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Coca cultivation
    #1400060 - 03/22/03 09:10 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Is there anybody who knows how to cultivate cocaplants? Is it easy? Anybody tried it yet? Any good links maybe.
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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: Funkey]
    #1400149 - 03/22/03 09:54 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Apperantly it's a lot harder to find the seeds.


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: Funkey]
    #1400203 - 03/22/03 10:19 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: DazedSol]
    #1400295 - 03/22/03 10:59 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.ethnogarden.com/ecoca.htm

are these similar to the coca species?


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: A0999]
    #1400410 - 03/22/03 12:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Ummmm.....come on now, what do you think  :smirk: 


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: DazedSol]
    #1400684 - 03/22/03 02:33 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i assume so. im not possitive about it though cause i dont know as much about botany as i know about manufactured cocaine.


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: psychopsilocyber]
    #1401659 - 03/22/03 11:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Apperantly it's a lot harder to find the seeds 



Well, a friend of mine said that he had seen a cocaplant in the national botanical garden of Belgium! :smile: He took a very small cutting with him an tried to plant it, but it died shortly there after. :frown: Maybe he'll go back to take a new cutting.

Thanks for the great links!!! They could help a lot! 


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: Funkey]
    #1402204 - 03/23/03 06:47 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Don't worry about cultivating coca unless its just for fun/ornamental. Unless you are at the right elevation, it won't produce noticeable amts of cocaine.


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: DazedSol]
    #1405481 - 03/24/03 10:08 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.ethnogarden.com/ecoca.htm

are these similar to the coca species?





this may sound dumb but i just want a definate answer, was it yes or no? do they both contain the same alkaloids?


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: A0999]
    #1405850 - 03/24/03 12:22 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

From:

Biological activity of the alkaloids of Erythroxylum coca and Erythroxylum novogranatense
by
Novak M, Salemink CA, Khan I.
J Ethnopharmacol 1984 May;10(3):261-74

ABSTRACT
"The cultivated Erythroxylum
varieties E. coca var. coca, E. coca var. ipadu, E. novogranatense var. novogranatense and E. novogranatense var. truxillense contain 18 alkaloids, identified so far, belonging to the tropanes, pyrrolidines and pyridines, with cocaine as the main alkaloid....."



EDIT: This might help too. BTW: Erythroxylum novogranatense is sometimes called "Lowland Coca or Lowland Cocaine"


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: neuro]
    #1445338 - 04/10/03 02:00 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Trust me when I say Coca leaf Tea is like Coffee+happy day..  Ever hear that song "it's a beautiful morning!"  This stuff is amazing and It's so sad doctors in the 1900's had to addict 80% of the population by perscribing cocaine for everything and then blaming the plant not themselves... anyway..

(though.. Coca tea=drug test FAIL)

Also Coca seed germenation rate goes from 98% to 0% in just 4 weeks.. why you don't see to much of it.

The plants I have, E. novogranatense (novo), grow great in East Texas. but require a lot of bug control.

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GROWING ERYTHROXYLUM NOVOGRANATENSE
FOR HOBBY/CONSERVATION PURPOSE


TAXONOMY:
Among the genus Erythroxylum, cocaine-rich leaves are obtained from 4 taxa:
E.coca var.coca (Bolivian or Huanuco coca), E.coca var.ipadu (Amazonian
coca), E.novogranatense var.novogranatense (Colombian coca) and
E.novogranatense var.truxillense (Trujillo coca). E. coca var.coca is
considered the ancestor, while E.novogranatense var.truxillense is derived
from it, and E.novogranatense var. novogranatense derived from
E.novogranatense var. truxillense. Wild populations of E.coca var.coca are
found in the eastern Andes, but the other 3 taxa are only known as
cultivated plants.

There are 2 varieties of E.novogranatense: E.novogranatense
var.novogranatense (Colombian coca) and E. novogranatense var. truxillense
(Trujillo coca). E.novogranatense var.novogranatense is native to Colombia
and Venezuela, but its adaptability and easy propagation has led to a wide
distribution over the Old and New World tropics. It  was introduced in the
Bogor Botanical Garden (West Java, Indonesia) in 1875, and by 1888 large
quantities of seed were already being distributed. In South-East Asia, it
has been grown in Peninsular Malaysia, western and eastern Java, northern
Borneo, northern Sulawesi (Minahasa) and the Philippines (Luzon).  E.
novogranatense var. truxillense is grown in arid areas in northern Peru.
Neither of these 2 varieties is known from wild populations.

