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Rye and grain cultivation
    #14004120 - 02/21/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I started my first batch of mycellium jars with the pf tek method using a brown rice and vermiculite substrate. I was just wondering what are the benefits of using rye or grain over the pf tek method and also what is a good method to use to colonize with rye or grain.


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Re: Rye and grain cultivation [Re: robey14]
    #14004264 - 02/21/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Growing mycelium on agar and then transferring to sterile or pasteurized rye grain is the best way to go.  Grain is looser then a PF Tek cake, and therefore easier to shake to accelerate growth.  There is also more aeration in grain, and therefore anaerobic growth is inhibited.  I have also been told that growing on grain provides a more complex substrate matrix which encourages more vigorous growth.
Furthermore, some claim grain generations more potent mushrooms.
In order to colonize grain all one has to do is add water and pressure cook, and add some gypsum if you like.  Mycelium is then added to the grain, which may have been grown on malt extract agar or (in your case) in a cake.


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Re: Rye and grain cultivation [Re: Forager]
    #14004327 - 02/21/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Forager said:
Growing mycelium on agar and then transferring to sterile or pasteurized rye grain is the best way to go.  Grain is looser then a PF Tek cake, and therefore easier to shake to accelerate growth.  There is also more aeration in grain, and therefore anaerobic growth is inhibited.  I have also been told that growing on grain provides a more complex substrate matrix which encourages more vigorous growth.
Furthermore, some claim grain generations more potent mushrooms.
In order to colonize grain all one has to do is add water and pressure cook, and add some gypsum if you like.  Mycelium is then added to the grain, which may have been grown on malt extract agar or (in your case) in a cake.




nothing like confusing the noobie.....

you will need a pressure cooker for grains...I haven't done rye yet but I heard rye berries are the most consistent and the way to go

I use this tek for wild bird seed WBS http://www.shroomery.org/9030/Docs-Wild-Bird-Seed-Tek

Grains are just a slightly harder process than the PF tek....Im new too but from what I have read you can get more out of a bulk grow as far as more mushrooms...Im a noob and I started my grains and PF tek at the same time.....


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Re: Rye and grain cultivation [Re: robey14]
    #14004575 - 02/21/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I find it harder to constantly mist cakes. I noticed the rye holds on to more moisture its less intensive during the fruiting stage.


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Re: Rye and grain cultivation [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14004705 - 02/21/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i GrOw StUFF said:
nothing like confusing the noobie.....





haha my bad


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Re: Rye and grain cultivation [Re: Forager]
    #14005008 - 02/22/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, rye grain technique is really one of the basic foundations of the art of mycology. Agar, grain to grain, casing, spawning.


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