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OfflineYoushouldknowabc
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Why is accepting nothingness so hard?
    #14004272 - 02/21/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why do people need assurance that there is something bigger?

Why is this feeling, or belief so important that it dictates life and what we can accomplish??

Is there a bigger feeling (besides death anxiety) that controls the need for assurance?

Am i crazy?

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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
    #14004296 - 02/21/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well they dont really need to accept ne thing without proof and they could be right or their really is nothing and u dont continue who knows.
either way it gives some people hope that their is life after death and if their really is nothing than o well they cant complain


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Youshouldknowabc] * 1
    #14004307 - 02/21/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

People like to assign purpose to their lives. Without a purpose, our existence is pointless. Such a concept would destroy our egos.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
    #14004316 - 02/21/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have felt that nothingness your talking about and it brought me to a well fuck I'm going to do stuff anyway decision and if I can find out i will when/if I do if there is something to find out.. and i think from my own experiences the majority of the population at one point felt void of something and fills it with something, wether it be food, drugs, doin thangs, etc.  rather then go deeper

b/c if it really was nothing then some people feel as they shouldn't even "try to do something"


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: demonofchaos]
    #14004329 - 02/21/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ya if u had proof that nothing existed after death people would get all depressed and it would really suck everyone would hate u. so if u happen to discover proof of this its probably best to keep it a secret


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: mirrorsnfuturestuf] * 1
    #14004330 - 02/21/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

expansion & transformation is the natural order of the universe

change is the only constant. not beginning or end. change


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: demonofchaos]
    #14004336 - 02/21/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14004342 - 02/21/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #14004346 - 02/21/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?




to enjoy every little moment of this fluke we call awareness that we can


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: demonofchaos]
    #14004361 - 02/21/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ya if u had proof that nothing existed after death people would get all depressed and it would really suck everyone would hate u. so if u happen to discover proof of this its probably best to keep it a secret





lol. you druggies.

I agree with all of you that it would crush hopes, and put people down; but why does it have to happen that way at all? Why does it have to feel 'bad'? why can't it be the complete opposite? Like a freeing feeling, to know that everything out there isn't under your control (chaos) and everything that you control is under your control (order).. :justdontknow:

Also! A reason to keep going would be to feel good, to find happiness, to find random enjoyment in everything under no penal system.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: DrMambo]
    #14004363 - 02/21/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?




to enjoy every little moment of this fluke we call awareness that we can



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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: DrMambo]
    #14004399 - 02/21/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why think of it as a fluke? I like to think of it as a natural product of the universe, as natural as the heavy elemental by products of the stars. I think theres life everywhere throughout it, and were not some seemingly random fart of chemistry.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
    #14004413 - 02/21/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You're not crazy.  No one could know.  But I personally feel that it's most likely that we came from somewhere and that we're gonna go back there.  But who knows.













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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14004421 - 02/21/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, I don't think life is a fluke in the manner of us being alone in the universe, just that living life as a sentient organism able to ponder such issues, and get behind some of them with observation, is pretty damn spectacular.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Learyfan]
    #14004430 - 02/21/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I like this very much because it explains it in simple terms.
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Learyfan said:
You're not crazy.  No one could know.  But I personally feel that it's most likely that we came from somewhere and that we're gonna go back there.  But who knows.

















"Don't expect anything, and you won't be disappointed"

I like to believe that disappointment will still exist when the time comes  :highdog:


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Envix]
    #14004445 - 02/21/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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this is a great video but life still feels meaningless, even though we're a bunch of squiggles manifested in solid and space


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: tito123]
    #14004451 - 02/21/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Squiggles that can interact :doggystyle:



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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: DrMambo]
    #14004468 - 02/21/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Its beyond miraculous that we humans exist, kinda sad what we tend to do with the gift.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
    #14004473 - 02/21/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

life has the meaning you give to it. humans have the power to give meaning to thangs, you can make use of that or not but inherently everything is meaningless

think of how other animals use meaning. prolly in vague feelings and instinctual impulses but us humans... we created a whole slew of symbols and alphabet then word matrix known as "language"; each of which have "dictionaries" containing "vocabulary" to categorize different sets of symbols together and "grammer" to appropriately portray and express loads upon loads of different meanings for thangs


of course all of these things sprouted out from the universe, just as flowers and trees and penguin-eating leopard seals did

and those eagles that soar down from the skies and jack mountain goats w/ their claws.. fling them off of mountain tops and watch them fall to their death for fun LOL


