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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleWilliam J. McGuire
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    #14003270 - 02/21/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: William J. McGuire]
    #14003614 - 02/21/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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William J. McGuire said:
Isn’t it this succession of states we call consciousness, which also creates the semblance of time,  as well as our behavior, and cognition?




I find it hard to believe you see no mystery in this.


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: William J. McGuire]
    #14006220 - 02/22/11 07:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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William J. McGuire said:
We are at all times stuck in a thought loop. There are set parameters for how we think as a whole. Therefore, all our thoughts fall within these boundaries.




Are you sure your experience generalizes to all of us? Are you sure this is true for "how your mind really works", maybe it's just another brief succession of consciousness. I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong, but I'd just suggest bearing in mind the methodological problems involved in examining "how one's own mind works". A poor research design would easily lead you astray.. into an infinite regress - thought loop?

"In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits"
Dr. J. C. Lilly


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: amuzakat]
    #14006587 - 02/22/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wish I knew how to transcend,but it just seems that no matter what I try all I've done is take a step forward.


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: William J. McGuire]
    #14007481 - 02/22/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wish I knew how to transcend,but it just seems that no matter what I try all I've done is take a step forward.

And that's bad?


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There've been times when I wander, and times when I don't.
Concepts I'll ponder, and concepts I won't ever see.
God isn't one of these, former or latter.
Which did you think I meant?

It doesn't matter to me.


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: William J. McGuire]
    #14007547 - 02/22/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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William J. McGuire said:
I wish I knew how to transcend,but it just seems that no matter what I try all I've done is take a step forward.



I don't think your theory sounds unreasonable. It's as good or better than many theories I could think of. I just wanted to point out what you know already, that you're looking at a living system: yourself in the mirror, so a very powerful analytical device could quickly become self-fulfilling. I agree think there are no magic recipes to transcend that fundamental condition. Taking a step forward is the only thing one can do. But one can try to keep walking instead of taking one step forward then another one back again. One possibility might be to consider the possibility of a bigger dynamic beneath what appears as a thought loop, maybe the waves are there but there's also stream actually moving towards something?


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: amuzakat]
    #14007699 - 02/22/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What's a thought loop?


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: lines]
    #14007884 - 02/22/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

See OP.


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: amuzakat]
    #14020151 - 02/24/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

OP doesnt explain what a thought loop is


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: lines]
    #14020783 - 02/24/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm assuming "we're at all times stuck in a thought loop" is the summary. So you read the rest to see what it means?! That's what I did.


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: amuzakat]
    #14020847 - 02/24/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Stop playing games dude. Nowhere does it say what a thought loop is.


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    #14020956 - 02/24/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You're actually stuck in one now... you feel that the OP doesn't describe a thought loop which is now affecting your way of thinking on the topic which makes it impossible for you to read his post and find out what it is...


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: lines]
    #14020963 - 02/24/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What are you talking about.. playing games?

This is what it says right after the first sentence declaring we're in a "thought loop".  "There are set parameters for how we think as a whole. Therefore, all our thoughts fall within these boundaries." If I understand grammar right, these would reflect back to "thought loop".

What I think W.M. means is something like a Kuhnian paradigm, setting the boundaries for thoughts, and within which thoughts are then "looping", as it were. If that's not what he means, maybe he will tell us. But at least now you should be able to understand what *I* wrote.

I wonder if you were even interested? :-)


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: amuzakat]
    #14021013 - 02/24/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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amuzakat said:
This is what it says right after the first sentence declaring we're in a "thought loop".  "There are set parameters for how we think as a whole. Therefore, all our thoughts fall within these boundaries." If I understand grammar right, these would reflect back to "thought loop".




The notion that thoughts fall within certain boundaries doesn't seem to be what the term thought loop is describing. There is a definition for thought loop that the OP expects us to know and not all of us know the definition and the OP didn't offer a specific definition for thought loop. Maybe the term thought loop is a term that is commonly used here and maybe many people are familiar with it but I am not familiar with it.


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Re: Does this sound reasonable? [Re: lines]
    #14021035 - 02/24/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The OP is saying why he thinks thought loops occur but it was never mentioned what specifically thoughts loops are. There is some over-lap between the why and the what but I suspect there are some specifics to the what that isn't easily inferable from the why.


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