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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: skatealex2]
    #12397654 - 04/15/10 10:59 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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i almost died from jdub a few weeks ago after eating it.    im done with that shit  :mad2:

reg janeeyys the way to go


:orly: Explain please? Maybe an interesting story.


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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: AsAboveSoBelow]
    #12397683 - 04/15/10 11:05 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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This discussion was, of course, quite speculative due to the lack of appropriate metabolism studies with JWH-018 and lots of people disagreed with the cancerogenity-proposal.




Indeed.  Lots of missing information, it won't be known for years.  I really don't give a shit about getting cancer years down the road.  Gotta die someday.  This is one of the risks of taking RCs.


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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: skatealex2]
    #12397709 - 04/15/10 11:09 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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i almost died from jdub a few weeks ago after eating it.    im done with that shit  :mad2:

reg janeeyys the way to go



:facepalm:

way to go sport


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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: Mchaggis]
    #12397789 - 04/15/10 11:24 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

it wasnt my fault, i ate like a thumbs worth of j-dub and the shit kicked in like 10 hours later and i woke up 7am peaking my brains off and my heart was going 140  , i made a thread on it-od'd on jdub

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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: fapjack]
    #12398879 - 04/15/10 02:47 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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fapjack said:
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This discussion was, of course, quite speculative due to the lack of appropriate metabolism studies with JWH-018 and lots of people disagreed with the cancerogenity-proposal.




Indeed.  Lots of missing information, it won't be known for years.  I really don't give a shit about getting cancer years down the road.  Gotta die someday.  This is one of the risks of taking RCs.




Really? You really don't care that much? Especially when you can get real weed that completely avoids this massive problem.

I realize other RC's have side effects too, but nothing as serious as cancer that I know of.

I've only smoked JWH twice, and this definitely has convinced me to not use it anymore.


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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: wildchild68]
    #12404145 - 04/16/10 02:11 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Well I know cigarettes cause cancer and I still smoked them, only reason I quit was because of how god damn expensive they are.  If I didn't get drug tested I would smoke weed, but I can't.  I doubt I'd buy more JWH-018 either though, that shit made me less productive than when I was a pothead.  Its too god damn cheap and fun to sit around baked all day watching cartoons on JWH.


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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: Mchaggis]
    #12404804 - 04/16/10 04:04 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Perhaps if we just switch to eating or Jay dubs it will negate the effects of smoking it.

I always both vaporized and filtered mine through water.

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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #12404834 - 04/16/10 04:12 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quite possibly.

I'm pretty sure it's orally or dermally applied to rats.

skatealex how is that not your fault?


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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #12404846 - 04/16/10 04:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

well actually, I'd been VAPING jwh through a meth pipe the whole time. I NEVER had any sort of lung/general health problems after the first couple of weeks.


but for a few days last week I tried smoking it on top of weed.
and for some reason, I had been COUGHING like crazy the entire time. I couldn't inhale all the way without coughing. this stopped as soon as I stopped smoking the jwh (and continue weed)


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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: Envix]
    #12404859 - 04/16/10 04:18 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I've had a sort of "wet lung" feeling ever since I started.

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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: NetDiver]
    #12404893 - 04/16/10 04:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Samurai Drifter said:
Well, when you smoke marijuana, you're inhaling considerably more tar than you do with cigarettes, and tar contains a lot of carcinogens, so logically there should be a correlation between marijuana smokers and cancer.

But, long term studies have shown that even heavy cannabis smokers don't get lung cancer.

Therefore, some chemical in marijuana (presumably THC) must be somehow counteracting the risk caused by tar.




I wouldn't be so sure about that one:

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Marijuana Smoke Doesn't  Damage the Lungs Like Tobacco

Everyone knows that smoking pot is as damaging, if not more damaging, to the lungs than puffing cigarettes, right?

Wrong, according to a team of New Zealand investigators writing in the European Respiratory Journal in August.

Researchers at the University of Otago in New Zealand compared the effects of cannabis and tobacco smoke on lung function in over 1,000 adults.

They reported: "Cumulative cannabis use was associated with higher forced vital capacity [the volume of air that can forcibly be blown out after full inspiration], total lung capacity, functional residual capacity [the volume of air present in the lungs at the end of passive expiration] and residual volume.

"Cannabis was also associated with higher airways resistance but not with forced expiratory volume in one second [the maximum volume of air that can be forcibly blown out in the first second during the FVC test], forced expiratory ratio, or transfer factor. These findings were similar amongst those who did not smoke tobacco. … By contrast, tobacco use was associated with lower forced expiratory volume in one second, lower forced expiratory ratio, lower transfer factor and higher static lung volumes, but not with airways resistance."

They concluded, "Cannabis appears to have different effects on lung function to those of tobacco."

Predictably, the scientists' "inconvenient truth" was not reported in a single media outlet.




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Mchaggis said:
What about jwh-018's cancer inhibiting properties? Obviously this is negated if combusted but vaporized or ingested...?





http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=520822#post520822

http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v101/n6/abs/6605248a.html

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WCJ-4MM8BJG-1&_user=10&_coverDate=03%2F31%2F2007&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=browse&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=a3856676f52f83dacb4997e57c829176

http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/early/2009/10/30/1535-7163.MCT-09-0448.abstract[

http://www.jleukbio.org/cgi/content/full/82/3/532

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/16116/version/1

http://www.cancer-therapy.org/CT6A/HTML/11._Fogli_&_Breschi,_103-116.html

http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v101/n6/abs/6605248a.html

http://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/8/11/3117.abstract

http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/reprint/17/3/529.pdf

http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/full/17/3/529


...These pretty much prove these particular Cannabinoids actually inhibit Cancer/tumor growth

Combined with the Toxology report:

"Well, from the looks of these tests, JWH-018 seems to be pretty safe, but unless you want to piss off Ben Goldacre, it would be wise not to rely on this “test tube data” entirely. Also, like I said before, we don’t know where this data has come from, clouding the issue even further."


http://www.mindfully.org/JWH/JWH-018/JWH-018-Toxicity-Results.htm

http://www.synchronium.net/2009/02/21/jwh-018-toxicology

Is it complete? Is it definite? No, but it's what we have to make an educated guess on the safety of the substance.