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14004492 - 02/21/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Its beyond miraculous that we humans exist, kinda sad what we tend to do with the gift.




like worshiping fake ideas and putting faith behind false hopes -.-


life should be lived out as it was meant to be. Peace and love between everyone. Food for everyone, water, shelter, clothes, education. Imagine doing that around the world for a few generations. Don't you think the human race would be so much more advanced and productive? If everyone can live peacefully, and have happiness you wouldn't need false hopes of a 'better heaven' after you die.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Envix]
    #14004494 - 02/21/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why is accepting nothingness so hard?




it's not


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
    #14004568 - 02/21/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
Its beyond miraculous that we humans exist, kinda sad what we tend to do with the gift.




like worshiping fake ideas and putting faith behind false hopes -.-


life should be lived out as it was meant to be. Peace and love between everyone. Food for everyone, water, shelter, clothes, education. Imagine doing that around the world for a few generations. Don't you think the human race would be so much more advanced and productive? If everyone can live peacefully, and have happiness you wouldn't need false hopes of a 'better heaven' after you die.





:werd:

There is no hidden meaning behind anything. It all exists ambiguously for the sake of existence.

People are to worried about what there gonna get out of everything and anything, no one gives a shit about the long term, about whats gonna happen after they die. When really thats the most important thing you could work toward.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
    #14004576 - 02/21/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i'm cool with nothingness after death.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
    #14004918 - 02/21/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why does it have to feel 'bad'? why can't it be the complete opposite? Like a freeing feeling, to know that everything out there isn't under your control (chaos) and everything that you control is under your control (order).. :justdontknow:

Also! A reason to keep going would be to feel good, to find happiness, to find random enjoyment in everything under no penal system.




And then at the end, you just "go to sleep," and that's not even bad. Because I like sleep every night, and thats okay enough. I don't even mind that I'm not doing cool stuff.

Except it might not be quite like that. Some of us, I think, envision our last moments on this planet (and the last experience you ever get to have) dying alone and probably suffering, maybe bleeding,choking, gasping for air, wishing it didn't have to be like this...no, not like this...please...

But it's just like that.

And all you ever said or did or dreamed or loved is gone and you never get to experience any of it. It actually almost like it never even happened or meant anything. To you,at least.

Some people think something like this, and it's not the most appealing idea.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Youshouldknowabc]
    #14005169 - 02/22/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why do people need assurance that there is something bigger?

Why is this feeling, or belief so important that it dictates life and what we can accomplish??

Is there a bigger feeling (besides death anxiety) that controls the need for assurance?

Am i crazy?

:hmm:





i don't know.

i personally cannot HELP but believe that there would be no reason for life (or anything at all) to exist.

i think accepting nothingness is so hard, because it isn't possible. you can't accept nothingness, when something is.

because something is, PROVES there was a reason to cause it.

how could nothing, become something, then go back to nothing with no chance of becoming something again. it would never of become something in the first place.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: igwna]
    #14005281 - 02/22/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i think accepting nothingness is so hard, because it isn't possible. you can't accept nothingness, when something is.

because something is, PROVES there was a reason to cause it.

how could nothing, become something, then go back to nothing with no chance of becoming something again. it would never of become something in the first place.





I think that first paragraph is REALLY interesting.

But the rest is based on false logic.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #14005306 - 02/22/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I believe that there's total nothingness after you die, and that's what I WANT.
I don't want to exist forever...that's what makes life awesome, is the fact that in ONE second, it could all be gone for good.

I think nothingness will be very peaceful, because there will be no "you" to observe the nothing. People are too afraid and attached to their egos to accept that they don't get to exist forever. When you think about how big this universe is, and realize the Earth is only one grain of sand in the entire beach...it kinda puts into perspective how meaningless we are to existence. If every human died right now the universe wouldn't flinch.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14005329 - 02/22/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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When you think about how big this universe is, and realize the Earth is only one grain of sand in the entire beach...it kinda puts into perspective how meaningless we are to existence. If every human died right now the universe wouldn't flinch.