LEGALITY:
Possessing E.novogranatense is currently legal in many countries, including
the US.

COCAINE CONTENT:
In an extensive study, the cocaine content in leaves of E.coca var.coca (30
samples) was found to range from 0.23-0.96%, with a mean of 0.63%, while the
cocaine content in E.coca var.ipadu (6 samples) was lower: 0.11-0.41%, with
an average of 0.25%. E.novogranatense var.novogranatense (3 samples)
contained 0.55-0.93% cocaine, with an average of 0.77% and E.novogranatense
var. truxillense (14 samples) 0.42-1.02%, with a mean of 0.72%.

ECOLOGY:
E.coca var.coca is well adapted to the eastern Andes of Peru and and
Bolivia, an area of humid, tropical, montane forest, whereas E.coca
var.ipadu is cultivated in the lowland Amazonian basin. E.novogranatense is
a highland variety that is utilized in lowland areas. It is cultivated in
drier regions in South America. However, E.novogranatense is very adaptable
to varying ecological conditions, and grows well in both humid and dry
areas, and at low and higher altitudes. In Java, E.novogranatense has been
cultivated from sea-level to 1000 m altitude, with best results at 400-600
m. In controlled environment studies, the optimum average daily temperature
for leave growth for E.novogranatense var.novogranatense was found to be
around 27 C, whereas leaf growth was generally higher at photosynthetic
photon flux densities (PPFD) of 250 or 400 micromol per meter square per
second than at 155 micromol per meter square per second. Environmental
effects on the cocaine concentration in the leaves were smaller, so that
total cocaine production per plant was largely a function of leaf mass, with
environmental conditions that stimulated leaf growth giving higher cocaine
yields. Both species grow on soils with low pH, and a greenhouse study has
shown that the optimum pH for biomass accumulation of E.coca and
E.novogranatense is as low as 3.5 and 4.7-6.0, respectively.

PROPAGATION AND PLANTING:
E.novogranatense var.novogranatense, E.novogranatense var.truxillense and
E.coca var.coca have to be reproduced by seed, because vegetative
propagation is difficult. However, E.coca var.ipadu does not produce seed
and is produced by stem cuttings. It cannot reproduce without human
interference. Cultivated E.novogranatense var.novogranatense produces
abundant seed and is easy to propagate. Seed viability decreases rapidly.
Germination percentages of E.coca and E.novogranatense seed were found to
decrease from around 95% and 89% directly after harvesting to 29% and 0%,
respectively, after 24 days' storage at 4 C. Coca seedlings are usually sown
in shaded nurseries and transplanted to the field when they are about one
year old and 20-25 cm tall. In the field, they are planted at a spacing of
1-2 m. The actual time of transplanting and the spacing of the plants varies
with climatic factors and whether coca is interplanted or cultivated as a
sole corp.

Another interesting point is the South American coca farmers when collecting
their seeds, pour them into a container of water and the seeds that float
are discarded as they are non viable, another fact is that seeds collected
from a plant grown by cutting, ie "clonal propagation" are not viable as
they possess no embryo. Most South American coca farmers use this method as
it results in earlier harvesting, and as a consequence the chance of
obtaining viable seeds from Peru etc is becoming very difficult.

IDENTIFICATION:
To identify E. novogranatense var. novogranatense from E.novogranatense
var.truxillense: The leaves of E.novogranatense var.truxillense does not
possess parallel lines either side of the central vein like all other
varieties.

HARVESTING:
The first harvest of coca takes place at 1-3 years after transplanting. In
Java, a first harvest can be expected within a year after transplanting. The
leaves have to be stiff and easily detachable to be harvested. Leaves can be
harvested every 50-60 days in the rainy season, but when it is drier, they
are usually harvested every 3-4 months. The leaves should be pinched from
the plant, not ripped off.

