Home | Community | Message Board

MRCA Tyroler Gluckspilze
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   North Spore Cultivation Supplies   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   OlympusMyco.com Olympus Myco Bulk Substrate   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9  [ show all ]
Offlinefaffle
Stranger
Male User Gallery

Registered: 04/06/08
Posts: 262
Last seen: 10 years, 5 months
RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB
    #14002268 - 02/21/11 03:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.libertypac.com/

He's made half a million dollars so far today!  :shocked:  For him to make that much before the Presidential race has even started is amazing.  He's gonna run in 2012, what do you guys think?


--------------------

Edited by faffle (02/21/11 03:44 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledespisedicon
Stranger

Registered: 06/16/06
Posts: 8,361
Loc: Flag
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: faffle]
    #14003218 - 02/21/11 06:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If he could get the people who say "he will never when so why bother voting for him" he has a pretty good chance at winning.  Politics is not a car race, one should vote for who they want to win not who has the better chance at winning.  I don't like a lot of his stances, but he is a decent candidate.  I'm not gonna vote for him though.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibledespisedicon
Stranger

Registered: 06/16/06
Posts: 8,361
Loc: Flag
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: despisedicon]
    #14003279 - 02/21/11 06:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

An dropping out of the presidential race doesn't help you winning, either. LOL 2008

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBaby_Hitler
Errorist
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 27,660
Loc: To the limit! Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 43 minutes
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: faffle] * 2
    #14007413 - 02/22/11 01:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck Ron Paul.


--------------------
This space for rent

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14007838 - 02/22/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
Fuck Ron Paul.



My name is zappaisgod and I approve this message.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineJoe Joe
2nd Level Meditator


Registered: 10/29/10
Posts: 190
Loc: Vortex #4
Last seen: 12 years, 10 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14014616 - 02/23/11 03:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'll vote for him.  And I'll put my money and my sweat where my mouth is too.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinewortiesbo
Male


Registered: 03/18/06
Posts: 866
Loc: new vegas
Last seen: 6 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Joe Joe]
    #14015282 - 02/23/11 05:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Joe Joe said:
I'll vote for him.  And I'll put my money and my sweat where my mouth is too.




gross :shocked:

ron paul is kind of a nutjob, but i'd still vote for him over bush/obummer


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 2 days, 1 hour
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Joe Joe]
    #14015560 - 02/23/11 06:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

There are some things I disagree with Paul on, but I would definitely vote for him.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBaby_Hitler
Errorist
 User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 27,660
Loc: To the limit! Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 43 minutes
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14023850 - 02/25/11 02:29 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I just wanna have sex with him, is all I'm saying.


--------------------
This space for rent

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleLe_Canard
The Duk Abides


Registered: 05/16/03
Posts: 94,392
Loc: Earthfarm 1 Flag
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: faffle]
    #14024310 - 02/25/11 08:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I like some of Dr. Paul's ideas, but still and all, a lot of them are just "out there". I'd never vote for him.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offline1upshroom
Plant Collector
Male


Registered: 01/12/09
Posts: 204
Loc: On the eastern edge
Last seen: 11 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14026651 - 02/25/11 05:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Lets just see if this creates another political party LOL.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: faffle]
    #14027982 - 02/25/11 10:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

faffle said:
http://www.libertypac.com/

He's made half a million dollars so far today!  :shocked:  For him to make that much before the Presidential race has even started is amazing.  He's gonna run in 2012, what do you guys think?




I think he's the new Harold Stassen.


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineScavengerType
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14028615 - 02/26/11 12:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't personally vote for RP cause he's a religious nut job, but he's way the fuck better than all the other running repubs.


--------------------
"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14031040 - 02/26/11 03:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If Ron Paul can just accomplish half of what he wants to do, we would be a better nation for it.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix] * 1
    #14031330 - 02/26/11 04:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
If Ron Paul can just accomplish half of what he wants to do, we would be a better nation for it.





And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineScavengerType
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14031778 - 02/26/11 06:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

A lot of military spending is discretionary. So with respect to the military and military aid he could do a lot even without anyone in congress's help on that issue.


--------------------
"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14035048 - 02/27/11 10:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

He would probably be blackballed by the majority of congress unfortunately. Just because the fact that thier jobs would and should be on the table.

They really are not necessary anymore, imho.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14035066 - 02/27/11 10:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
He would probably be blackballed by the majority of congress unfortunately. Just because the fact that thier jobs would and should be on the table.

They really are not necessary anymore, imho.




So, you'd prefer an emperor?


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14035069 - 02/27/11 10:16 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Nah, I'd prefer a true democracy. As in we all get a say in the issues on the table. No just who decides these issues for us.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14035357 - 02/27/11 11:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah lets all meet at the park and decide.:lol:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14035360 - 02/27/11 11:22 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Nah, I'd prefer a true democracy. As in we all get a say in the issues on the table. No just who decides these issues for us.




Yeah, that'll work.

Read the history of Athens.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14035371 - 02/27/11 11:24 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

From my conversations with this young poster he seems to think history irrelevant as any indication of the present.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14035430 - 02/27/11 11:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What history ?

Athens is missing many componets therefore isn't directly related.

Look at how different the world was then.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14035552 - 02/27/11 11:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Less people.  Give examples of how much the world was different then?


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14035674 - 02/27/11 12:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I am not going to hold your hand on this one.

If you can't see it then you probably never will.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14035682 - 02/27/11 12:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
I am not going to hold your hand on this one.

If you can't see it then you probably never will.




Translation:  You have no answer.


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14035942 - 02/27/11 01:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What is you have no answer, so my point is indirectly proven.

I bet any grade schooler could find many differences between our current global state and the state then as obvious.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but I implore you to consider the possibility.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14022364

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14035947 - 02/27/11 01:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
What is you have no answer, so my point is indirectly proven.





Yeah, whatever.

On the plus side, I know to never take you seriously on anything, ever again.

Does this board have an ignore feature?


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14035948 - 02/27/11 01:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TGRR said:


Does this board have an ignore feature?



No.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14035958 - 02/27/11 01:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

TGRR said:


Does this board have an ignore feature?



No.




Actually, I checked, and it does.  It's that wheel built into my mouse.


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14035976 - 02/27/11 01:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Just click my name and scroll down and click ignore.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036034 - 02/27/11 01:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
I am not going to hold your hand on this one.

If you can't see it then you probably never will.





In other words you can't.  As usual I might add. At least you're consistent (at being wrong)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036064 - 02/27/11 01:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not playing your game. It is irrelvant to what I am proposing.

What I see from this is that you are too set in your ways to even take a glimpse at other prospects.

You really can't think of one difference?

Here's a bone.

"Participation was by no means open"

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14036151 - 02/27/11 01:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TGRR said:
So, you'd prefer an emperor?




I support an ironfisted autocracy. Just sayin'.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036191 - 02/27/11 02:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

TGRR said:
So, you'd prefer an emperor?




I support an ironfisted autocracy. Just sayin'.




