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Smirnoff



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Growing on manure (Question)
#14001347 - 02/21/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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First, it's kinda hard for me to find hpoo near my location. Recently, I found this at my hardware store and I was wondering if I could use it the same way I would use hpoo. I have no idea if it'll work because it says "composted cattle manure (0.5/0.5/0.5)" and I've never encountered/worked with that kind of manure before. They have cattle, sheep and steer manure.
Edited by Smirnoff (02/21/11 01:17 PM)
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DJYoshaBYD


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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Smirnoff]
#14001369 - 02/21/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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use coir.. lol.. no need for poo.. especially if you cannot find it.. coir will give you plenty of great results at a cheap price.. i stopped using doodoo after discovering coir..
give it a shot.. you can find coir at almost every pet store in a "brick" form.. but truth be told, you can get coir for like, half price at most hydro shops in the same form..
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Smirnoff]
#14001381 - 02/21/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This stuff is composted somehow. This can get muddy if you try to get it to field capacity and it smells like ... guess what?! Maybe you have some more success with it. Better use coir.
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Smirnoff



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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Smirnoff]
#14001415 - 02/21/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea I also saw this at the same time. A 9lb brick of coir for $5.99, I'll definitely give it a try.
Should I use 50/50 coir verm with a pinch of gypsum or only coir?
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Smirnoff]
#14001465 - 02/21/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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fur cheesy.. lol
i think when i got it at the pet store, it was like 6 bucks for 1 brick, which expands to 9 times its size or something like that.. its alot..
but the hydro shop had it for 2.99 per brick, with a 3 pack for 6 or 7 bucks..
use some verm in it.. dry.. only add 1 gallon of water when preparing, add it to the verm brick and a 3 or 4 cups of dry verm.. it will help stop the substrate from compacting on itself, which helps mycelium growth, and also the dry verm will soak up any extra moisture, holding it until the coir needs it.. i used straight coir hella times, and its good, but the verm just makes everything a lil better..
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Luger0815]
#14001483 - 02/21/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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black kow manure is composted as well and it works well for me
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DJYoshaBYD


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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14001491 - 02/21/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Should I use 50/50 coir verm with a pinch of gypsum or only coir?
no.. NEVER case it straight coir.. its a substrate, not a casing.. and really, in my opinion, should never be used in a casing layer at all.. same goes for peat.. it goes against the what a casing layer is and does..
but, you can just use 5050.. straight verm works very well, and you will probably never get trich from it.. lol.. unless you substrate had it.. whatever works.. no need to change the casing layer..
i have used 5050 and straight verm for crumbled cakes, grain, bulk, etc.. they both accomplish the job of a casing layer.. its just one is a true casing layer.. the other is not..
coir/peat used in casing layers just change the color of the casing, telling you that it needs to be misted.. plus, i see 5050 casings overlay like a son of a bitch if you dont pay attention.. straight verm doesnt really overlay
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14001575 - 02/21/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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DJYoshaBYD said:
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Should I use 50/50 coir verm with a pinch of gypsum or only coir?
no.. NEVER case it straight coir.. its a substrate, not a casing.. and really, in my opinion, should never be used in a casing layer at all.. same goes for peat.. it goes against the what a casing layer is and does..
but, you can just use 5050.. straight verm works very well, and you will probably never get trich from it.. lol.. unless you substrate had it.. whatever works.. no need to change the casing layer..
i have used 5050 and straight verm for crumbled cakes, grain, bulk, etc.. they both accomplish the job of a casing layer.. its just one is a true casing layer.. the other is not..
coir/peat used in casing layers just change the color of the casing, telling you that it needs to be misted.. plus, i see 5050 casings overlay like a son of a bitch if you dont pay attention.. straight verm doesnt really overlay
I was talking about the substrate not the casing layer... I think you misread/misunderstood.... but thanks for the infos
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Smirnoff]
#14001604 - 02/21/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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ah.. well you said 5050, and thats the ratio for casing.. lol.. my bad
i would say 80% coir and 20% verm.. the gypsum is optional.. wont hurt though.. use a good amount of spawn to mix with the sub, as well... this will give you a faster spawn run, leaving less window of chance for contams..
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14001828 - 02/21/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The verm @20% is to prevent the coir from compressing on itself and also to give the substrate a fluffy compacity, allowing the mycelium to colonize faster and more easily. Gypsum helps regulating the pH and is used to prevent the substrate from "sticking" together. Right?
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Smirnoff]
#14001862 - 02/21/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Smirnoff said: The verm @20% is to prevent the coir from compressing on itself and also to give the substrate a fluffy compacity, allowing the mycelium to colonize faster and more easily. Gypsum helps regulating the pH and is used to prevent the substrate from "sticking" together. Right?
giggity..
although, again, gypsum is optional.. if you have it, use it.. i just dont go out of my way to get it..
but even then, with coir a verm mixture, you will still be fine..
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14001936 - 02/21/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I read your WBS/Coir tek. Helped alot. Good tek btw really easy to understand with many clear explanations... really good.
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Smirnoff]
#14001998 - 02/21/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Verm and gypsum also spend some minerals/nutrition's, this is improtent for a good yield.
Edited by Luger0815 (02/21/11 03:17 PM)
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DJYoshaBYD


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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Smirnoff]
#14002002 - 02/21/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Smirnoff said: I read your WBS/Coir tek. Helped alot. Good tek btw really easy to understand with many clear explanations... really good.
sweeeet.. i didnt think anyone even looked at that shit.. im going to do a 2.0 version here pretty soon.. some updates..
make sure you strain the SHIT out of the WBS.. i actually add a bit of dry verm into the jars with the wbs before PCing, to help as a buffer for moisture.. bunch of stuff.. ill post it here whenever i get around to writing the damn thing.. lol
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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14002096 - 02/21/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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DJYoshaBYD said:
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Smirnoff said: I read your WBS/Coir tek. Helped alot. Good tek btw really easy to understand with many clear explanations... really good.
sweeeet.. i didnt think anyone even looked at that shit.. im going to do a 2.0 version here pretty soon.. some updates..
make sure you strain the SHIT out of the WBS.. i actually add a bit of dry verm into the jars with the wbs before PCing, to help as a buffer for moisture.. bunch of stuff.. ill post it here whenever i get around to writing the damn thing.. lol
Don't you forget posting it here when it'll be done. 
also, add some pic in the 2.0
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Edited by Smirnoff (02/21/11 03:11 PM)
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DJYoshaBYD


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Re: Growing on manure (Question) [Re: Smirnoff]
#14002137 - 02/21/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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that was going to be the main point of the 2.0.. lol
this one wont be with a martha, though.. ill probably start taking pics today, since im just now building another setup.. better now than never..
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