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Larrythescaryrex
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such a thing as too many additives?
#14002312 - 02/21/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lets assume a person was to make the traditional BRF cake. Some people promote the use of 1/2 strength coffee water to supply additional nutrients. Others suggest some small amount of gypsum. Is there any reason not to go ahead and use both? It seems that there would be nothing wrong with this, but I have never used either alone so I submit the question to the gathered masses.
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LeopardMan
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Of course you can use both. I've used about 25 different substrates for cakes, including milk, coke, cocoa, quinoa and pineapple juice It's a lot of fun. But do not expect to get more mushrooms. More nutrients doesn't mean more mushrooms.
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: LeopardMan]
#14002403 - 02/21/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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the pf tek is reletivitly new, so much has yet to be experimented with, so much potential for better cakes
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Larrythescaryrex
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: auronlives69]
#14002498 - 02/21/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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eeeeeeeeeee....rrrrrrrrrrrrr............ggggggggggggg........ The PF Tek is like for 12 or 13 years ago man.
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Use the Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo poo, Poo.......
   
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: auronlives69]
#14002544 - 02/21/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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auronlives69 said: the pf tek is reletivitly new, so much has yet to be experimented with, so much potential for better cakes
Holey SHit! I just had an epiphany!
Use the Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo, Poo.......
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: auronlives69]
#14002562 - 02/21/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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auronlives69 said: the pf tek is reletivitly new
uhhh really?
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auronlives69
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: k00laid]
#14003944 - 02/21/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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"relatively new" rel·a·tive·ly/ˈrelətivlē/Adverb 1. In relation, comparison, or proportion to something else.
i can imagine the pf tek 50 years from now still being used by amature mycologists, yeah i agree the poopoo would be the best choice for yeild but i thought mabe he wanted to optimize his cakes to super mutant mushroom factories, who doesnt
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: auronlives69]
#14004557 - 02/21/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You mean the pf tek is relatively for newbs lol
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: jb4789]
#14004698 - 02/21/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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jb4789 said: You mean the pf tek is relatively for newbs lol
Kinda true. Most people start with it, for some people it's all they ever do. Even experienced cultivators use it to test isolates, LC, etc.. According to RR and some rough calculations we've done before, it's still the shortest/quickest path from spores/LC to shrooms.
Bulk is cool and all but the PF tek is very useful regardless of your experience level.
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: afrosheen]
#14004931 - 02/21/11 11:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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its also less problematic lets say you dont have any more of that type spore you only have one print and you know it will work fool proof leaving least room for error very quick way to get more spores.
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hamloaf
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Larrythescaryrex said: Lets assume a person was to make the traditional BRF cake. Some people promote the use of 1/2 strength coffee water to supply additional nutrients. Others suggest some small amount of gypsum. Is there any reason not to go ahead and use both? It seems that there would be nothing wrong with this, but I have never used either alone so I submit the question to the gathered masses.
To the standard brown rice flour cake mix, add powdered, agricultural grade gypsum and spent coffee grinds at 5% by volume each to the mix before bringing the mix to field capacity. Sterilize the mix in jars at 15psi's for at least an hour. I pressure sterilize all my cakes for 90 minutes at 15 psi.
For added nutrition, Rice Bran is substituted for brown rice flour. You can also hand grind grains into flour and substitute ground grain flour for pre-ground brown rice flour for extra nutrition. The added nutrition is in the grain's husk left remaining in the flour when you buy Rice Bran or grind your own grain into flour.
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: hamloaf]
#14005126 - 02/22/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Coffee really does help with colonization speed. Gypsum is good to add too.
I wouldn't piss with it too much beyond that - if you want something better, just do rye with coffee - you can only make a PF cake so good.
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: tibberous]
#14005348 - 02/22/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Coffee really does help with colonization speed. Gypsum is good to add too.
Decreased colonization times or speed are a direct result of nutritious substrates usually made up for in fruiting by explosive growth and flushes. Mutations are a result of overly nutritious substrates.
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Larrythescaryrex
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: hamloaf]
#14005368 - 02/22/11 01:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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lets limit this to the singular question "is coffe water and gypsum together an ok thing?"
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hamloaf
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Larrythescaryrex said: lets limit this to the singular question "is coffe water and gypsum together an ok thing?"
Yes.
Add powdered, agricultural grade gypsum to the brown rice flour mix at 5% by volume, dry, and mix them together. Bring the mix to field capacity using the coffee water.
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Larrythescaryrex
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: hamloaf]
#14005617 - 02/22/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok, thanks very one.
LM, I wasn't dismissing your response.
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LeopardMan
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Larrythescaryrex said: Ok, thanks very one.
LM, I wasn't dismissing your response.
NP, I was joking Have a nice day
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Re: such a thing as too many additives? [Re: hamloaf]
#14006105 - 02/22/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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BRF cakes are already too nutritious as it is and that's why they often produce mutants. When using coffee to hydrate, make sure it's well diluted below drinking strength.
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Coffee really does help with colonization speed. Gypsum is good to add too.
Decreased colonization times or speed are a direct result of nutritious substrates usually made up for in fruiting by explosive growth and flushes. Mutations are a result of overly nutritious substrates.
I think you meant to say increased colonization times. More nutritious substrates tend to colonize slower. Coffee speeds up colonization mostly by reducing the pH to a level more acceptable to the mycelium. RR
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