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    #14002018 - 02/21/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

it seems as if most of my wbs has either burst or seems 'burnt' ..
also usually mushy by feel.

15psi for 90m. i have a 23q so, 1/2-1inch water inside.

what would be the reason for this?


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: i95fl]
    #14002067 - 02/21/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe cooking time. I only cook my WBS for 45 minutes to an hour and that's all I've ever needed.


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: Eminence]
    #14002166 - 02/21/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

dont cook in the jars..

soak overnight

rinse well

put in a pot.. simmer for about 20-30 mins, or until wbs swells up.. dont do it too fast, or it will burst and get mushy.. you want it swollen to the point where you can crush it between your fingers, but no further..

rinse well and strain VERY well

pack into jars

PC @ 15psi for 60 mins.. 90 is probably overkill

make sure the water is no touching the jars.. you dont want the jars to boil really.. you want the steam from the PC to do the work..


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14002175 - 02/21/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ps.. tightly wrap aluminum foil around the top of the jar to stop moisture from getting in


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14002482 - 02/21/11 04:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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dont cook in the jars..

soak overnight

rinse well

put in a pot.. simmer for about 20-30 mins, or until wbs swells up.. dont do it too fast, or it will burst and get mushy.. you want it swollen to the point where you can crush it between your fingers, but no further..

rinse well and strain VERY well

pack into jars

PC @ 15psi for 60 mins.. 90 is probably overkill

make sure the water is no touching the jars.. you dont want the jars to boil really.. you want the steam from the PC to do the work..




thanks guys.

strange. i was told to do 90m, i guess this could be overkill, strange...

i have a pot like this one . http://www.walmart.com/ip/FASTTRACK-Mainstays-21-Quart-Stock-Pot/15127148

i think my pressure cooking needs to be turned down a notch, when i simmer it. it gets mushy, then 90m PC @ 15psi they are all bursted....
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i think i'll just strain it 15-20 times, like normal. and no simmer at all?


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: Eminence]
    #14002576 - 02/21/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe you need to back off the heat, you only need enough heat to maintain 10-15 psi pressure... too much heat will burn the grains, especially after 90 mins.

about an hour @ 10-15 psi is good... was your PC 'full of jars', like at capacity, or were you just doing a few pints/quart jars (less than 4 jars)?  the fewer jars in the PC, the shorter the process required to sterilize.

Even when I do 7 qt jars with 4 pint jars on top, I only run @ 15 psi for an hour... the cool down time adds an extra 20 mins.

Burst grains will still work though, even semi-burnt (pic?) grains.
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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: LurkingWizards]
    #14002640 - 02/21/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i just used fahtster's method for WBS and it worked great. i put a little too much grain in the jar though...

1.25 cups per quart jar should be perfect (1.5c is too much). water line about 2-3cm above the grain in the jar pre-PC. prepared lid setup + foil and PC. tek says 1h 10 min for rye. I did an hour after PSI was reached and I think next time I'll do 45-55 min.

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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: LurkingWizards]
    #14002665 - 02/21/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Defiantly soak for at least 12 hours before you simmer helps a lot. I always pc for 90 min. and don't have a problem with the grains bursting.


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: i95fl]
    #14002699 - 02/21/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I failed horribly when trying to simmer.. I always did it too long and my grains ended up bursting.  The last 14 jars I used Fooman's WBS tek and got amazing results.  If you want to try it out its in my signature  :dancer:


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: LurkingWizards]
    #14003545 - 02/21/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe you need to back off the heat, you only need enough heat to maintain 10-15 psi pressure... too much heat will burn the grains, especially after 90 mins.

about an hour @ 10-15 psi is good... was your PC 'full of jars', like at capacity, or were you just doing a few pints/quart jars (less than 4 jars)?  the fewer jars in the PC, the shorter the process required to sterilize.

Even when I do 7 qt jars with 4 pint jars on top, I only run @ 15 psi for an hour... the cool down time adds an extra 20 mins.

Burst grains will still work though, even semi-burnt (pic?) grains.
Best of luck to you:smile2:




before this process i strained 15-20 times, and before let the 24 hour soak.