Hey, it worked for Argentina!  :lol:


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14036237 - 02/27/11 02:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TGRR said:
Hey, it worked for Argentina!  :lol:



:lol:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineScavengerType
Male User Gallery


Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 5,784
Loc: The North
Last seen: 10 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14036504 - 02/27/11 03:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TGRR said:
Quote:

teknix said:
Nah, I'd prefer a true democracy. As in we all get a say in the issues on the table. No just who decides these issues for us.




Yeah, that'll work.

Read the history of Athens.




Us Now
Quote:

Can we all govern? Us Now looks at how 'user' participation could transform the way that countries are governed. It tells the stories of the online networks whose radical self-organising structures threaten to change the fabric of government forever. Us Now follows the fate of Ebbsfleet United, a football club owned and run by its fans; Zopa, a bank in which everyone is the manager; and Couch Surfing, a vast online network whose members share their homes with strangers.




--------------------
"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036534 - 02/27/11 03:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
I'm not playing your game. It is irrelvant to what I am proposing.

What I see from this is that you are too set in your ways to even take a glimpse at other prospects.

You really can't think of one difference?

Here's a bone.

"Participation was by no means open"





You mean the game of providing evidence to back your claims? Yes I'm quite aware that you don't play that game. :satansmoking:

Actually it's you that are too set in your ways to see anything but your pov.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14036536 - 02/27/11 03:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TGRR said:
Read the history of Athens.




Is anyone actually thinking about what this means?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036573 - 02/27/11 03:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

teknix said:
I'm not playing your game. It is irrelvant to what I am proposing.

What I see from this is that you are too set in your ways to even take a glimpse at other prospects.

You really can't think of one difference?

Here's a bone.

"Participation was by no means open"





You mean the game of providing evidence to back your claims? Yes I'm quite aware that you don't play that game. :satansmoking:

Actually it's you that are too set in your ways to see anything but your pov.




I provided you an example . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy


"Athenian democracy developed in the Greek city-state of Athens, comprising the central city-state of Athens and the surrounding territory of Attica, around 508 BC. Athens was one of the first known democracies. Other Greek cities set up democracies, and even though most followed an Athenian model, none were as powerful, stable, or as well-documented as that of Athens. It remains a unique and intriguing experiment in direct democracy where the people do not elect representatives to vote on their behalf but vote on legislation and executive bills in their own right. Participation was by no means open, but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal."

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036626 - 02/27/11 03:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
I provided you an example . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy


"Athenian democracy developed in the Greek city-state of Athens, comprising the central city-state of Athens and the surrounding territory of Attica, around 508 BC. Athens was one of the first known democracies. Other Greek cities set up democracies, and even though most followed an Athenian model, none were as powerful, stable, or as well-documented as that of Athens. It remains a unique and intriguing experiment in direct democracy where the people do not elect representatives to vote on their behalf but vote on legislation and executive bills in their own right. Participation was by no means open, but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal."



Really dude? This is your argument? Okay, try reading Thucydides, and see what he has to say about Athenian democracy.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036629 - 02/27/11 03:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Taken from your link.  While not everyone was included a cross section of the population would have had basically the same effect of a total democracy.
but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal.

That's not much evidence imo.

I bet any grade schooler could find many differences between our current global state and the state then as obvious.

How about something more substantial?


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036633 - 02/27/11 03:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Taken from your link.  While not everyone was included a cross section of the population would have had basically the same effect of a total democracy.
but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal.




Yeah, they had an in-group.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036638 - 02/27/11 03:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Taken from your link.  While not everyone was included a cross section of the population would have had basically the same effect of a total democracy.
but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal.




Yeah, they had an in-group.



Yeah it was male citizens.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036646 - 02/27/11 03:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

teknix said:
I provided you an example . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy


"Athenian democracy developed in the Greek city-state of Athens, comprising the central city-state of Athens and the surrounding territory of Attica, around 508 BC. Athens was one of the first known democracies. Other Greek cities set up democracies, and even though most followed an Athenian model, none were as powerful, stable, or as well-documented as that of Athens. It remains a unique and intriguing experiment in direct democracy where the people do not elect representatives to vote on their behalf but vote on legislation and executive bills in their own right. Participation was by no means open, but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal."



Really dude? This is your argument? Okay, try reading Thucydides, and see what he has to say about Athenian democracy.




I am pointing out a single example. I am not going to go through and find every single difference for you in relation to the times.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036648 - 02/27/11 03:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That represented every area of the population.

Like I said above that's not much evidence.

How about something more substantial?

I bet any grade schooler could find many differences between our current global state and the state then as obvious.

I'll bet not. You aren't willing to.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036656 - 02/27/11 03:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

How about we can take it to debate forum, if you have any substantial response.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036660 - 02/27/11 03:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This is a political debate forum.:shrug:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036670 - 02/27/11 03:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Regardless, there isn't a substantial response other than the substance of my post which is not disproven by your comment.

I am not going to write your book for you.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036681 - 02/27/11 03:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If you make a claim than back it. If not then stfu.

I bet any grade schooler could find many differences between our current global state and the state then as obvious.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036695 - 02/27/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You sir, are off your rocker.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036715 - 02/27/11 03:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
I am pointing out a single example. I am not going to go through and find every single difference for you in relation to the times.




Okay, because you can't come up something more substantial than "onoez it wasn't everybody"?

Quote:

teknix said:
Regardless, there isn't a substantial response other than the substance of my post which is not disproven by your comment.

I am not going to write your book for you.



So... you admit that you're bullshitting? Because the issue here lies in the fact that Athenian democracy was direct democracy in action. And you are discounting it because?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036744 - 02/27/11 04:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Sure I can, but I already said I won't.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036747 - 02/27/11 04:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
You sir, are off your rocker.





So personalisms are your response?  What a surprise. Whenever I back someone into a corner it's almost always this resort.  Nice play.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036749 - 02/27/11 04:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Sure I can, but I already said I won't.




Oh. In that case I won't explain to you why you're full of shit.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036755 - 02/27/11 04:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Why should I defy this personal will to appease your negative will?

I threw you a bone, which is obviously plenty substantial to prove my point.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036764 - 02/27/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

bullshit. Your bone which was your link really supports the fact that Athens acted as a democracy in effect.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036766 - 02/27/11 04:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Why should I defy this personal will to appease your negative will?

I threw you a bone, which is obviously plenty substantial to prove my point.



No. It isn't. Your point is that Athenian democracy is irrelevant to the viability of direct democracy. Your argument, from an unreliable source, is not sufficient to prove that.

Edited by phoxyilluminata (02/27/11 04:07 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036771 - 02/27/11 04:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Check the citations then. I am sure you can find more substance yourself.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix] * 1
    #14036782 - 02/27/11 04:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Check the citations then. I am sure you can find more substance yourself.



Hi, you don't know me, but I have a degree in Classical Cultures. You. Are. Full. Of. Shit.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036793 - 02/27/11 04:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Then back up your claim.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFriskies

Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 44
Last seen: 13 years, 2 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036796 - 02/27/11 04:12 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Check the citations then. I am sure you can find more substance yourself.



Thought it was your job to do that.