Some hypothesize that consciousness is a necessary factor for "existence."

If so, there is nothing without us. = significance


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #14005337 - 02/22/11 01:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"We are the way through which the universe experiences itself- Carl"


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #14005359 - 02/22/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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"We are the way through which the universe experiences itself- Carl"




This carl person sounds like a hell of a guy. :awesomenod:


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #14009129 - 02/22/11 06:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Bodhi of Ankou said:
"We are the way through which the universe experiences itself- Carl"




This carl person sounds like a hell of a guy. :awesomenod:




hehe, then you'll probably like this:



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CidneyIndole said:
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theMERRYiguana said:

i think accepting nothingness is so hard, because it isn't possible. you can't accept nothingness, when something is.

because something is, PROVES there was a reason to cause it.

how could nothing, become something, then go back to nothing with no chance of becoming something again. it would never of become something in the first place.





I think that first paragraph is REALLY interesting.

But the rest is based on false logic.




it was just food for thought.

i personally have no trouble accepting "nothingness".. it doesnt bother me at all.

its not a scary thought but its definitely not logical. i cant even pretend to believe it.

not to mention is probably the most boring thing to discuss.


the only thing we can know for sure is that none of us really know what we're talking about :lol:


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: igwna]
    #14009154 - 02/22/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

See now this is the kinda thread that keeps me coming back to the shroomery.

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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: The Vapor]
    #14009189 - 02/22/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

nothingness? what does accepting nothingness even mean. a billion cycles, and births and rebirths going on around you every second and you dont see beauty anywhere? maybe you just need to get outside.

these guys were in the film festival with us, I found the words perfectly chosen and inspiring.




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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: sixxy]
    #14009711 - 02/22/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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nothingness? what does accepting nothingness even mean. a billion cycles, and births and rebirths going on around you every second and you dont see beauty anywhere? maybe you just need to get outside.






this.

:shineon:


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: igwna]
    #14009739 - 02/22/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I find no need to accept nothingness in my life. Meaninglessness, perhaps, but certainly not nothingness.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: HighFivePsh]
    #14010556 - 02/22/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Nothingness must be such a depressing way of veiwing the world, I cant imagine the thoughts and veiws that believing in that theory brings.








Thoughts?

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    #14010578 - 02/22/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yeah,

:emo:

then

:suicide:

then

:onfire:





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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: igwna]
    #14010619 - 02/22/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I find no need to accept nothingness in my life. Meaninglessness, perhaps, but certainly not nothingness.




This statement does not seem to make sense to me.

It would seem to imply that you either

1- Never really thought about it much (aka young)

2- decided that eternal nothingness is okay (in which case this means you had need to accept it)

3- You follow some set of beliefs that tells you that existence will keep on existing for you regardless.

  B- However, if this is the answer, most of these systems include a "plan" or "design" of some sort, which often eliminates or reduces "meaninglessness"

which is it, I'm curious? (or surprise me)




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CidneyIndole said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
"We are the way through which the universe experiences itself- Carl"




This carl person sounds like a hell of a guy. :awesomenod:




hehe, then you'll probably like this:







I almost feel I should be ashamed I didn't know he said that. Sagan FTW.

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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #14010643 - 02/22/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I figured just putting -Carl would have been enough :grin:


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    #14010708 - 02/22/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?




why does there NEED to be a point?
Life just is, and I have no idea why. The trees, and flowers are alive very much the same way you and I are alive, only difference is we have a consciousness to interpret it all.
You wouldn't argue that when you stomp a spider, the spider then becomes nothing. I think people are just the same...once we're gone, that's it. Just pure nothing.
It's not depressing, I say that's just one more reason to do everything you want while you're here. Might as well enjoy it while it lasts, and when we die, we'll have no idea we're even gone. Back into the dirt to dissolve into infinity.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14010727 - 02/22/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Anthony917 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?




