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Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included.
    #14003327 - 02/21/11 07:05 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

First off I had studied a crap load before I started and still got the wrong 1/2 pint jars :thumbdown:  (I thought I was ready but didn't know about the short fat jars).  Also made the mistake of "Oh, well it looks like the BRF/verm looks dry lets add more water".  Lessons learned.  There's many reasons not to use these tall jars.  Pay no attention to the filter material on the top of the PF jars, they were cut off the top a couple days after inoculation (just didn't want to take the lid screw part off to get the rest).  Been studying old posts for a couple hours....I have a shitload of jars that are in good condition about to finish up but these are the ones in question....All jars are a little more than 3 weeks since inoc....Maybe this would be better suited for the contam forum but there is always like 90 people viewing this one instead of 2...



First pic is a bacterial contaminated jar, judging by the barrier that the myc made.  Besides this one wall, all other sides and the bottom are colonizing well, 90% of the jar is colonized...On the other side of this jar is an invitro pin which isn't included in this post....Through reading I hear you can birth, cut away the uncolonized parts and dunk....But I hear there is dangerous bacteria.  Should I throw this thing away or let it go for a few more days to see what comes of it even though there is an invitro pin?......Or birth this bad boy?  Can bacteria spread from cake to cake in the FC?





In this pic there is an obvious difference in the color of myc.  I am assuming it is mold.  It is just a lighter white color...I know that different strains within the jar can look different (quite obviously sometimes), but this looks odd to me....Opinions?  I will let this one go for some more time....







Everything 'looks' fine for this jar but there are some invitro pins.  I know it can be bacteria that I can't see but....One of the main disadvantages of taller 1/2 pint jars is that the myc has to travel a further distance to the bottom if the myc starts colonizing at the top first.  What happens, I assume, is the top fully colonizes quick and loses moisture so it thinks it is 100% colonized and/or thinks its at "its end" because its dry so it will fruit....This jar is probably 90+ % done....So what do you guys think?  I'm going to check on it in the morning....Seems to be colonizing well...I think I might be able to finish it up in a short amount of time....



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Re: Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included. [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14003353 - 02/21/11 07:10 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I dont think there's anything particularly wrong with tall jars. I use them and they seem to work fine. I do also have a jar that I assume in contaminated with bacteria, but that's because of the bacteria, not the jar used. I think the short, fat ones look like they colonize more quickly but in fact the middle may not be done when the jar looks 100%, as opposed to the tall jars that you know are 100% when you look at them.

Wait a while longer on that bacteria jar and see what happens.

I dont see anything wrong with pic #2.

Agreed that your jars look a bit too moist, which is probably why they are taking so long to colonize and perhaps why you are experiencing "contam".

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Re: Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included. [Re: mikefromearth]
    #14003364 - 02/21/11 07:13 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Thanks for the reply....I will not use the taller jars again though for PF tek, just my preference....


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Re: Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included. [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14003385 - 02/21/11 07:18 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Ahh yes I can imagine the short jars are best for PF. I've been using the tall jars to spawn to hpoo.

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Re: Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included. [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14003408 - 02/21/11 07:21 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

The third pic looks good. Nothing wrong with some invitro pins. That just means you know you're gonna get some mushrooms. :thumbup:

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Re: Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included. [Re: mikefromearth]
    #14003412 - 02/21/11 07:22 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

you dont have to buy new jars you can still use them just dont fill them so high.

also pf tek sux. grains are super easy as well as long as you get a pc. 50 bucks might seem like a lot but it will be more than worth it


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Re: Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included. [Re: PostChase]
    #14003429 - 02/21/11 07:25 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

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The third pic looks good. Nothing wrong with some invitro pins. That just means you know you're gonna get some mushrooms. :thumbup:




yes, it is good to see little mushies....But alot of the time it means something is wrong, whether its getting too much air or bacteria contams....


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Re: Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included. [Re: deladude]
    #14003434 - 02/21/11 07:26 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

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you dont have to buy new jars you can still use them just dont fill them so high.

also pf tek sux. grains are super easy as well as long as you get a pc. 50 bucks might seem like a lot but it will be more than worth it




I disagree somewhat....PF tek is pretty cool and less involved...BTW I am doing grains and doing quite well with them...Just did my first spawn to bulk.....Waiting for it to colonize...


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Re: Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included. [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14003449 - 02/21/11 07:29 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

The big mistake I made for some of the first jars I did, which a few are included in this post, is I added too much water.....I apparently thought I was smarter than the RR  :boot:


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Re: Got bit in the butt by using the wrong jars. I would like some opinions. Pics included. [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14017415 - 02/23/11 11:52 PM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Hey guys, sorry for the bump but I have a question.....

Given:  I have pinning in some jars before 100% colonization....

Question:  At what percentage do I let the jars finish as opposed to emergency birth and washing away uncolonized substrate?  I know if the jars are at like 98% I can let them finish, but is there a fine line of when to cut losses and birth as opposed to letting them finish?

Question:  How long can the pins live in the jar before I birth.....Example:  Suppose the pins aren't growing much but I have 10% of colonizing to go....Will the healthy pins just eventually die in the jar after like 6 days since there is obviously a high CO2 environment in the jar?


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