--------------------
Stoner extraordinaire

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036802 - 02/27/11 04:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
bullshit. Your bone which was your link really supports the fact that Athens acted as a democracy in effect.





And that is not what is being proposed.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Friskies]
    #14036811 - 02/27/11 04:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Friskies said:
Quote:

teknix said:
Check the citations then. I am sure you can find more substance yourself.



Thought it was your job to do that.




I don't need too.
:shrug:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036817 - 02/27/11 04:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Then back up your claim.



What claim? I haven't made any claims. You're the one making claims.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036843 - 02/27/11 04:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

teknix said:
Check the citations then. I am sure you can find more substance yourself.



Hi, you don't know me, but I have a degree in Classical Cultures. You. Are. Full. Of. Shit.




Let's see your degree.

Not to mention this claim is a fallacy.

Appeal to Authority much?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036855 - 02/27/11 04:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

teknix said:
Check the citations then. I am sure you can find more substance yourself.



Hi, you don't know me, but I have a degree in Classical Cultures. You. Are. Full. Of. Shit.




Let's see your degree.



:laugh2:

Let's see you prove that you have a functioning brain, first.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036863 - 02/27/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Appeal to Authority much?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036865 - 02/27/11 04:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

go home to the pub or OTD or  wherever it is you live:lol:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036881 - 02/27/11 04:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Double posted.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Icelander [Re: Icelander]
    #14036892 - 02/27/11 04:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:
:aliendance:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036910 - 02/27/11 04:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Appeal to Authority much?



Better than not appealing to anything at all, as you seem to be doing. My question to you is, why is Athenian democracy irrelevant in a discussion about democracy? You keep saying you aren't going to spell it out, but that is making you look incredibly amateurish, especially since the burden o' proof lies on the claimant. My education is irrelevant, as far as my question is concerned. You tell me why Athens is not relevant. If you can't/won't then you are full of shit.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036931 - 02/27/11 04:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This thread is a toolbox.


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036945 - 02/27/11 04:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

teknix said:
Appeal to Authority much?



Better than not appealing to anything at all, as you seem to be doing. My question to you is, why is Athenian democracy irrelevant in a discussion about democracy? You keep saying you aren't going to spell it out, but that is making you look incredibly amateurish, especially since the burden o' proof lies on the claimant. My education is irrelevant, as far as my question is concerned. You tell me why Athens is not relevant. If you can't/won't then you are full of shit.





The variable of corruption would run rampant in the athenian democracy, likely, the most susceptible person would be the lower class rep.

Representatives is a huge variable. You fail to see this simple variable changes the entire equation.

If you can't even see that, then why would I waste time trying to further explain?

I am the only one that has offered any credible evidence at this point, and have yet to see any to the contrary.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036968 - 02/27/11 04:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

teknix said:
Appeal to Authority much?



Better than not appealing to anything at all, as you seem to be doing. My question to you is, why is Athenian democracy irrelevant in a discussion about democracy? You keep saying you aren't going to spell it out, but that is making you look incredibly amateurish, especially since the burden o' proof lies on the claimant. My education is irrelevant, as far as my question is concerned. You tell me why Athens is not relevant. If you can't/won't then you are full of shit.





The variable of corruption would run rampant in the athenian democracy, likely, the most susceptible person would be the lower class rep.

Representatives is a huge variable. You fail to see this simple variable changes the entire equation.

If you can't even see that, then why would I waste time trying to further explain?

I am the only one that has offered any credible evidence at this point, and have yet to see any to the contrary.



Credible evidence of what? I am not disagreeing with any of your points here, though they are largely conjecture. They don't answer the question that I asked, though.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037010 - 02/27/11 04:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If you can't even see that, then why would I waste time trying to further explain?

Maybe to educate someone? I keep trying to get through to you even though it feels like talking to a brick.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14037026 - 02/27/11 04:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

teknix said:
Appeal to Authority much?



Better than not appealing to anything at all, as you seem to be doing. My question to you is, why is Athenian democracy irrelevant in a discussion about democracy? You keep saying you aren't going to spell it out, but that is making you look incredibly amateurish, especially since the burden o' proof lies on the claimant. My education is irrelevant, as far as my question is concerned. You tell me why Athens is not relevant. If you can't/won't then you are full of shit.




I never said it was irrelevant to a discussion about democracy.

I said Athenian Democracy is a different equation that what I propose, when it was used as a basis or proof to failure.

Which in effect denies any substance at all so the burden is still on you.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037039 - 02/27/11 04:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

teknix said:
Appeal to Authority much?



Better than not appealing to anything at all, as you seem to be doing. My question to you is, why is Athenian democracy irrelevant in a discussion about democracy? You keep saying you aren't going to spell it out, but that is making you look incredibly amateurish, especially since the burden o' proof lies on the claimant. My education is irrelevant, as far as my question is concerned. You tell me why Athens is not relevant. If you can't/won't then you are full of shit.




I never said it was irrelevant to a discussion about democracy.

I said Athenian Democracy is a different equation that what I propose, when it was used as a basis or proof to failure.

Which in effect denies any substance at all so the burden is still on you.



No, the burden is still on you, because you haven't explainedwhy it's different.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14037052 - 02/27/11 05:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Yes I did, rofl.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037059 - 02/27/11 05:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Yes I did, rofl.



Please to be pointing out where, then.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14037078 - 02/27/11 05:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037124 - 02/27/11 05:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
Did you read what I was proposing?

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14022364



Yes, that is direct democracy. How is that different from Athens, precisely? The Athenian system was more complex than simple direct democracy, yes, but major issues were voted on by the eligible members of the populace. It wasn't "representative democracy". Even your Wikipedia article says as much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy#Participation_and_exclusion

And
Quote:

The central events of the Athenian democracy were the meetings of the assembly (ἐκκλησία ekklesia). Unlike a parliament, the assembly's members were not elected, but attended by right when they chose. Greek democracy created at Athens was a direct, not a representative democracy: any adult male citizen of age could take part, and it was a duty to do so. The officials of the democracy were in part elected by the Assembly and in large part chosen by lot.



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14037149 - 02/27/11 05:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

" voted on by the eligible members of the populace."

Who were these eligible people?

Did we still have slaves and torture?

Did we have a global coalition?

Did we have internet?

Seriously?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037176 - 02/27/11 05:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
" voted on by the eligible members of the populace."

Who were these eligible people?

Did we still have slaves and torture?

Did we have a global coalition?

Did we have internet?

Seriously?




I'll ask you the same. Seriously?

In order.

Adult male citizens.

Yes.

We don't now.

More of a hindrance.

Yes, seriously.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14037183 - 02/27/11 05:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

We know the equation is different therefore the solution is subject to change.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037195 - 02/27/11 05:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
We know the equation is different therefore the solution is subject to change.



How, precisely is the equation different?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14037218 - 02/27/11 05:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

haha.

Anyways, I have shit to do.

Have fun in your little world.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037242 - 02/27/11 05:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
haha.

Anyways, I have shit to do.

Have fun in your little world.