why does there NEED to be a point?
Life just is, and I have no idea why. The trees, and flowers are alive very much the same way you and I are alive, only difference is we have a consciousness to interpret it all.
You wouldn't argue that when you stomp a spider, the spider then becomes nothing. I think people are just the same...once we're gone, that's it. Just pure nothing.
It's not depressing, I say that's just one more reason to do everything you want while you're here. Might as well enjoy it while it lasts, and when we die, we'll have no idea we're even gone. Back into the dirt to dissolve into infinity.





don't pretend you havent wondered the meaning of life.


especially not on a drug forum. :lol:


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14010742 - 02/22/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Im all for meaninglessness, but not nothingness. It implies that there is even less then something that its almost as if the universe is of less value then that of a half imagined dream. I believe we need to create purpose to fully utilize the gift of life we have and think that creating a point to it is the point in itself.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: igwna]
    #14010773 - 02/22/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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theMERRYiguana said:
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Anthony917 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?




why does there NEED to be a point?
Life just is, and I have no idea why. The trees, and flowers are alive very much the same way you and I are alive, only difference is we have a consciousness to interpret it all.
You wouldn't argue that when you stomp a spider, the spider then becomes nothing. I think people are just the same...once we're gone, that's it. Just pure nothing.
It's not depressing, I say that's just one more reason to do everything you want while you're here. Might as well enjoy it while it lasts, and when we die, we'll have no idea we're even gone. Back into the dirt to dissolve into infinity.





don't pretend you havent wondered the meaning of life.


especially not on a drug forum. :lol:




haha dude I think about why we exist every single day...
evolution just makes sense.
I used to be christian but I just don't think I can believe in a God. I love the message and what christianity teaches in terms of morals (as most people do) but idk. If God exists why would he even create people in the first place? He's just bored and wants to watch us fuck each other up all the time? I have just witnessed TOO much fucked up shit to believe that there is an omnipotent being who watches over us.
:shrug: who knows


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14010937 - 02/22/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Evolution makes sense, post DNA. Before DNA we can only make blind stabs at what really sparked it.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Anthony917]
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Anthony917 said:
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theMERRYiguana said:
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Anthony917 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?




why does there NEED to be a point?
Life just is, and I have no idea why. The trees, and flowers are alive very much the same way you and I are alive, only difference is we have a consciousness to interpret it all.
You wouldn't argue that when you stomp a spider, the spider then becomes nothing. I think people are just the same...once we're gone, that's it. Just pure nothing.
It's not depressing, I say that's just one more reason to do everything you want while you're here. Might as well enjoy it while it lasts, and when we die, we'll have no idea we're even gone. Back into the dirt to dissolve into infinity.





don't pretend you havent wondered the meaning of life.


especially not on a drug forum. :lol:




haha dude I think about why we exist every single day...
evolution just makes sense.
I used to be christian but I just don't think I can believe in a God. I love the message and what christianity teaches in terms of morals (as most people do) but idk. If God exists why would he even create people in the first place? He's just bored and wants to watch us fuck each other up all the time? I have just witnessed TOO much fucked up shit to believe that there is an omnipotent being who watches over us.
:shrug: who knows






well i think the idea is that this world is a "test."

we've all witnessed too much fucked up shit.

but if you keep your eyes open, theres some really fuckign beautiful shit, too. :grin:




all i know is that there is definitely something bigger that we don't/can't understand. even if its absurdism.

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    #14011395 - 02/23/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Its beyond miraculous that we humans exist, kinda sad what we tend to do with the gift.


:thumbup::thumbup:

like worshiping fake ideas and putting faith behind false hopes -.-


life should be lived out as it was meant to be. Peace and love between everyone. Food for everyone, water, shelter, clothes, education. Imagine doing that around the world for a few generations. Don't you think the human race would be so much more advanced and productive? If everyone can live peacefully, and have happiness you wouldn't need false hopes of a 'better heaven' after you die.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Pilz]
    #14011654 - 02/23/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Death is one of the most irrational fears and unfortunately one of the strongest ones as a human.

Psychological laws.

"The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there's no risk of accident for someone who's dead."


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Janamil]
    #14011705 - 02/23/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?




To create your own meaning.  Nihilism is a dead end; existentialism is a much preferable alternative IMO.  Existence precedes essence...

As for this "Carl" guy; he knew where it's at.  RIP.



