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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
#14037124 - 02/27/11 05:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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teknix said: Did you read what I was proposing?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14022364
Yes, that is direct democracy. How is that different from Athens, precisely? The Athenian system was more complex than simple direct democracy, yes, but major issues were voted on by the eligible members of the populace. It wasn't "representative democracy". Even your Wikipedia article says as much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy#Participation_and_exclusion
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The central events of the Athenian democracy were the meetings of the assembly (αΌΞΊΞΊΞ»Ξ·ΟΞ―Ξ± ekklesia). Unlike a parliament, the assembly's members were not elected, but attended by right when they chose. Greek democracy created at Athens was a direct, not a representative democracy: any adult male citizen of age could take part, and it was a duty to do so. The officials of the democracy were in part elected by the Assembly and in large part chosen by lot.
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" voted on by the eligible members of the populace."
Who were these eligible people?
Did we still have slaves and torture?
Did we have a global coalition?
Did we have internet?
Seriously?
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
#14037176 - 02/27/11 05:26 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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teknix said: " voted on by the eligible members of the populace."
Who were these eligible people?
Did we still have slaves and torture?
Did we have a global coalition?
Did we have internet?
Seriously?
I'll ask you the same. Seriously?
In order.
Adult male citizens.
Yes.
We don't now.
More of a hindrance.
Yes, seriously.
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We know the equation is different therefore the solution is subject to change.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
#14037195 - 02/27/11 05:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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teknix said: We know the equation is different therefore the solution is subject to change.
How, precisely is the equation different?
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haha.
Anyways, I have shit to do.
Have fun in your little world.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
#14037242 - 02/27/11 05:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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teknix said: haha.
Anyways, I have shit to do.
Have fun in your little world.
As I thought. Well, come back if you ever have a real argument and not just blanket assertions that things are "completely different". And can't say that reality is all that fun, honestly.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
#14037249 - 02/27/11 05:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have fun in your little illusions.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
#14037261 - 02/27/11 05:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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yah, the proof is there, very obvious to me. I don't know wtf's your prob.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
#14037275 - 02/27/11 05:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice puppet Icelander
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
#14037288 - 02/27/11 05:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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teknix said: yah, the proof is there, very obvious to me. I don't know wtf's your prob.
The proof of what? You still haven't made that clear.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
#14037297 - 02/27/11 05:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Funny how you come back when you say you gotta go. You did they same thing yesterday when you said you were too drunk to debate and then came back a little while later and tried to change the focus of the discussion.
I'm calling bull shit.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
#14050266 - 03/01/11 06:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think rand paul has a good chance to do something great in the future, he's alot like his father but he looks much better, and is very charismatic. I like ron paul, I don't a whole lot about him, but he appears to be less corrupt in thinking and behaving then most politicians. We need to get away from the two parties, I mean sure two parties is great, but we need more diversity, today, it just seems liek the two partys have merged into a grey area that doesnt seem to make any difference who you vote for. Like it has been previously stated, some of ron pauls ideas are 'out there' but honestly they make more sense then some of the same old shit that goes on everyday. I think some of his great ideas far outweigh the weird ones. He just seems genuine I guess, as people all had said about Obama, but didnt seem to hold true,.
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: snoot]
#14050343 - 03/01/11 06:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ron Paul just believes very strongly in freedom and the free market.
People need to realize that government is just a monopoly over everything in the private sector. It hurts business and it hurts our economy and it hurts our freedom and it hurts our safety. Everything the government does is literally screws us because it is not respecting self ownership and property rights! Our founding fathers knew this stuff, Austrian economists have known this. These are not new ideas, this is the root of classical liberalism. It is the most prosperous and humanitarian approach to a society.
I challenge anyone who does not stand on the side of liberty to offer an instance where government is needed. I will to the best of my knowledge explain to you why it actually hurts what it is proclaimed it helps.
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offer an instance where government is needed.
How about when another country invades?
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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
#14051440 - 03/01/11 09:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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How about when another country invades?
What would give them the incentive to raid if we are on good terms and acted in a peaceful neutral manor? Hatred has only ever been set off towards America when we have meddled in their country first whether it be by giving aid and propping up oppressive dictators like Mohammad-RezΔ ShΔh Pahlavi or Mubarak of Egypt. Beside, you wanna get down to it the Army was always supposed to just be "the people" the militia it was the peoples duty. If you had a gun you were defending your country. Notice how we never do any defending, we are always doing the attacking? It is completely evident that we are getting into the internal affairs of other nations and instilling hatred all to the benefit of the military industrial complex and at the sacrifice to our safety and freedoms. If we would follow what the founding fathers of this country said to trade with other nations and be friendly with them but never form alliances we would be a lot better off. Besides our militarism is stretched so thin all over the world right now being in 130 out of the 180 nations of the world, that makes us so much less safe to an attack here at home. As if it takes 100,000 troops to control 100 Taliban members, and thats just the start of it. We are less safe because of it.
And simply put if another country did invade it would ultimately be up to the people to defend themselves and their homes first and foremost and the army to help defend us. It would definitely be a very scary situation. I think at the least we should have a interventionist foreign policy as long as there are other nations in the world.
you should listen to his argument on staying out of Libya, it is very compelling.
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TheMacDaddyLongLeg said: What would give them the incentive to raid if we are on good terms and acted in a peaceful neutral manor?
So... you have no idea how people work, then?
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TheMacDaddyLongLeg said: What would give them the incentive to raid if we are on good terms and acted in a peaceful neutral manor?
Good Christ, only like, all of the time.
A cursory knowledge of world history will avail you of countless examples of one country, group, tribe, or other organized body making war on another such body for the simple purpose that they can.
It's human nature. I'm sure that even before the establishment of the groupings listed above that humans were fighting each other for no damned reason, or for the simple envy of a neighbors possessions.
Seriously though, the ignorance in your statement is astounding.
Ask the Mongols why the invaded most of the known world. Ask Alexander why he invaded Persia. Ask Hitler why he invaded Poland. Ask the United States why it invaded Cuba and the Philippines. Ask Mussolini why he invaded fucking Ethiopia, of all places.
Because they were crazy, or because they could, or simply because they wanted to.
War has been waged upon peaceful people by their stronger neighbors for no good reason as long as the human race has been in existence. A deterrent, most commonly in the form of a strong military, is a (the?) proven method for reducing the occurrence of such incidents.
A strong national defense, in modern times, can only be established by the power of a broad-based government. Not a city-guard, or a state militia, but a federal force is really the only conceivable way to muster the resources, be they technological, financial, or personnel, that are necessary to field the type of military that is considered a deterrent to aggression by volatile neighbors.
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I think I do. And I think that shows very obviously with countries who stay out of other nations affairs, look at the entire continent of Australia, Sweden, its always in the best interest to be friends with other nations, not set regulations.
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