As I thought. Well, come back if you ever have a real argument and not just blanket assertions that things are "completely different". And can't say that reality is all that fun, honestly.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037249 - 02/27/11 05:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Have fun in your little illusions.:thumbup:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14037261 - 02/27/11 05:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

yah, the proof is there, very obvious to me. I don't know wtf's your prob.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleteknix
𓂀⟁𓅢𓍝𓅃𓊰𓉡 𓁼𓆗⨻
 User Gallery

Registered: 09/16/08
Posts: 11,953
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14037275 - 02/27/11 05:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Nice puppet Icelander
:rolleyes:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037288 - 02/27/11 05:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

teknix said:
yah, the proof is there, very obvious to me. I don't know wtf's your prob.



The proof of what? You still haven't made that clear.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14037297 - 02/27/11 05:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Funny how you come back when you say you gotta go. You did they same thing yesterday when you said you were too drunk to debate and then came back a little while later and tried to change the focus of the discussion.

I'm calling bull shit.:thumbdown:


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinesnoot
look alive ∞
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 01/30/05
Posts: 9,644
Loc: 45º parallel Flag
Last seen: 7 hours, 7 minutes
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14050266 - 03/01/11 06:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think rand paul has a good chance to do something great in the future, he's alot like his father but he looks much better, and is very charismatic. I like ron paul, I don't a whole lot about him, but he appears to be less corrupt in thinking and behaving then most politicians. We need to get away from the two parties, I mean sure two parties is great, but we need more diversity, today, it just seems liek the two partys have merged into a grey area that doesnt seem to make any difference who you vote for. Like it has been previously stated, some of ron pauls ideas are 'out there' but honestly they make more sense then some of the same old shit that goes on everyday. I think some of his great ideas far outweigh the weird ones. He just seems genuine I guess, as people all had said about Obama, but didnt seem to hold true,.


--------------------



I am incapable of conceiving infinity, and yet I do not accept finity.
- Simone de Beauvoir -

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheMacDaddyLongLeg
Stranger

Registered: 06/26/10
Posts: 81
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: snoot]
    #14050343 - 03/01/11 06:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Ron Paul just believes very strongly in freedom and the free market.

People need to realize that government is just a monopoly over everything in the private sector. It hurts business and it hurts our economy and it hurts our freedom and it hurts our safety.
Everything the government does is literally screws us because it is not respecting self ownership and property rights! Our founding fathers knew this stuff, Austrian economists have known this. These are not new ideas, this is the root of classical liberalism. It is the most prosperous and humanitarian approach to a society.

I challenge anyone who does not stand on the side of liberty to offer an instance where government is needed. I will to the best of my knowledge explain to you why it actually hurts what it is proclaimed it helps.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
    #14050828 - 03/01/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

offer an instance where government is needed.

How about when another country invades?


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheMacDaddyLongLeg
Stranger

Registered: 06/26/10
Posts: 81
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14051440 - 03/01/11 09:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

How about when another country invades?





What would give them the incentive to raid if we are on good terms and acted in a peaceful neutral manor? Hatred has only ever been set off towards America when we have meddled in their country first whether it be by giving aid and propping up oppressive dictators like  Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi or Mubarak of Egypt. Beside, you wanna get down to it the Army was always supposed to just be "the people" the militia it was the peoples duty. If you had a gun you were defending your country. Notice how we never do any defending, we are always doing the attacking? It is completely evident that we are getting into the internal affairs of other nations and instilling hatred all to the benefit of the military industrial complex and at the sacrifice to our safety and freedoms. If we would follow what the founding fathers of this country said to trade with other nations and be friendly with them but never form alliances we would be a lot better off. Besides our militarism is stretched so thin all over the world right now being in 130 out of the 180 nations of the world, that makes us so much less safe to an attack here at home. As if it takes 100,000 troops to control 100 Taliban members, and thats just the start of it. We are less safe because of it.

And simply put if another country did invade it would ultimately be up to the people to defend themselves and their homes first and foremost and the army to help defend us. It would definitely be a very scary situation. I think at the least we should have a interventionist foreign policy as long as there are other nations in the world.


you should listen to his argument on staying out of Libya, it is very compelling.


Edited by TheMacDaddyLongLeg (03/01/11 09:58 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
    #14051472 - 03/01/11 09:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
What would give them the incentive to raid if we are on good terms and acted in a peaceful neutral manor?




So... you have no idea how people work, then?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,289
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 9 days, 5 hours
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
    #14051507 - 03/01/11 10:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
What would give them the incentive to raid if we are on good terms and acted in a peaceful neutral manor?




Good Christ, only like, all of the time.

A cursory knowledge of world history will avail you of countless examples of one country, group, tribe, or other organized body making war on another such body for the simple purpose that they can.

It's human nature.  I'm sure that even before the establishment of the groupings listed above that humans were fighting each other for no damned reason, or for the simple envy of a neighbors possessions.

Seriously though, the ignorance in your statement is astounding.

Ask the Mongols why the invaded most of the known world.  Ask Alexander why he invaded Persia.  Ask Hitler why he invaded Poland.  Ask the United States why it invaded Cuba and the Philippines.  Ask Mussolini why he invaded fucking Ethiopia, of all places.

Because they were crazy, or because they could, or simply because they wanted to.

War has been waged upon peaceful people by their stronger neighbors for no good reason as long as the human race has been in existence.  A deterrent, most commonly in the form of a strong military, is a (the?) proven method for reducing the occurrence of such incidents.

A strong national defense, in modern times, can only be established by the power of a broad-based government.  Not a city-guard, or a state militia, but a federal force is really the only conceivable way to muster the resources, be they technological, financial, or personnel, that are necessary to field the type of military that is considered a deterrent to aggression by volatile neighbors.


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

Edited by Madtowntripper (03/01/11 10:07 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheMacDaddyLongLeg
Stranger

Registered: 06/26/10
Posts: 81
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14051522 - 03/01/11 10:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think I do. And I think that shows very obviously with countries who stay out of other nations affairs, look at the entire continent of Australia, Sweden, its always in the best interest to be friends with other nations, not set regulations.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 2 days, 1 hour
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
    #14051556 - 03/01/11 10:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Shit still happens and you have to be prepared. World peace is a good idea, but so is being realistic.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheMacDaddyLongLeg
Stranger

Registered: 06/26/10
Posts: 81
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14051608 - 03/01/11 10:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's not about some Utopian world peace. Explain to me why we must prop up dictators and go to war with countries for profit? That seems to me like it is not in our best interest at all. No that pretty much makes me think the worlds gonna hate us.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheMacDaddyLongLeg
Stranger

Registered: 06/26/10
Posts: 81
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
    #14051616 - 03/01/11 10:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

We would be sufficient in defense with a small army and a nation of gun carrying citizens.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
    #14051625 - 03/01/11 10:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
It's not about some Utopian world peace. Explain to me why we must prop up dictators and go to war with countries for profit? That seems to me like it is not in our best interest at all. No that pretty much makes me think the worlds gonna hate us.