GROWING INSTRUCTIONS:
All soil, containers and a place for the residence of the young shoots
should be provided before attempting to germinate the seeds and plant them.
They must be germinated very quickly after they are ready or they will lose
their vitality. In Normal (dry) condition, the seed should not be more than
three weeks old before germination.

On cocal plantations the seeds are generally germinated by keeping them in a
heap three or four inches deep and saturated with water until they
germinate. The sprouts are picked apart very carefully and planted in hills,
though they are sometimes strewn on the grown to grow until they are moved
to a hill. The young, tender shoots are kept well protected from the
occasional but harsh sun and covered from the rain.

This can be simulated quite well by germinating the seeds between two pieces
of bandage gauze (several layers of paper towel can be used equally as
effectively) and placed in a damp saucer. You can keep the saucer right in
the greenhouse where they will finally reside. With the sun filters drawn,
of course. It is important that the seeds are kept damp during this
sprouting period or they will dry out and die. The precaution of keeping
them in the greenhouse until they sprout is not absolutely necessary. They
have been sprouted by simply keeping them damp in the fashion described
above and at a slightly cool room temperature: 18 C - 20 C, or 64 F to 68 F,
much the same conditions as needed by the growing plants. Make sure to
protect the seeds from direct sunlight.

As soon as the seeds have formed sprouts, which might be anywhere between
a day and two weeks, they should be placed slightly below the surface of the
soil - about 1/8  inches (0.3 cm) and certainly no more than 1/4 inches (0.6
cm) - with the soil (or propagating medium) loosely packed around them. To
insure maximum success with each seed, proper placement in the soil or
propagating medium can be important. The sprout would be underneath with the
seed pointing slightly up, at about a 45 degrees angle. This will allow the
newly formed sprout to raise toward the surface of the soil or propagating
medium quickly without having to bend and face the possibility of breaking
itself. It will also give the sprout the shortest possible distance to
travel to the surface of the soil or propagating medium, allowing the
process of photosynthesis to begin as soon as possible.

The sprout should break the surface of the soil or propagating medium in a
week to ten days. Of course, when the sprout is visible and the process of
photosynthesis begins, the young plant will have to be placed in the
greenhouse. If the seeds are started in clay pots, care should be taken to
keep the humidity high and keep them sufficiently watered, for these small
pots will dry out quickly, and a dry pot will mean a dead seedling. The 2
inches pot should be sufficient for the young plant for several weeks,
depending on how fast it grows. When it reaches two or three times the
height of the pot (4 inches - 6 inches, or 10 cm - 15 cm ), it will be ready
for its first transplanting.

As you are germinating the novo seeds, patient is a key. Don't try to remove
the seed coat in order to get the leaves out, in other words: just let
nature do the work. No need to touch the seedling too often, as it might
stress the seedling who is trying to adapt for the new situation. During the
early growth (since the seedling begin to have stem), provide the high
humidity around the seedling by covering it in a half-cut transparent
polyethylene plastic bottle.


GROWING TIPS:
Please check your medium because this is very important. Add more moisture
when needed. Soil holds water more then Rockwool, and needs less water,
anyway you should always keep the soil moist in the seedling stage, but not
waterlogged either. If you want to be simple, use Rockwool as a medium,
because you only need to mist twice a day. Overwatering is not a problem as
excess water runs out through drains freely.
The best type of lighting for the germinating and seeding stages, are the
flourescent lighting fixtures, the 250 watt or the 400 watt. When using the
250's or 400's in the seeding stage, keep the lights far back from the
seedlings until your confident they have ajusted to the lighting. If you use
artificial light, I recommend using GRO-LUX STANDARD lamp for propagation
and seedlings. But when the plant has been ready for transplanting,
gradually increase the amount of light by exposing your grown-up plant under
direct sunlight, or if it's not available, I recommend using GRO-LUX WIDE
SPECTRUM LAMP for general growing and blooming (available in 15 W 18", 20 W
24" and 40 W 48").
Don't Overfertilize, most commercial fertilizers are  aggressive chemicals,
so in general be careful with using them: more definitely does not mean
better!! Start to fertilize after the first spiked leaves appear. Don't
fertilize every time you water.
Don't underfertilize either. Under fertilizing is less common but it
happens. If you are one of those people that likes to give the plant just
enough nutrients make sure you use an organic soil mixture with blood meal
and bone meal or some slow release fertilizer with micro nutrients. Organic
growing is recommended.  Your medium could suffer nutrient unbalance.
Take small steps (slowly) in your attempts to balance your nutrient solution. It is better to under-feed your plants than to overdose them.
Table of Key for Identification of Mineral Deficiencies
Young Leaves burned...... defficiency of B
Older Leaves burned...... defficency of Zn
Old leaves drop... defficiency of N
Don't forget that your problem may not necessarily be a lack of any
particular nutrient, the issue is often availability. High pH can prevent
plants from absorbing vital nutrients. Extreme humidity may cause leaves to
remain tissue thin like a paper.

