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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236467 - 04/04/11 02:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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not u rebirtha, sry somebody else earlier in the thread called him a nut job.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
#14236481 - 04/04/11 02:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fuck, I'll make it late in the thread. He's a fucking nut job.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236537 - 04/04/11 02:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know that I would group together pro-life and Christian, he was an obstetrician after all.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Rebirtha]
#14236560 - 04/04/11 02:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find it amusing that people just can't fathom that others might not like him because they don't agree with his ideas.
If you don't like Ron Paul, according to his supporters, you're either a supporter of the current power structure, or you're ignorant of his ideas, or you're hate the Constitution, or something like that.
It just needs to be understood that some of us simply don't agree with his policies.
I don't like, as zappa mentioned, his abortion policy. I am a firm believer in the right of a woman to abort a fetus she does not want to carry to term. To me, it's inviolate and sacrosanct.
I don't like his (lack of a) foreign policy. Isolationism does not work in the 21st century. Events outside of the borders of the United States have a very real impact on life here. Pretending it doesn't is asinine.
I don't believe in his complete rejection of the American economic model. The current government, not this administration, but the current set of rules and practices used by whomever is in power, has provided the highest standard of living to the highest number of people of any government in history. EVER. Tossing it aside because you believe you can do better, without any justification, is something not to be entered into as lightly as Mr. Paul's supporters seem willing to do.
In addition, I honestly believe that Mr. Paul is, or at least was at one time, virulently anti-homosexual, another stance that is absolute anathema to me and my political beliefs.
There are many reasons people may choose not to vote for Mr. Paul for any run at the Presidency he may undertake.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Madtowntripper]
#14236594 - 04/04/11 02:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are kind of eating your own words when you say that if you don't like Ron Paul you just don't understand his policies when you say that a woman has a right to choose. If you knew his policy it is that women DO have the right to choose because he doesn't believe federal government has the right to even take part in that debate. Anti-homosexual? all he talks about is personal freedom and civil liberties.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Rebirtha]
#14236635 - 04/04/11 02:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Abortion.htm
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On the right-to-life issue, I believe, I’m a real stickler for civil liberties. It’s academic to talk about civil liberties if you don’t talk about the true protection of all life. So if you are going to protect liberty, you have to protect the life of the unborn just as well.
I have a Bill in congress I certainly would promote and push as president, called the Sanctity of Life Amendment. We establish the principle that life begins at conception. And someone says, ‘oh why are you saying that?’ and I say, ‘well, that’s not a political statement -- that’s a scientific statement that I’m making!“
I know we’re all interested in a better court system and amending the constitution to protect life. But sometimes I think that is dismissing the way we can handle this much quicker, and my bill removes the jurisdiction of the federal courts from the issue of abortion, if a state law says no abortion, it doesn’t go to the supreme court to be ruled out of order
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
#14236685 - 04/04/11 03:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Honestly madtown i agree with almost everything you posted above.
He at a time was very against homosexuality, something that i dont subject myself to but i feel is completely harmless. I also disagree with him on his pro-life stance.
I still support him more than about any other politician though due to: -His believing in staying out of foreign affairs as much as possible. -I believe that the federal reserve needs to be audited asap also. -He wants to end the drug war. -He's a real constitutionalist, not like most of the idiots that sports the fact that they are in the tea party. -He is a huge critic of the incarceration system that we have. after all we hold 25% of the worlds prisoners.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
#14244072 - 04/05/11 08:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't like his (lack of a) foreign policy. Isolationism does not work in the 21st century. Events outside of the borders of the United States have a very real impact on life here. Pretending it doesn't is asinine.
It is not a lack of foreign policy at all to be exactly like the founding father, it is in fact the right foreign policy when it comes to the arab revolt, to iran, and everything else. the name is non-interventionism, not isolationism. Interventions around the world makes america hated. Non-interventionism means that the STATE does not intervene in revolutions abroad, Journalist and every single of our citizen can comment on the ground or from their armchair.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: communeart]
#14244574 - 04/05/11 09:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The "Founding Fathers" invaded Canada, Libya, Morocco, Algeria, and perpetrated long-running wars of genocide against the native peoples of North America.
Let's not make them out to be something they aren't.
Even then, it was quite clear to the government that what happened in foreign countries had a direct impact on life in the United States.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Madtowntripper]
#14245721 - 04/06/11 01:03 AM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Which founding fathers invaded Algeria?
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Rebirtha]
#14247478 - 04/06/11 01:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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The "Founding Fathers" invaded ..., Libya, Morocco, Algeria, ...
um lybia and algeria weren't even countries until the 1950's... somebody needs to pull their foot out of their mouth before they look like an idiot. Whoops... too late but hey man you got canada correct.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
#14247490 - 04/06/11 01:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe it was Jefferson but they didn't invade, they just bombarded the shit put of them.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
#14247571 - 04/06/11 01:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Obey said:
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The "Founding Fathers" invaded ..., Libya, Morocco, Algeria, ...
um lybia and algeria weren't even countries until the 1950's... somebody needs to pull their foot out of their mouth before they look like an idiot. Whoops... too late but hey man you got canada correct.
Modern day countries, of course.
Tripoli and Algiers would be in which countries?
Thanks, arguing semantics just makes you look like a petulant moron.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
#14247578 - 04/06/11 01:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I believe it was Jefferson but they didn't invade, they just bombarded the shit put of them.
are you talking about piracy off the African coast during that time?
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
#14247580 - 04/06/11 01:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Madtowntripper]
#14247598 - 04/06/11 02:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Modern day countries, of course.
Tripoli and Algiers would be in which countries?
Thanks, arguing semantics just makes you look like a petulant moron.
congratulations you know geography.
and btw there was no such invasion of those countries anyways.
I don't have anything against you or anything zappa, I was just curious if that's what you were alluding to.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
#14247797 - 04/06/11 02:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Obey said: congratulations you know geography.
and btw there was no such invasion of those countries anyways.
Good God.
The Marine Hymn doesn't contain "To the Shores of Tripoli..." because they stood in the harbor and stared at them.
They invaded it. Literally, with troops, and cannons, and marching across the desert, violating the sovereignty of several other countries along the way, I might add.
What is this revisionist history you're attempting to foist upon us?
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
#14247873 - 04/06/11 02:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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sry I didn't know 8 marines marching across a desert counted as an invasion by us (and yes i know that there were some muslims with them). It's the same as saying that it was our troops that invaded during the bay of pigs. I surrender i was apparently incorrect in this matter though.
foist, petulant, ... are you an english teacher or do you just have a Thesaurus and wikipedia open next to you at all times.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Obey]
#14247933 - 04/06/11 03:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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Obey said: sry I didn't know 8 marines marching across a desert counted as an invasion by us (and yes i know that there were some muslims with them). I surrender i was apparently incorrect in this matter.
foist, petulant, ... are you an english teacher or do you just have a Thesaurus and wikipedia open next to you at all times.
Neither of those words are particularly odd for someone with an education.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: zappaisgod]
#14247948 - 04/06/11 03:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Neither of those words are particularly odd for someone with an education.
not odd, but just uncommon unless your trying to sport mental superiority.
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