Explain to me why you think anyone with half a brain wouldn't attack the little resource rich anarchist commune across the way for profit?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheMacDaddyLongLeg
Stranger

Registered: 06/26/10
Posts: 81
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14051692 - 03/01/11 10:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

what would there be to attack? citizens? really?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
    #14051706 - 03/01/11 10:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
what would there be to attack? citizens? really?



Yes. Really.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTheMacDaddyLongLeg
Stranger

Registered: 06/26/10
Posts: 81
Last seen: 12 years, 6 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14051855 - 03/01/11 10:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

so your saying that countries are going to literally come over here and break into all our houses and businesses and steal our nice things?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
    #14051930 - 03/01/11 11:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
so your saying that countries are going to literally come over here and break into all our houses and businesses and steal our nice things?



That's how the world works.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TheMacDaddyLongLeg]
    #14055690 - 03/02/11 04:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
so your saying that countries are going to literally come over here and break into all our houses and businesses and steal our nice things?




Why not?  We do it all the time.


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYrat
Hello

Registered: 11/08/07
Posts: 2,312
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14055967 - 03/02/11 05:35 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
so your saying that countries are going to literally come over here and break into all our houses and businesses and steal our nice things?



That's how the world works.




and just how would they disarm the public?  i don't think anyone in their right mind would invade a country with the gun per capita rates of the US.

a quote from a certain japanese general comes to mind...


--------------------
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root."
-Henry David Thoreau
Strike The Root

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14055972 - 03/02/11 05:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
so your saying that countries are going to literally come over here and break into all our houses and businesses and steal our nice things?



That's how the world works.




and just how would they disarm the public?  i don't think anyone in their right mind would invade a country with the gun per capita rates of the US.

a quote from a certain japanese general comes to mind...




Oh, yeah, because WalMart behemoths on their mobility scooters just terrify the hell out of everyone.


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYrat
Hello

Registered: 11/08/07
Posts: 2,312
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14055985 - 03/02/11 05:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)



--------------------
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root."
-Henry David Thoreau
Strike The Root

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleIcelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
Male


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14055997 - 03/02/11 05:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I'd guess most americans with guns don't know how to use them in combat and many of the guns are pea shooters.

Against a real army with sophisticated weaponry I don't think superior numbers would necessarily win the day.  I'm sure it would be messy however.


--------------------
"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056219 - 03/02/11 06:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
so your saying that countries are going to literally come over here and break into all our houses and businesses and steal our nice things?



That's how the world works.




and just how would they disarm the public?  i don't think anyone in their right mind would invade a country with the gun per capita rates of the US.

a quote from a certain japanese general comes to mind...



Yes. Because everyone in America who owns a gun knows how to properly utilize a firearm in a combat situation and of course, they would have no problem shooting another human being, let alone multiple hostile targets, right?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYrat
Hello

Registered: 11/08/07
Posts: 2,312
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14056282 - 03/02/11 06:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

seems to be working for the afghanis.  how did the US fare against a civilian force in vietnam again?

what about those farmers who fought off the biggest military force in the world at the time?  you know, those colonist guys?





you: government is our savior  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


everyone would be defenseless without it!!!!!!  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


--------------------
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root."
-Henry David Thoreau
Strike The Root

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056309 - 03/02/11 06:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
seems to be working for the afghanis.  how did the US fare against a civilian force in vietnam again?

what about those farmers who fought off the biggest military force in the world at the time?  you know, those colonist guys?





Colonial American:



Modern American:



Boo!  Scary, kids!


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056315 - 03/02/11 06:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
seems to be working for the afghanis.  how did the US fare against a civilian force in vietnam again?

what about those farmers who fought off the biggest military force in the world at the time?  you know, those colonist guys?





you: government is our savior  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:


everyone would be defenseless without it!!!!!!  :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:



:laugh2:

Okay. Read what you want, rather than, say, what I actually said. Yeah, you are TOTALLY right. Because all of those colonists guys were nothing but farmers who had never served in that war they had had just a bit before, and they just started off kicking ass and taking names, and weren't at all trained. Same goes for that civilain force in Viet Nam. Unsupported by the military, untrained, just a bunch of everyday farmers who just so happened to have military-grade weapons, military level marksmanship, and access to seemingly bottomless ammunition wells. Yeah.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYrat
Hello

Registered: 11/08/07
Posts: 2,312
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14056348 - 03/02/11 06:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

so we need government to hold of otherwise rabid world powers just waiting to pounce upon our prosperity.

i'd say that it's not government we need, but rather the military.  care to explain why we need government for defense, and not a trained military force (militia)?  you seem to be confused about the difference between the two.


--------------------
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root."
-Henry David Thoreau
Strike The Root

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056358 - 03/02/11 06:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
so we need government to hold of otherwise rabid world powers just waiting to pounce upon our prosperity.

i'd say that it's not government we need, but rather the military.  care to explain why we need government for defense, and not a trained military force (militia)?  you seem to be confused about the difference between the two.




You want a military without a civil authority?

That would be amazing.


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056375 - 03/02/11 06:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
so we need government to hold of otherwise rabid world powers just waiting to pounce upon our prosperity.

i'd say that it's not government we need, but rather the military.  care to explain why we need government for defense, and not a trained military force (militia)?  you seem to be confused about the difference between the two.



Okay. So, who, pray tell, will train this militia? Arm it? Feed the miltiapeople? Cloth them? Will they provide their own equipment? Will they train themselves? Will they be professional soldiers? Or only called up in times of war? Who will call them up? Who will house them? Who will pay them?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata] * 1
    #14056386 - 03/02/11 06:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

Yrat said:
so we need government to hold of otherwise rabid world powers just waiting to pounce upon our prosperity.

i'd say that it's not government we need, but rather the military.  care to explain why we need government for defense, and not a trained military force (militia)?  you seem to be confused about the difference between the two.



Okay. So, who, pray tell, will train this militia? Arm it? Feed the miltiapeople? Cloth them? Will they provide their own equipment? Will they train themselves? Will they be professional soldiers? Or only called up in times of war? Who will call them up? Who will house them? Who will pay them?




They shall do all of that themselves.  And when the invader arrives, they shall bravely charge forth, stopping for nothing, until the batteries of their Rascal Scooters run down.

Google the poem "The Charge of the Obese Brigade".


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYrat
Hello

Registered: 11/08/07
Posts: 2,312
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14056431 - 03/02/11 07:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

costa rica abolished their army in 1948 by constitutional decree.  why has no one invaded and conquered them?

by your logic, it should have happened long ago.


--------------------
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root."
-Henry David Thoreau
Strike The Root

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCanis latrans
Stranger
Registered: 03/01/11
Posts: 35
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR]
    #14056434 - 03/02/11 07:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

TheMacDaddyLongLeg said:
so your saying that countries are going to literally come over here and break into all our houses and businesses and steal our nice things?



That's how the world works.




and just how would they disarm the public?  i don't think anyone in their right mind would invade a country with the gun per capita rates of the US.

a quote from a certain japanese general comes to mind...



Maybe because most small arms that civilians own are rather ineffective against even lightly armored vehicles?
Unless you are suggesting that the citzenry be allowed to posses larger caliber small arms and anti-armor rounds, but even then, who will train the citzenry?
Are you suggesting that everyone be allowed to own what ever military ordinance they can afford?


