusion bro :super:
:facepalm:

Fucking hippies, wtf is wrong with these people? Talking about love and peace and shit while stealing a house from a family? If i come and take his guitar in the name of love would he be ok with it? Oh wait, I can't come in the other dudes house because some dudes are living there and are being pussies about it, anal rape should come into fashion again, would work better then slayer.


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: Synesthetic]
    #14005818 - 02/22/11 03:59 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I believe in the tangibility and ownership of real property and I believe that respecting people's bodies and their property are the two axiomatic rules from which all societal relation should derive.



How people are getting away with this is simple: EU countries, particularly Western countries like France, Spain and the UK have LARGE numbers of "artist youths" who have become quite skilled at squatting.  The legislators of these countries have passed laws which allow people to quite literally break into someone else's (unoccupied) house and live there, and upon discovery the intruders are considered more "occupants" than intruders.


In the same way that homesteading is considered a legitimate means of property acquisition, moving into unoccupied space is seen as more "homesteading" than "trespassing".  They are looked at neutrally because they are "making use of space that otherwise would lay dormant".

What is being ignored here is market cycles.  Sometimes property *needs* to sit unoccupied for a period of time for any number of reasons.  More important than that; a property owner has the right to do whatever the fuck they want with their property, and no one should have the right to break and enter onto their land.

The opposite of this general situation is happening in America - if you accidentally stumble onto someone's land, they just might shoot you to death.  Over in Europe you can break into a man's house and as a result be afforded legal rights to live there.  Neither of these situations are ideal.




Lol I can't help but be flabbergasted.  If I knew some kid that looked like that was on my property jamming and bullshitting and I didn't want him there and I communicated that to him and he was like "MAN FUCK YOU" I'd be pretty pissed.  I just might hurt him. 

People should be more respectful of other people and their property.  How are you going to be some cool trendy youth yet you're stealing people's shit and breaking into properties that don't belong to you?  That's one thing that's really annoying about anarchist thought and anarchist books like crimethinc.  Much of European anarchy seems to be centered around youth and their entitlement to living in the very world they disdain (capitalist, market-dominated, consumer-culture).  Ways to skirt around the laws while still living in and benefiting from the system that is supposed to be so horrible.

If they want to live that way they should take their asses out to the countryside or to forest land (of which there is precious little in uber-developed Western Europe), stake a claim and start living off of the land or trucking in supplies.  Play music and have soirees somewhere that you won't be bothering others.


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: Synesthetic] * 2
    #14005825 - 02/22/11 04:09 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

> Besides the lulz of the story, I can't decide on whose side to take.

How would you feel if you came home and found somebody else living in your house, locks changed, and police there to escort you to jail for trespassing on your own property?


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: Humility]
    #14005832 - 02/22/11 04:12 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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Humility said:
I believe in the tangibility and ownership of real property and I believe that respecting people's bodies and their property are the two axiomatic rules from which all societal relation should derive.



How people are getting away with this is simple: EU countries, particularly Western countries like France, Spain and the UK have LARGE numbers of "artist youths" who have become quite skilled at squatting.  The legislators of these countries have passed laws which allow people to quite literally break into someone else's (unoccupied) house and live there, and upon discovery the intruders are considered more "occupants" than intruders.


In the same way that homesteading is considered a legitimate means of property acquisition, moving into unoccupied space is seen as more "homesteading" than "trespassing".  They are looked at neutrally because they are "making use of space that otherwise would lay dormant".

What is being ignored here is market cycles.  Sometimes property *needs* to sit unoccupied for a period of time for any number of reasons.  More important than that; a property owner has the right to do whatever the fuck they want with their property, and no one should have the right to break and enter onto their land.

The opposite of this general situation is happening in America - if you accidentally stumble onto someone's land, they just might shoot you to death.  Over in Europe you can break into a man's house and as a result be afforded legal rights to live there.  Neither of these situations are ideal.




Lol I can't help but be flabbergasted.  If I knew some kid that looked like that was on my property jamming and bullshitting and I didn't want him there and I communicated that to him and he was like "MAN FUCK YOU" I'd be pretty pissed.  I just might hurt him. 

People should be more respectful of other people and their property.  How are you going to be some cool trendy youth yet you're stealing people's shit and breaking into properties that don't belong to you?  That's one thing that's really annoying about anarchist thought and anarchist books like crimethinc.  Much of European anarchy seems to be centered around youth and their entitlement to living in the very world they disdain (capitalist, market-dominated, consumer-culture).  Ways to skirt around the laws while still living in and benefiting from the system that is supposed to be so horrible.

If they want to live that way they should take their asses out to the countryside or to forest land (of which there is precious little in uber-developed Western Europe), stake a claim and start living off of the land or trucking in supplies.  Play music and have soirees somewhere that you won't be bothering others.


Very good post.


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: The_Ghost]
    #14005842 - 02/22/11 04:18 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

If that happened to me, fuck going through the courts to get them out. I'd just give em a taste of baseball bat justice.


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: mongo lloyd]
    #14005849 - 02/22/11 04:24 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

That would be awesome in the short term, but very very bad in the long term, wait till you have the courts on your side then brake their faces wide open, Fuck, I want to punch that guy just from that picture alone, imagine if he opened his mouth and pure smatassery would flow out...is his hair dyed blond? Wtf? :rofl2:

-Fuck society!
-Yeah stick it to the man!! could we stop at the supermarket on the way though, my hair isn't blond enough.


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: 13.step]
    #14005873 - 02/22/11 04:33 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Nah it'll be fine in the long run. I'd imagine they're in the country illegally, so there won't be much information on them, if any, so nobody will realise they're gone. Dump the bodies in the Thames, and it's just another illegal immigrant dead.

:lol: but seriously, that probably would be bad. But it would be fucking maddening if that happened.


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: Seuss] * 1
    #14005902 - 02/22/11 04:50 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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> Besides the lulz of the story, I can't decide on whose side to take.

How would you feel if you came home and found somebody else living in your house, locks changed, and police there to escort you to jail for trespassing on your own property?





that's why I'm glad I live where I do, we can deem anyone trespassing in our
home as a threat to our safety and shoot the fuck out of them

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    #14005905 - 02/22/11 04:51 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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13.step said:
is his hair dyed blond? Wtf? :rofl2:






I thought that was the french girl

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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14006060 - 02/22/11 06:32 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

There are plenty of places for them to squat without causing a fuss.

That house must be like the Ritz of squats.


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Re: Squatters given legal aid to fight eviction from £1million house... as owner has to represent himsel [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #14006068 - 02/22/11 06:39 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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There are plenty of places for them to squat without causing a fuss.





wouldnt those places also be owned by someone?

maybe if they were squatting in Buckingham Palace things would be acceptable

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