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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #12404902 - 04/16/10 04:30 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I want to read some studies. I get drug tested and am very interested in jwh as a result.


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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: dill705] * 1
    #14003530 - 02/21/11 07:45 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

My 2¢


  I am a 34 year old woman, well curveded with a pretty high metabolism. I'm a heavy drinker, and I've been smoking cannabis, mostly mid, but some good stuff here and there, for almost twenty years on a multi-daily basis. No other drugs other than acid, a bit more about that later. Lately, smoke has been hard to come by, so I decided to try some of the spice knockoffs that I've heard so much about.. Hell, even Miley Cirus uses it, so it can't be that dangerous, right? Might as well do my own n=1 survey..


  I tried it and was instantly in love. It was cheapish, and easy to come by, it didn't smell funny, and hey- it's legal! I became a daily smoker of it, and for 3 months didn't have any problems at all.  I tried some of the non-jwh blends (It's not legal in -parts- of VA as of a couple of weeks ago- this was all that could be found in another neighborhood when I was looking) who knows what was in them. They were a very tame version: It took 2 bowls for anything, but there was an awful nasty, wet cough and tight chest, and vaping didn't work with it, and I felt like a pack-a-day smoker in less than a week, so I flushed the leftovers.

After time the dudes at the gas station that sold it recommended the stronger stuff they had stashed under the counter, for a few bucks more of course. A tiny pinch warned immediately to be careful. I'd gotten used to toking some of the mellow stuff for a while in the morning before work, just a touch with my coffee. One morning after some of the stronger stuff and a weird dizzy-trippy spell, I got paranoid when my boss asked if I was okay, so I went home and slept the rest of the day. From that point on "Spice" was a bedtime snack only.

  Last Saturday night, I stayed over at my boyfriend's place, and after a couple of bottles of wine that evening, I was a lit.. okay, a lot tipsy. I was playing PS3 and the BF went to bed, so I decided to sneak out and have a bowl. He knows of my habit, but does not approve so I do not rub his nose in it. I decided to fill the bowl, have a toke our two, and save the rest for tomorrow. the next thing I remember, I'm crawling in the door and collapsing against his couch. 


  I was instantly gripped by the feeling of NEEDING to know where my stash and keys were. I took off my jacket, found my stuff, and tucked it safely back into the pocket again. I collapsed on the couch, and then absolutely needed to find my keys again. The feeling of Groundhog Day-vertigo was overwhelming, and I knew I needed to lay down. I don't even remember if it was cold or not, we were having one of those almost spring weeks where it's 30 one night and 70 the next, I do remember this: I began shivering almost uncontrollably. I tried talking myself into relaxing completely, telling myself it was all in my head and it was warm and cozy. Nope. I got the laundry that was in the dryer and buried myself in the heat. It helped a little, but not completely, and as I closed my eyes, I felt like I was almost losing touch with myself and where I was. The only thing that kept jerking me back is when I would start shivering again. At one point I looked up and saw the arm of the couch and was completely relieved that I could attach that image with a place that I could recognize as something solid and stable. I was terrified at the concept of my boyfriend coming in to check on me, or having to interact with anything at all. I kept looking up at the arm of the couch to remind myself, that I was still there. After a while, I passed out, and I woke up surprisingly uneventfully. My depth perception was still fucked up, and my skin is still sensitive, but I could function.

I've dropped acid about half a dozen times in my life: all more than 15 years ago so it's been a while, but this was way more intense and unenjoyable than I could remember any of those experiences being.. not even under the best of circumstances.

  It's been three days and I still don't feel quite normal again. I still get weird semi-flashbacks and sometimes the body high comes back. I am by no means trying to harsh anyone's buzz, and I have already smoked it again, albeit in more controlled and comfortable circumstances. I thinks the booze and the 'sneaking' of the toke contributed to my awful night. In my post-freakout research, I discovered:

  Where cannabis is a partial agonist of the CB1 receptor, JWH is a FULL agonist. Yes, that means that that you can get higher, faster, BUT that also means that THERE IS NO CEILING to this high, and it can get out of hand- QUICK. This is NOT WEED and should be treated appropriately. I will now allow NO LESS than 5 minutes between each toke, and every single time I've had to invoke the rule, I've been glad.

Happy explorations out there, and remember.. you can never do less, you can always do more.

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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: Itzi]
    #14003567 - 02/21/11 07:52 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

See, THIS is how a dead thread should be resurrected.

Shit ton of content.


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Re: Who else is worried about JWH-018(Not legal status, and back me up here Wiccan) [Re: Itzi]
    #14003579 - 02/21/11 07:54 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I enjoy oral doses in moderation, like once every two weeks or so. I'm pretty much finished with smoking the material; the high is subpar compared to oral admin. The way I see it is if I eat healthy, exercise regularly, and moderate my use, I'll be fine. And if you guys are really worried, look for a JWH that doesn't contain the napthyl ring or whatever, like -250.

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