Quote:

TGRR said:
Quote:

Yrat said:
so we need government to hold of otherwise rabid world powers just waiting to pounce upon our prosperity.

i'd say that it's not government we need, but rather the military.  care to explain why we need government for defense, and not a trained military force (militia)?  you seem to be confused about the difference between the two.




You want a military without a civil authority?

That would be amazing.




Yes let's remove civilian oversight over the military, they would never ever get it into their heads to fight for power amongst themselves or create small kingdoms controlled by their loyal troops.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056482 - 03/02/11 07:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
costa rica abolished their army in 1948 by constitutional decree.  why has no one invaded and conquered them?

by your logic, it should have happened long ago.



Oh yeah, because Costa Rica is just so rich in resources. It has so much mineral wealth and arable land. Totally worth attacking.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYrat
Hello

Registered: 11/08/07
Posts: 2,312
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14056523 - 03/02/11 07:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

Yrat said:
costa rica abolished their army in 1948 by constitutional decree.  why has no one invaded and conquered them?

by your logic, it should have happened long ago.



Oh yeah, because Costa Rica is just so rich in resources. It has so much mineral wealth and arable land. Totally worth attacking.




you are claiming there are no natural resources?  that's a bold claim indeed.

lol, right from wikipedia for you.  you should really do some research before opening your mouth.

Quote:

Costa Rica's major economic resources are its fertile land and frequent rainfall,




--------------------
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root."
-Henry David Thoreau
Strike The Root

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCanis latrans
Stranger
Registered: 03/01/11
Posts: 35
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056527 - 03/02/11 07:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

Yrat said:
costa rica abolished their army in 1948 by constitutional decree.  why has no one invaded and conquered them?

by your logic, it should have happened long ago.



Oh yeah, because Costa Rica is just so rich in resources. It has so much mineral wealth and arable land. Totally worth attacking.



It also has a large number of US based companies invested in it.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056538 - 03/02/11 07:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
Quote:

phoxyilluminata said:
Quote:

Yrat said:
costa rica abolished their army in 1948 by constitutional decree.  why has no one invaded and conquered them?

by your logic, it should have happened long ago.



Oh yeah, because Costa Rica is just so rich in resources. It has so much mineral wealth and arable land. Totally worth attacking.




you are claiming there are no natural resources?  that's a bold claim indeed.

lol, right from wikipedia for you.  you should really do some research before opening your mouth.

Quote:

Costa Rica's major economic resources are its fertile land and frequent rainfall,






:laugh2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Costa_Rica#Geography
Quote:

Land use
Arable land: 4.4%
Permanent crops: 5.87%
Other: 89.73%



Oh? Major resource is it's fertile land that is 4.4% arable?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14056550 - 03/02/11 07:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineYrat
Hello

Registered: 11/08/07
Posts: 2,312
Last seen: 3 years, 2 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14056559 - 03/02/11 07:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

what is with all the brandy new accounts in this thread, is this a troll trap or what?  why is this thread so derailed from a ron paul money bomb?  interesting indeed.

go ahead and continue putting all your faith into government.  right up to the point when your friends and family are thrown into internment camps.


--------------------
"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil
to one who is striking at the root."
-Henry David Thoreau
Strike The Root

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineCanis latrans
Stranger
Registered: 03/01/11
Posts: 35
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056573 - 03/02/11 07:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
what is with all the brandy new accounts in this thread, is this a troll trap or what?  why is this thread so derailed from a ron paul money bomb?  interesting indeed.

go ahead and continue putting all your faith into government.  right up to the point when your friends and family are thrown into internment camps.




What do you propose is to be done then?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblephoxyilluminata
Stranger
Female
Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 102
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056640 - 03/02/11 07:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
what is with all the brandy new accounts in this thread, is this a troll trap or what?  why is this thread so derailed from a ron paul money bomb?  interesting indeed.

go ahead and continue putting all your faith into government.  right up to the point when your friends and family are thrown into internment camps.



Shock! New people show up and start "talking" and "giving opinions"! Wow, they must be trolls! And look, a thread drifted! PROOF OF THE TROLL THEORY!

Who said I had faith in the government? I support an oppressive autocracy. That way you can sit back and accept the ass-reaming. Yuo expect it. All these notions of "liberty" and "natural rights" and stuff just belie the fact that human beings are violent, horrible cunts, and would just as soon smash in their neighbor's face as say hello if there weren't a carefully constructed social hierarchy in place. Why make it more complicated than it really is?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineFriskies

Registered: 02/27/11
Posts: 44
Last seen: 13 years, 2 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056667 - 03/02/11 07:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
what is with all the brandy new accounts in this thread, is this a troll trap or what?  why is this thread so derailed from a ron paul money bomb?  interesting indeed.

go ahead and continue putting all your faith into government.  right up to the point when your friends and family are thrown into internment camps.



:crazy2::mushroom2:


--------------------
Stoner extraordinaire

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineTGRR
Horrible Bastard


Registered: 05/22/07
Posts: 2,084
Last seen: 12 years, 3 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Yrat]
    #14056685 - 03/02/11 07:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Yrat said:
what is with all the brandy new accounts in this thread, is this a troll trap or what?  why is this thread so derailed from a ron paul money bomb?  interesting indeed.

go ahead and continue putting all your faith into government.  right up to the point when your friends and family are thrown into internment camps.




Well, they're certainly taking their time about it.  220 years of government - many of those years far more oppressive than the current year - and we've hardly ever thrown entire populations of Native Americans and Japanese-Americans into internment camps.


--------------------
What can we do to help you stop screaming?

Official Mr Shoebat lackey.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMr.Al
Alphabet soup
Male

Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 5,388
Loc: N.S.A. D.C.
Last seen: 4 months, 18 days
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: TGRR] * 1
    #14225459 - 04/02/11 11:00 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

For the record:

Investing in a campaign to cripple the stultifying growth of endless government control of your lives could pay handsomely for you and your loved one's safety and quality of life.

None of you naysayers have said anything remotely articulate about specifically what you have against the Congressman from Texas.  He is a living breathing honest politician.  There is no dirt on him, otherwise it would have been dug up long ago.  He would have been blackmailed and then toe the line like most of the other oxygen thief politicians.

The economy is the major concern presently.  Dr.Paul's views on economics come from the Misesian school of Austrian economics and the American founders.

Debate against his philosophical view if any of you useless government shills have the balls to do so.

I say that most of you do not possess the testicular fortitude to do so, because those who blindly worship governmental authority are as eunuchs.

Go look in the mirror, eunuchs, ask yourselves if you possess the balls or the backbones to be considered men.

The world economy is headed off the cliff and you worthless fools attempt to derail important matter at hand, much like the stereotypical valley girl who cares not what the future brings so long as she can go to the mall today...   Such is the shallowness of your economic understanding, ye ball-less authoritarian boot-lickers.

I truly hope that Dr.Paul runs again.  America needs a national debate on the economic state of the nation immediately.