(this pic is after PC 'Overnight Cooldown' 24hours)...although the kernels appear light in the picture, they are mostly bursted/burnt :omgz::shrug:

I'm starting to think it is a simmer process. i may also be putting to much water in the PC, i will just fill it up to the canning rack which is hardly a
1/2 inch i believe, correct me if i'm wrong(?). i've done 7 quarts and 5 quarts as well at one time all 90min 15psi (23qt)

I'm super confused, and contemplating on not simmering my grains anymore. i think a 60minute PC at 15psi will do.
i'm getting no luck on the quart jars that ive recently done (g2g/syringe).

much help would be appreciated :mushroom2::crazy2:


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: i95fl]
    #14003677 - 02/21/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If the grain is too wet when going into the cooker it will burst the grains....I do mine for 90 minutes at 15psi.....and yes, simmering them too hot or too long can burst the grains too when in the cooker


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: i95fl]
    #14003928 - 02/21/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't 'simmer' per say... my 24hr soak involves the hottest tap water my faucet will provide... rinse in hot water a few times... then I spread them out on the top of a tub-lid to steam dry...PC as usual.

I was mostly trying to point out that it does not take alot of heat to maintain that 15 psi...
once you hit 15 psi, do you back off your heat source?  if not, then try that... it is okay if the pressure drops to 10 psi for a while, just up the heat, ever so slightly.  I believe it is the excess heat burning your grains.

After looking at your pic, those don't look very burst/burnt.  I've had darker looking burnt WBS colonize just fine. So, don't worry too much.  And if they didn't work, just try again. :smile2:


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: Primal Call]
    #14004394 - 02/21/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i GrOw StUFF said:
If the grain is too wet when going into the cooker it will burst the grains....I do mine for 90 minutes at 15psi.....and yes, simmering them too hot or too long can burst the grains too when in the cooker




bingo hit it on the head. so , live and learn! i'll try different techniques for drying the wbs as well.
just a simple mesh sink strainer is as best as i can do right?

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I don't 'simmer' per say... my 24hr soak involves the hottest tap water my faucet will provide... rinse in hot water a few times... then I spread them out on the top of a tub-lid to steam dry...PC as usual.

I was mostly trying to point out that it does not take alot of heat to maintain that 15 psi...
once you hit 15 psi, do you back off your heat source?  if not, then try that... it is okay if the pressure drops to 10 psi for a while, just up the heat, ever so slightly.  I believe it is the excess heat burning your grains.

After looking at your pic, those don't look very burst/burnt.  I've had darker looking burnt WBS colonize just fine. So, don't worry too much.  And if they didn't work, just try again. :smile2:




i like the drying process on a tubberware lid. okay so in theory, i could skip the 'simmering' part and just unload hot faucet water to fuel the 24 soak instead then PC?

thanks for all the input again guys, new input on different days . that's why i love the community here:mushroom2:

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i just used fahtster's method for WBS and it worked great. i put a little too much grain in the jar though...

1.25 cups per quart jar should be perfect (1.5c is too much). water line about 2-3cm above the grain in the jar pre-PC.
good luck!




i inoculated my jars with (1-1.5c) no more no less.

which seem to be full by my standards, and the standards of certain teks a good CC.

It has almost been a week since i've inoculated the jars, starting on wednesday i believe. WHEN should i see growth/colonization ?


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: i95fl]
    #14004405 - 02/21/11 10:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

it can take upto 2 weeks to see signs of growth..

i recommend to do the simmer for 10-15 minutes after the soak to fully hydrate your wbs..


i've found that after straining, stirring occasionally to let more steam rise, take and spread your wbs out on a towel or newspaper and gently run a dry towel over the grains/wbs...to help get it dry on the outside..works very well for me..


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: i95fl]
    #14004438 - 02/21/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

After you drain it with a strainer, let it sit for 10 minutes, shake it every 2 minutes to get more water out.....then lay it out on a clean towel or a few strong paper towels on a table, 1/4 inch deep (around this deep, just spread it out)....Don't use a fan....Let it sit for a while until the "glimmering" look isn't on the seeds anymore (like the reflection of room light).....Every 20 minutes do the toilet paper test....Put a half a handful of seeds on the toilet paper. Dump the seeds back off onto the towel....If the toilet paper has wet moisture drops then it is too wet...It can have a couple little spots ive learned but NOT MUCH....Sometimes it takes me a couple hours.  I also run a paper towel VERY LIGHTLY over the seeds and move them around a little bit to help out....Remember that the moisture you want is on the inside of the seeds....


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Re: wbs burnt/burst' [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14004455 - 02/21/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

another way to tell, with out the toilet paper test.

i normally just grab a handful and dump them out slowly, if the grains stick to your hand then  it needs to dry a bit more, if the grains dont stick to your hand its good to go.


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