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Bodhi of Ankou said:
What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?




To create your own meaning.  Nihilism is a dead end; existentialism is a much preferable alternative IMO.  Existence precedes essence...

As for this "Carl" guy; he knew where it's at.  RIP.






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What a sad view of life to have, not trying to defend the idiocy of religous fundamentalism but I like to think that there is a reason behind existence, If it is truly nothingness then why exist? what be the point?




To create your own meaning.  Nihilism is a dead end; existentialism is a much preferable alternative IMO.  Existence precedes essence...

As for this "Carl" guy; he knew where it's at.  RIP.





i like that painting. i'll have to read into this carl sagan guy.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: JesusGoneRogue]
    #14012386 - 02/23/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

he who soaks up the most energy from touching as many things as they can with their derdy little fingers and their experiences and travels (mental or physical) wins.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Pilz]
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Its beyond miraculous that we humans exist, kinda sad what we tend to do with the gift.


:thumbup::thumbup:

like worshiping fake ideas and putting faith behind false hopes -.-


life should be lived out as it was meant to be. Peace and love between everyone. Food for everyone, water, shelter, clothes, education. Imagine doing that around the world for a few generations. Don't you think the human race would be so much more advanced and productive? If everyone can live peacefully, and have happiness you wouldn't need false hopes of a 'better heaven' after you die.


:thumbup::thumbup:




its a good point, but in a way these false hopes offer a better peace at mind than knowing we could be doing better as a species.

also, there is actually no honest way to say these hopes are "false."

perhaps we've created heaven a hundred times over just by thinking it up.


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    #14018175 - 02/24/11 03:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm fine knowing that my only fait when I die is being maggot food :shrug: As for a purpose in life, mine is just to live life as enjoyably as possible. Religion does more harm than good I think.


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You should. He's one smart mother fucker. He's incredibly interesting to listen to.


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    #14021253 - 02/24/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think the point of life is to experience as much as you can before you "fade into eternity" (or how ever someone else on here put it). Beyond death I doubt there is anything.

Enjoy what you have while it is here. It is still difficult to think of death as the end, but I guess that's the way it is.(IMO).


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    #14022186 - 02/24/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if there is nothingness after death or before birth then there would be nothing now.

A light bulb may only last so long but can always screw in a new one, the energy is still there.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: HyperSpace]
    #14022211 - 02/24/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:

nothing can't be perceived by things that exist. so there can be no experience of nothing

nothing is already full of all the things that will never exist, so existence can NOT have the quality of being nothing

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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: HyperSpace]
    #14022220 - 02/24/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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if there is nothingness after death or before birth then there would be nothing now.

A light bulb may only last so long but can always screw in a new one, the energy is still there.




that's not true...there was nothingness for US, because we were nothing.


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    #14022265 - 02/24/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

there is nothing behind your eyelids, but u do not fear it. u meet with it every night when u go to sleep

and then u wake back up. and start the whole thang over again


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    #14022277 - 02/24/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

it is hard to accept nothingness,

because there is nothing to accept


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if there is nothingness after death or before birth then there would be nothing now.

A light bulb may only last so long but can always screw in a new one, the energy is still there.




that's not true...there was nothingness for US, because we were nothing.




how was something created out of nothing?


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: morrowasted]
    #14028340 - 02/25/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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it is hard to accept nothingness,

because there is nothing to accept





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    #14028386 - 02/25/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I personally think that fearing death and nothingness just makes you cling more to the illusion you live in. Life is a dream, and when we die, we probably just wake up somewhere else (anywhere imaginable.) Call me crazy if you want.

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    #14028393 - 02/26/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why exactly do you think that? I feel like life is pretty real.