EDIT

Ron Paul wants to end the wars, to include the war on drugs.  Strangely enough people on a mushroom cultivation site think he is just "too extreme" et cetera.  Many of you refuse to support someone who's got your back.

Utterly worthless self hating drug users.

Support the man who wants to legalize freedom, or go back to your pathetic cringing at the heavy handed tyranny of the State.

If you do not support freedom you have no one to blame but yourselves for your oppression.

Edited by Mr.Al (04/02/11 11:08 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineHyperSpaceMaggot
Uncle Creepy


Registered: 03/31/11
Posts: 157
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14225572 - 04/02/11 11:30 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

He wants to out the fed bank. He is the guy that will prevent the socialist threat.


--------------------
:feelsweirdman: :feelsweirdman:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMr.Al
Alphabet soup
Male

Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 5,388
Loc: N.S.A. D.C.
Last seen: 4 months, 18 days
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: HyperSpaceMaggot]
    #14230554 - 04/03/11 10:27 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It appears that he is too popular to be shut out of debate if he runs this time.

I'm fairly certain he holds the record for the most money raised in a single day.

He could run and win.......

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 2 days, 1 hour
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Mr.Al]
    #14236393 - 04/04/11 02:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, now that he isn't shunned out, Republicans will actually have to intellectually debate him rather than casting him off as extreme.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineObey
The Analocalypse
Male


Registered: 10/19/08
Posts: 270
Loc: Dirty South Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14236434 - 04/04/11 02:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a nut job, he deff loves mr.jesus though. 

I'd still vote for him.  He's one of the few politicians that actually goes out of his way to uphold the bill of rights and constitution.


--------------------
Anything that is posted by myself Obey is completely fiction.  Any pictures posted come from an external unknown source.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 2 days, 1 hour
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14236442 - 04/04/11 02:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Why does everybody think he's so Christian, he barely mentions it from everything I have seen and read from him, which is quite a bit. Also, I didn't call him a nut job.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14236454 - 04/04/11 02:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

He is certainly anti-abortion.
http://www.ontheissues.org/tx/ron_paul.htm


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineObey
The Analocalypse
Male


Registered: 10/19/08
Posts: 270
Loc: Dirty South Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14236467 - 04/04/11 02:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

not u rebirtha, sry somebody else earlier in the thread called him a nut job.


--------------------
Anything that is posted by myself Obey is completely fiction.  Any pictures posted come from an external unknown source.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14236481 - 04/04/11 02:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Fuck, I'll make it late in the thread.  He's a fucking nut job.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 2 days, 1 hour
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14236537 - 04/04/11 02:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know that I would group together pro-life and Christian, he was an obstetrician after all.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,289
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 9 days, 5 hours
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14236560 - 04/04/11 02:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I find it amusing that people just can't fathom that others might not like him because they don't agree with his ideas.

If you don't like Ron Paul, according to his supporters, you're either a supporter of the current power structure, or you're ignorant of his ideas, or you're hate the Constitution, or something like that.

It just needs to be understood that some of us simply don't agree with his policies.

I don't like, as zappa mentioned, his abortion policy.  I am a firm believer in the right of a woman to abort a fetus she does not want to carry to term.  To me, it's inviolate and sacrosanct.

I don't like his (lack of a) foreign policy.  Isolationism does not work in the 21st century.  Events outside of the borders of the United States have a very real impact on life here.  Pretending it doesn't is asinine.

I don't believe in his complete rejection of the American economic model.  The current government, not this administration, but the current set of rules and practices used by whomever is in power, has provided the highest standard of living to the highest number of people of any government in history.  EVER.  Tossing it aside because you believe you can do better, without any justification, is something not to be entered into as lightly as Mr. Paul's supporters seem willing to do.

In addition, I honestly believe that Mr. Paul is, or at least was at one time, virulently anti-homosexual, another stance that is absolute anathema to me and my political beliefs.

There are many reasons people may choose not to vote for Mr. Paul for any run at the Presidency he may undertake.


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 2 days, 1 hour
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14236594 - 04/04/11 02:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You are kind of eating your own words when you say that if you don't like Ron Paul you just don't understand his policies when you say that a woman has a right to choose. If you knew his policy it is that women DO have the right to choose because he doesn't believe federal government has the right to even take part in that debate. Anti-homosexual? all he talks about is personal freedom and civil liberties.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14236635 - 04/04/11 02:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Abortion.htm

Quote:

On the right-to-life issue, I believe, I’m a real stickler for civil liberties. It’s academic to talk about civil liberties if you don’t talk about the true protection of all life. So if you are going to protect liberty, you have to protect the life of the unborn just as well.

I have a Bill in congress I certainly would promote and push as president, called the Sanctity of Life Amendment. We establish the principle that life begins at conception. And someone says, ‘oh why are you saying that?’ and I say, ‘well, that’s not a political statement -- that’s a scientific statement that I’m making!“

I know we’re all interested in a better court system and amending the constitution to protect life. But sometimes I think that is dismissing the way we can handle this much quicker, and my bill removes the jurisdiction of the federal courts from the issue of abortion, if a state law says no abortion, it doesn’t go to the supreme court to be ruled out of order




--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineObey
The Analocalypse
Male


Registered: 10/19/08
Posts: 270
Loc: Dirty South Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14236685 - 04/04/11 03:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly madtown i agree with almost everything you posted above. 

He at a time was very against homosexuality, something that i dont subject myself to but i feel is completely harmless.  I also disagree with him on his pro-life stance.

I still support him more than about any other politician though due to:  -His believing in staying out of foreign affairs as much as possible. 
-I believe that the federal reserve needs to be audited asap also.
-He wants to end the drug war.
-He's a real constitutionalist, not like most of the idiots that sports the fact that they are in the tea party. 
-He is a huge critic of the incarceration system that we have.  after all we hold 25% of the worlds prisoners.


--------------------
Anything that is posted by myself Obey is completely fiction.  Any pictures posted come from an external unknown source.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinecommuneart
 User Gallery

Registered: 12/04/06
Posts: 1,021
Loc: Flag
Last seen: 12 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14244072 - 04/05/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:


I don't like his (lack of a) foreign policy.  Isolationism does not work in the 21st century.  Events outside of the borders of the United States have a very real impact on life here.  Pretending it doesn't is asinine.





It is not a lack of foreign policy at all to be exactly like the founding father, it is in fact the right foreign policy when it comes to the arab revolt, to iran, and everything else. the name is non-interventionism, not isolationism. Interventions around the world makes america hated. Non-interventionism means that the STATE does not intervene in revolutions abroad, Journalist and every single of our citizen can comment on the ground or from their armchair.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,289
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 9 days, 5 hours
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: communeart]
    #14244574 - 04/05/11 09:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The "Founding Fathers" invaded Canada, Libya, Morocco, Algeria, and perpetrated long-running wars of genocide against the native peoples of North America.

Let's not make them out to be something they aren't.

Even then, it was quite clear to the government that what happened in foreign countries had a direct impact on life in the United States.