LOG BOOK:
When propagating the seeds, it is a good idea to write your own log book.
The following is a part of a log taken from someone who succesfully grows
the novo from seeds:

* August 10, 1999: received
* August 11, 1999: germination from one, second one started but then died
* August 12, 1999: transplanted into small red round pots (diameter about 5
cm) inside the plastic bottle frame
* August 16, 1999: 4 cm 2 leaves opening
* December 18, 1999: 9 cm 6 leaves
* January 16, 2000: transplanted to bigger square black pots (8 cm side) and
some of the stem is put inside the the earth to make it stand more steady,
height now about 6-7 cm, still 6-7 leaves but they are getting a lot bigger
now. One leaf is about 2 cm in length and and 0,8 cm in wide, the other are
smaller but still getting bigger. The progress is very promising according
to my opinion. BTW I have removed the vermiculite and sphagnum moss. The
humidity is still very high and I don't have the problem any more  from a
kind of mold on the vermiculite. Lucky enough it didn't hurt the coca
seedling.
 


Hope that is enough info to wet your whistle...  Natives Chew the lives with lime 24/7 as it makes work fun and gives energy. They have been doing so day after day for 3000+ years without ill effects..  Coca is one of the oldest, if not THE oldest, of the companion plants. 

Cocaine and the Coca plant are far far from each other.. don't confuse the two.

Also don't think you could grow 10 bushes and make yourself some cocaine  :grin:  You'd need several Kilo's of material, some ether (probably a bunch of glass tube things and a scientest guy, and you'd get like enough for a Saturday night party with Charlie Sheen.. 


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: Raedon]
    #1445353 - 04/10/03 02:04 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Just wanted to add to not by from http://www.ethnogarden.com/ecoca.htm as they want $65 for 5 seeds and those seeds are always older then 4 weeks I hear.


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: Raedon]
    #1448789 - 04/11/03 04:57 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks a lot for the great info Raedon, if you ever have some fresh seeds for sale or trade, let me know.
edit: Five shrooms for you!!!


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: Raedon]
    #1631095 - 06/13/03 12:44 PM (14 years, 14 days ago)

Well, that's CDN$65...not US$65...

Also, their seeds are shipped direct from the grower when harvested and are wrapped in moss to help protect them and they're pods not bare seeds. On their page they clearly state that viability is reduced after four weeks...

Yes, quite expensive for 5 seeds...but rare and hard to cultivate seeds often do tend to be expensive.

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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: Funkey]
    #1631531 - 06/13/03 04:36 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

>>Thanks a lot for the great info Raedon, if you ever have some fresh seeds for sale or trade, let me know.
edit: Five shrooms for you!!!


I second that, if you got extras lemme know..


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: Raedon]
    #1632815 - 06/14/03 10:20 AM (14 years, 13 days ago)

love the tea :laugh: 


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: comario2]
    #1632923 - 06/14/03 12:16 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

a couple of years ago a AFOAF went as far as to climb some mountains to plant some coca seeds but he was lazy and never went up again.. hmm i wonder if they are still there


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: buckwheat]
    #1633033 - 06/14/03 01:42 PM (14 years, 13 days ago)

I wanna try the tea :frown:
Maybe they sell it in other countries...


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: DailyPot]
    #1633054 - 06/14/03 02:08 PM (14 years, 12 days ago)

there is a web site that sells tea bags with coca leaves, outta florida. someone should post that if they know it.


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Re: Coca cultivation [Re: A0999]
    #1634071 - 06/15/03 12:36 AM (14 years, 12 days ago)

no they shouldn't.


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