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Harri

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Favorite Mescaline Extraction 1
#14001528 - 02/21/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Been contemplating on doing an extraction and saw that 69Ron's D-Limonene Mescaline Extraction looks like a good place to start, and I realized I know very little to nothing about these extractions and would love to hear the Shroomery's opinion on the matter so...
What's your favorite way to extract this magical stuff and personally what do you feel to be the most efficient mescaline extraction?
Edited by Harri (02/21/11 01:48 PM)
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: Harri]
#14001542 - 02/21/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well I also agree with 69ron's method that's the only one I use now actually.
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: Harri]
#14001614 - 02/21/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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69Rons D-Limo tek on 100 grams of San Pedro powder sucks compared to an Everclear extraction or a tea of the same amount of cactus. I mean, it feels like Diet Mescaline. I've done the extraction many times I don't think it gets all the mescaline or the other goodies. It's always weak as shit even at high doses. It's just not efficient and I suspect it extracts more of the other chemicals while leaving a lot of the mescaline behind.
I'm a big fan the Everclear extraction where you pack the dried tar into gelcaps. It can get expensive though with Everclear, but we're all rich, right? Some people use isopropyl alcohol but I don't.
Lately I've been making a tea, boiling it down to half a shot glass, pouring it out on a glass plate and evaporating it into a powder. If I use two feet of bridgesii, I'll get 20 gelcaps of powder. 10 pills and I am on the edge of too much.
Fuck San Pedro. Buy bridgesii if you want strong trips and consistency with a much smaller amount of material to work with and consume.
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Harri

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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: Eminence]
#14001619 - 02/21/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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How did it turn out? What was your starting material and what did you end up with?
Also anyone know how to convert mescaline acetate to sulfate?
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Harri

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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: joemolloy]
#14001633 - 02/21/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: 69Rons D-Limo tek on 100 grams of San Pedro powder sucks compared to an Everclear extraction or a tea of the same amount of cactus. I mean, it feels like Diet Mescaline. I've done the extraction many times I don't think it gets all the mescaline or the other goodies. It's always weak as shit even at high doses. It's just not efficient and I suspect it extracts more of the other chemicals while leaving a lot of the mescaline behind.
I'm a big fan the Everclear extraction where you pack the dried tar into gelcaps. It can get expensive though with Everclear, but we're all rich, right? Some people use isopropyl alcohol but I don't.
Lately I've been making a tea, boiling it down to half a shot glass, pouring it out on a glass plate and evaporating it into a powder. If I use two feet of bridgesii, I'll get 20 gelcaps of powder. 10 pills and I am on the edge of too much.
Fuck San Pedro. Buy bridgesii if you want strong trips and consistency with a much smaller amount of material to work with and consume.
How does Bridgesii compare to Peruvian torch?
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: joemolloy]
#14001651 - 02/21/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe you're not doing it right I've done pretty much all the teks and had the best results with 69ron's way.
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: Harri] 1
#14001659 - 02/21/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Acetate, sulfate, it's all pale soup compared to a good water or alcohol extraction. The colors are so pronounced, the visions so vivid, and the headfuck so ecstatic when doing more traditional extractions. I know, to each his own and there are proponents on both sides, but damn, I felt cheated after finally making a strong tea with nothing but water and dried to a powder. 69Rons tek is like throwing my mescaline in the garbage. Your mileage may vary, enjoy either way.
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Harri

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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: joemolloy]
#14001718 - 02/21/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm curious to why it'd be so weak, is it from lack of mescaline or other alkaloids?
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joemolloy
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: joemolloy] 1
#14001725 - 02/21/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've had strong torch and weak torch. I've never had weak bridgesii. Once you try it, you'll think San Pedro is a scam and pity fools who use it.
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: joemolloy]
#14003585 - 02/21/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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back on the cactus train i see 
my favorite and most effective method so far is what malloy is talking about. Except I used a lemon for its citric acid during brewing.
I want to try the limonene tek with hcl instead of acetate and see where that takes me some day. It appears that you can get some relatively pure mescaline hcl with minimal use of hazardous materials.
As far as alcohol extractions go I've heard a lot of skepticism over the method. Some say its great and some say ney. It seems pretty easy though so maybe i'll give it a go one of these times
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Edited by floatingwater (02/21/11 08:00 PM)
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: floatingwater] 3
#14003699 - 02/21/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good god, joemolloy, way to be overly negative about something that is a matter of preference...
Fuck this, fuck that, this is bullshit, this sucks....
To the OP: try the limo extraction, but only if you have tried fresh cactus before. It's true nothing quite compares to a good brew from some fresh stuff.
Don't listen to any of this ridiculous noise telling you that one sp. of cactus is better than another. It's obviously about personal preference. I personally don't prefer bridgesii to either pedro or torch.
Also, I've said it before a million times: cactus and mescaline are DIFFERENT, and one shouldn't expect the same effects from them. Yes, mescaline can be a lot more laid back than cactus even at high doses, but if one knows how to work with the chemical, one can achieve states of mind that are difficult to access with a full spectrum cactus extraction.
It also depends on whether you continue with 69ron's MEK purification process to obtain pure mescaline, or whether you keep your product as a full spectrum brown sludge.
The goopy brown stuff will not be at uniform dosage. Sometimes 300mg of it will really hit you intensely while sometimes even 400 or more can be on the low end. It is not of predictable potency if it is not purified.
So please, do experiment with different methods of preparation.
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Harri