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    #14028459 - 02/26/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

when im dreaming i think it's real to though


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    #14028462 - 02/26/11 12:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Me too sometimes..but that doesn't tell me anything other than actual dreams can seem realistic. I feel like if life were a dream I could fly if I wanted to. Guess I'm just close minded :rolleyes:


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    #14029955 - 02/26/11 11:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

life is the collective dream. the reason you cant' fly in life is because that would infringe on the beliefs of the other dreamers. in your own dream world U are the only player, and the only one setting the limits and boundaries of what you are capable of doing

although usually your conscious mind takes control over your waking life, so it needs rest during sleep while your subconscious mind takes over and that is why its difficult to control your dreams, because the subconscious is playing the dream out not your conscious mind...

and when u smoke weed it takes even MORE energy to bring elements of the dream world into your conscious state during ur waking life, so ur even MORE zonked-out during sleep... cuz ur conscious mind needs even MORE rest to regain more energy to do thangs

when u learn to lucid dream and operate your dream world w/ your conscious mind... then thangs start to get crazy :crazy2:


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    #14029990 - 02/26/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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life is the collective dream. the reason you cant' fly in life is because that would infringe on the beliefs of the other dreamers.




Then why can't I fly when I'm in some field miles away from any human life/observation?  It's an interesting theory but I think we have more limits set on ourselves than just the self-imposed ones.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: deCypher]
    #14030010 - 02/26/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

who knows. we're breaking more and more boundaries w/ technological advancement and becoming more and more limitless with our innovative drive

compared to snails, we're pretty unlimited.. scept for a few thangs we havent figured out yet


also we can do this now http://discovermagazine.com/2008/mar/teleportation-very-possible-next-up-time-travel/article_view?b_start:int=2&-C=


in physical reality we have to go through process to make thangs happen.

whereas in dreams thangs just sorta happen spontaneously..



but here in the world u gotta play along w/ the rules of everyone else.. until something new is discovered and can be verified by everyone..

liek collectively we can do magic thangs like pass our bodies through time n space (universe hopping) by moving our joints n limbs.. manipulate the elements to accommodate us in that process, and implement imagination into the realm of physicality to broaden the kind of experiences available to us here in this crazzzy place


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    #14030774 - 02/26/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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life is the collective dream. the reason you cant' fly in life is because that would infringe on the beliefs of the other dreamers.




Then why can't I fly when I'm in some field miles away from any human life/observation?  It's an interesting theory but I think we have more limits set on ourselves than just the self-imposed ones.





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    #14030801 - 02/26/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Funny thing is, if there were a "higher power," and it were as real as regular reality, and people actually knew what it was and where to find it ... then they'd just want something even higher than that.

It's not about morality, or spirituality, or whatever the fuck. It's the monkey mind, always wanting more more more.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: laserpig]
    #14030808 - 02/26/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Funny thing is, if there were a "higher power," and it were as real as regular reality, and people actually knew what it was and where to find it ... then they'd just want something even higher than that.

It's not about morality, or spirituality, or whatever the fuck. It's the monkey mind, always wanting more more more.




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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: laserpig]
    #14030818 - 02/26/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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laserpig said:
Funny thing is, if there were a "higher power," and it were as real as regular reality, and people actually knew what it was and where to find it ... then they'd just want something even higher than that.

It's not about morality, or spirituality, or whatever the fuck. It's the monkey mind, always wanting more more more.




really? I think it's just the fact that people are trying to survive as long as possible. It's basic instinct, so to imagine that death is the absolute end of everything scares the shit out of them. That's where I think ideas of an afterlife came from.
People say there "has" to be a point to existence. I say there doesn't have to be any point, and the only reason you think there IS, is because you think you're special somehow, unique, or different from any other living thing.


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Anthony917]
    #14030890 - 02/26/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

over time ppl build their own identity by placing self-imposed definitions and beliefs about themselves onto their ego structure.

these figments, create the illusion that there is SOMETHING to be lost to begin with..

the personality structure one place's on themselves as a mask in order to make sense of their relationship to the rest of the universe during their time here

but all that is is an idea. ideas are transient, and change constantly. sure the body dies but look around. there are trillions upon trillions of life-bearing biological vehicles walkin' around all over the place out there on this planet

what makes u different from any of them? ideas. non-physical thoughts. that come one moment, and the next their gone


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Re: Why is accepting nothingness so hard? [Re: Envix]
    #14031128 - 02/26/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

think of the monks that can withstand what would usually kill a human without even scratch on them. yes technology everyday is reinventing what we collectively thought was possible and eventually everything will one day be possible.

we'ar are now only beginning to realize we can scratch the metaphorical surface


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