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 2 days, 1 hour
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14245721 - 04/06/11 01:03 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Which founding fathers invaded Algeria?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineObey
The Analocalypse
Male


Registered: 10/19/08
Posts: 270
Loc: Dirty South Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14247478 - 04/06/11 01:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

The "Founding Fathers" invaded ..., Libya, Morocco, Algeria, ...




um lybia and algeria weren't even countries until the 1950's... somebody needs to pull their foot out of their mouth before they look like an idiot.  Whoops... too late :realbeavis: but hey man you got canada correct.


--------------------
Anything that is posted by myself Obey is completely fiction.  Any pictures posted come from an external unknown source.


Edited by Obey (04/06/11 01:53 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14247490 - 04/06/11 01:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I believe it was Jefferson but they didn't invade, they just bombarded the shit put of them.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,289
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 9 days, 5 hours
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14247571 - 04/06/11 01:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Obey said:
Quote:

The "Founding Fathers" invaded ..., Libya, Morocco, Algeria, ...




um lybia and algeria weren't even countries until the 1950's... somebody needs to pull their foot out of their mouth before they look like an idiot.  Whoops... too late :realbeavis: but hey man you got canada correct.




Modern day countries, of course.

Tripoli and Algiers would be in which countries?

Thanks, arguing semantics just makes you look like a petulant moron.


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineObey
The Analocalypse
Male


Registered: 10/19/08
Posts: 270
Loc: Dirty South Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14247578 - 04/06/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
I believe it was Jefferson but they didn't invade, they just bombarded the shit put of them.




are you talking about piracy off the African coast during that time?


--------------------
Anything that is posted by myself Obey is completely fiction.  Any pictures posted come from an external unknown source.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14247580 - 04/06/11 01:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yes


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineObey
The Analocalypse
Male


Registered: 10/19/08
Posts: 270
Loc: Dirty South Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #14247598 - 04/06/11 02:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Modern day countries, of course.

Tripoli and Algiers would be in which countries?

Thanks, arguing semantics just makes you look like a petulant moron.




congratulations you know geography.

and btw there was no such invasion of those countries anyways.

I don't have anything against you or anything zappa, I was just curious if that's what you were alluding to.


--------------------
Anything that is posted by myself Obey is completely fiction.  Any pictures posted come from an external unknown source.


Edited by Obey (04/06/11 02:05 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineMadtowntripper
Sun-Beams out of Cucumbers
 User Gallery


Registered: 03/06/03
Posts: 21,289
Loc: The Ocean of Notions
Last seen: 9 days, 5 hours
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14247797 - 04/06/11 02:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Obey said:
congratulations you know geography.

and btw there was no such invasion of those countries anyways.




Good God.

The Marine Hymn doesn't contain "To the Shores of Tripoli..." because they stood in the harbor and stared at them.

They invaded it.  Literally, with troops, and cannons, and marching across the desert, violating the sovereignty of several other countries along the way, I might add.

What is this revisionist history you're attempting to foist upon us?


--------------------
After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineObey
The Analocalypse
Male


Registered: 10/19/08
Posts: 270
Loc: Dirty South Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14247873 - 04/06/11 02:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

sry I didn't know 8 marines marching across a desert counted as an invasion by us (and yes i know that there were some muslims with them).  It's the same as saying that it was our troops that invaded during the bay of pigs.  I surrender i was apparently incorrect in this matter though.

foist, petulant, ... are you an english teacher or do you just have a Thesaurus and wikipedia open next to you at all times.

Edited by Obey (04/06/11 03:04 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14247933 - 04/06/11 03:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Obey said:
sry I didn't know 8 marines marching across a desert counted as an invasion by us (and yes i know that there were some muslims with them).  I surrender i was apparently incorrect in this matter.

foist, petulant, ... are you an english teacher or do you just have a Thesaurus and wikipedia open next to you at all times.



Neither of those words are particularly odd for someone with an education.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineObey
The Analocalypse
Male


Registered: 10/19/08
Posts: 270
Loc: Dirty South Flag
Last seen: 13 years, 1 month
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14247948 - 04/06/11 03:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:

Neither of those words are particularly odd for someone with an education.




not odd, but just uncommon unless your trying to sport mental superiority.


--------------------
Anything that is posted by myself Obey is completely fiction.  Any pictures posted come from an external unknown source.


Edited by Obey (04/06/11 03:08 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
    #14247971 - 04/06/11 03:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Obey said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:

Neither of those words are particularly odd for someone with an education.




not odd, but just uncommon unless your trying to sport mental superiority.



Very sad.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineRebirtha
I really like bread
Male User Gallery


Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 5,680
Loc: over there
Last seen: 2 days, 1 hour
Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14251961 - 04/07/11 08:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

When Paul talks about non interventionist foreign policy, he says it is the advice of the founders. Washington and Jefferson openly warned against unnecessary war and entangling alliances BECAUSE of the problems it created in the 1700s. They warned about it AFTER the mistakes of war were made, with the exeption of the Barbary war, which your history of it is skewed . Jefferson summed up the noninterventionist foreign policy position in his 1801 inaugural address: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." Just as Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex it doesn't mean that Eisenhower didn't contribute to it. It is the advice of those who made mistakes and didn't want others to repeat it. Also the First Barbary war you are referring in northern Africa to doesn't even go against Paul's beliefs. He's not completely anti-war, but believes war is justified in response to attack on the United States such as American merchant ships attacked in the late 1700s. Madtown, the way you make the US seem in during the Barbary War doesn't really show the true justification we had after repeated attempts to negotiate terms with them. The Pasha of Tripoli declared unofficial war on the US, not the other way around.

Also, what is wrong with you guys, can you not debate intelligently without personally putting each other down? It's pretty childish.

Edited by Rebirtha (04/07/11 09:40 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9  [ show all ]

Shop: Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   Myyco.com Golden Teacher Liquid Culture For Sale   PhytoExtractum Buy Bali Kratom Powder   North Spore Cultivation Supplies   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   OlympusMyco.com Olympus Myco Bulk Substrate   Bridgetown Botanicals Bridgetown Botanicals


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Ralph Nader to Debate Ron Paul Ancalagon 718 5 08/01/04 10:56 AM
by Tao
* Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Fact'
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 all )
ekomstop 17,550 176 09/28/04 12:14 AM
by ekomstop
* New Cheney Adviser Sets Syria In His Sights Zahid 556 1 10/21/03 09:40 AM
by lysergic
* How to Deal With a Psychopath: Give Him Nuclear Bombs ekomstop 493 0 09/24/04 07:20 AM
by ekomstop
* No Justification for the WTC Bombings?
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
Ravus 4,977 83 11/12/04 02:23 PM
by Phluck
* Paul Johnson Beheaded
( 1 2 all )
afoaf 1,898 30 06/19/04 12:41 AM
by Zahid
* Bomb it then sell it Xlea321 797 11 11/10/03 11:15 AM
by RandalFlagg
* Jewish terror cell members convicted in bombing plot wingnutx 566 2 09/18/03 01:52 PM
by wingnutx

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
4,969 topic views. 4 members, 4 guests and 9 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.085 seconds spending 0.013 seconds on 14 queries.