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Quote:
ReoSpeedwagon153 said: Good god, joemolloy, way to be overly negative about something that is a matter of preference...
Fuck this, fuck that, this is bullshit, this sucks....
To the OP: try the limo extraction, but only if you have tried fresh cactus before. It's true nothing quite compares to a good brew from some fresh stuff.
Don't listen to any of this ridiculous noise telling you that one sp. of cactus is better than another. It's obviously about personal preference. I personally don't prefer bridgesii to either pedro or torch.
Also, I've said it before a million times: cactus and mescaline are DIFFERENT, and one shouldn't expect the same effects from them. Yes, mescaline can be a lot more laid back than cactus even at high doses, but if one knows how to work with the chemical, one can achieve states of mind that are difficult to access with a full spectrum cactus extraction.
It also depends on whether you continue with 69ron's MEK purification process to obtain pure mescaline, or whether you keep your product as a full spectrum brown sludge.
The goopy brown stuff will not be at uniform dosage. Sometimes 300mg of it will really hit you intensely while sometimes even 400 or more can be on the low end. It is not of predictable potency if it is not purified.
So please, do experiment with different methods of preparation.
Most helpful response so far, Thanks man! +5
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joemolloy
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Quote:
ReoSpeedwagon153 said: Good god, joemolloy, way to be overly negative about something that is a matter of preference...
Fuck this, fuck that, this is bullshit, this sucks....
Don't listen to any of this ridiculous noise telling you that one sp. of cactus is better than another. It's obviously about personal preference. I personally don't prefer bridgesii to either pedro or torch.
Keep in mind there are always threads about people who are disappointed with their San Pedro trip either because it was weak or a total dud. They pop up all the time here on the shroomery.
You'll never see a thread where someone was disappointed with bridgesii.
As far as one species being better, eat two feet of San Pedro to take you where one skinny foot of bridgesii will take you.
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: joemolloy]
#14006212 - 02/22/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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my best Trichocereus experience was from combining pedro and bridgesii. Boiled it up the old-fashioned way over a small campfire. Amazingly visual, but almost overwhelming in the mental department. I also ended up drinking double my portion because my buddy declined on his cup of goop. 
I love the 69 ron tek to death but none of my acetate experiences were stronger than the ones i had on tea or alcohol extract.
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: joemolloy] 1
#14006759 - 02/22/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey, the only time I ever tried bridgesii I boiled up a foot and a half then dry heaved my guts out for a couple hours. This was followed by a really amazing, incredible trip, but still.... I've never had physical effects like that from pedro or torch even at very strong doses. I've seen people who have, though.
Plus, if you look at potency as the only valuable trait of the cactus, you are missing out on the unique character of each one. Bridgesii is very, very potent.... but I'm sure you know that it sometimes actually contains less mescaline than the others, while still being stronger. It has other alkaloids that significantly affect the strength - so what you are experiencing is not just mescaline, but actually a synergy of dozens of compounds.
San pedro and torch usually have more mescaline than other alkaloids, and are therefore better used for an extraction that seeks to isolate mescaline from other alkaloids.
Pure mescaline isn't a very overwhelming psychedelic. Like b. caapi, it requires that one puts focus into the experience. It will not fully unfold if one merely sits back and waits for effects. In my experience, the other alkaloids add a degree of depth and overtness to the experience, but at the expense of a sort of clarity that pure mesc provides. It's an LSD-like clarity, but it can be muddied by other alkaloids. I like a good mix of the clarity and the depth, which is why I prefer san pedro!
And again, the synergy that comes about from carefully preparing a fresh cactus specimen, no matter what the species, and cooking it traditionally is a totally different thing to me than an alkaloid extraction.
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joemolloy
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Pure mescaline isn't a very overwhelming psychedelic. Like b. caapi, it requires that one puts focus into the experience. It will not fully unfold if one merely sits back and waits for effects. In my experience, the other alkaloids add a degree of depth and overtness to the experience, but at the expense of a sort of clarity that pure mesc provides. It's an LSD-like clarity, but it can be muddied by other alkaloids. I like a good mix of the clarity and the depth, which is why I prefer san pedro!
And again, the synergy that comes about from carefully preparing a fresh cactus specimen, no matter what the species, and cooking it traditionally is a totally different thing to me than an alkaloid extraction.
I agree with that, Reo.
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: joemolloy]
#14007446 - 02/22/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Funnily enough, I just came here to ask you guy about 69rons tek. Is there any way around getting a seperatory funnel or one of those gravy things he talks about? For an experiment that I *might* end up fucking up, thats quite a bit of money to drop for science that I'll probably only do once.
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: RasJeph]
#14007536 - 02/22/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Vinegar freezes, limonene does not.
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Oh, too cool. So, I could freeze and then just pour off? Would any (harmful) residue be leftover?
Also, can anyone suggest a place to buy limonene online? I can't seem to find it except for in powder form (and I want liquid according to the tek).
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Re: Favorite Mescaline Extraction [Re: RasJeph]
#14018766 - 02/24/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I did a quick search for ya and came up with this. I don't know what the average price is for d-limonene but $60 for a gallon seems expensive, but I wouldn't know since I haven't seen much at all to compare it to. I also haven't seen or done the tek in a while, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't need more than a gallon.
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