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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036626 - 02/27/11 03:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I provided you an example . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy


"Athenian democracy developed in the Greek city-state of Athens, comprising the central city-state of Athens and the surrounding territory of Attica, around 508 BC. Athens was one of the first known democracies. Other Greek cities set up democracies, and even though most followed an Athenian model, none were as powerful, stable, or as well-documented as that of Athens. It remains a unique and intriguing experiment in direct democracy where the people do not elect representatives to vote on their behalf but vote on legislation and executive bills in their own right. Participation was by no means open, but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal."



Really dude? This is your argument? Okay, try reading Thucydides, and see what he has to say about Athenian democracy.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036629 - 02/27/11 03:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Taken from your link.  While not everyone was included a cross section of the population would have had basically the same effect of a total democracy.
but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal.

That's not much evidence imo.

I bet any grade schooler could find many differences between our current global state and the state then as obvious.

How about something more substantial?


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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036633 - 02/27/11 03:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Taken from your link.  While not everyone was included a cross section of the population would have had basically the same effect of a total democracy.
but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal.




Yeah, they had an in-group.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036638 - 02/27/11 03:45 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Taken from your link.  While not everyone was included a cross section of the population would have had basically the same effect of a total democracy.
but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal.




Yeah, they had an in-group.



Yeah it was male citizens.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036646 - 02/27/11 03:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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teknix said:
I provided you an example . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy


"Athenian democracy developed in the Greek city-state of Athens, comprising the central city-state of Athens and the surrounding territory of Attica, around 508 BC. Athens was one of the first known democracies. Other Greek cities set up democracies, and even though most followed an Athenian model, none were as powerful, stable, or as well-documented as that of Athens. It remains a unique and intriguing experiment in direct democracy where the people do not elect representatives to vote on their behalf but vote on legislation and executive bills in their own right. Participation was by no means open, but the in-group of participants was constituted with no reference to economic class and they participated on a scale that was truly phenomenal."



Really dude? This is your argument? Okay, try reading Thucydides, and see what he has to say about Athenian democracy.




I am pointing out a single example. I am not going to go through and find every single difference for you in relation to the times.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036648 - 02/27/11 03:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That represented every area of the population.

Like I said above that's not much evidence.

How about something more substantial?

I bet any grade schooler could find many differences between our current global state and the state then as obvious.

I'll bet not. You aren't willing to.


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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036656 - 02/27/11 03:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

How about we can take it to debate forum, if you have any substantial response.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036660 - 02/27/11 03:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This is a political debate forum.:shrug:


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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036670 - 02/27/11 03:50 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Regardless, there isn't a substantial response other than the substance of my post which is not disproven by your comment.

I am not going to write your book for you.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036681 - 02/27/11 03:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If you make a claim than back it. If not then stfu.

I bet any grade schooler could find many differences between our current global state and the state then as obvious.


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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: Icelander]
    #14036695 - 02/27/11 03:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You sir, are off your rocker.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036715 - 02/27/11 03:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I am pointing out a single example. I am not going to go through and find every single difference for you in relation to the times.




Okay, because you can't come up something more substantial than "onoez it wasn't everybody"?

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teknix said:
Regardless, there isn't a substantial response other than the substance of my post which is not disproven by your comment.

I am not going to write your book for you.



So... you admit that you're bullshitting? Because the issue here lies in the fact that Athenian democracy was direct democracy in action. And you are discounting it because?

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036744 - 02/27/11 04:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Sure I can, but I already said I won't.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036747 - 02/27/11 04:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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You sir, are off your rocker.





So personalisms are your response?  What a surprise. Whenever I back someone into a corner it's almost always this resort.  Nice play.


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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036749 - 02/27/11 04:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Sure I can, but I already said I won't.




Oh. In that case I won't explain to you why you're full of shit.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036755 - 02/27/11 04:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Why should I defy this personal will to appease your negative will?

I threw you a bone, which is obviously plenty substantial to prove my point.

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036764 - 02/27/11 04:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

bullshit. Your bone which was your link really supports the fact that Athens acted as a democracy in effect.


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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: teknix]
    #14036766 - 02/27/11 04:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Why should I defy this personal will to appease your negative will?

I threw you a bone, which is obviously plenty substantial to prove my point.



No. It isn't. Your point is that Athenian democracy is irrelevant to the viability of direct democracy. Your argument, from an unreliable source, is not sufficient to prove that.

Edited by phoxyilluminata (02/27/11 04:07 PM)

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Re: RON PAUL sets off another MONEY BOMB [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14036771 - 02/27/11 04:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Check the citations then. I am sure you can find more substance yourself.

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    #14036782 - 02/27/11 04:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Check the citations then. I am sure you can find more substance yourself.



Hi, you don't know me, but I have a degree in Classical Cultures. You. Are. Full. Of. Shit.

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