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Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat
    #1400025 - 03/22/03 08:54 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Here's an article published in Foreign affairs magazine written by Condoleezza Rice (http://www.foreignpolicy2000.org/library/issuebriefs/readingnotes/fa_rice.html).
Here's an interesting part about Iraqui & N. Korean WMD. It seems that she doesn't really beleive that Iraq WMD are a real threat to USA.

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These regimes are living on borrowed time, so there need be no sense of panic about them. Rather, the first line of defense should be a clear and classical statement of deterrence -- if they do acquire WMD, their weapons will be unusable because any attempt to use them will bring national obliteration.




So is possesion of WMD really a good reason to attack Iraq?  :grin: :grin: :grin: 


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: zeronio]
    #1400049 - 03/22/03 09:05 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

national obliteration

what the hell does that mean?


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: ]
    #1400681 - 03/22/03 02:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

It means to turn their countries into parking lots.


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: zeronio]
    #1401326 - 03/22/03 07:38 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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I hate that bitch....


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: zeronio]
    #1401358 - 03/22/03 07:53 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

So we should wait for them to use them (megadeath), and then we should whip them out after the fact (more megadeath).
That's brilliant.
Ever heard of preventative maintenance


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1401467 - 03/22/03 08:33 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Ever hear of MAD (mutual assured destruction) concept that kept the cold war cold?

She wanted to say that WMD are not a threat because those who are in possesion of it would never dare to use it.
This shows that even high US officials don't beleive that they're attacking Iraq because of WMD. It's good only for manufacturing pro-war public opinion.


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: zeronio]
    #1401535 - 03/22/03 09:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

With a sane person that is true but Saddam is not exactly sane by most reports.
trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is in itself insane.


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1622535 - 06/10/03 12:40 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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With a sane person that is true but Saddam is not exactly sane by most reports.
trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is in itself insane.


Ya, he went totally crazy and attacked the US in the past decade, or anyone else for that matter. -=oB


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1622545 - 06/10/03 12:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

last i herd the us was the only country to use nukes. also over 500,000 cancer deaths across the midwest were due to nuke testing in arizona. 500,000 of our own people.


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: uno]
    #1622629 - 06/10/03 01:08 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Ya, he went totally crazy and attacked the US in the past decade, or anyone else for that matter. -=oB




I know right. Like all those mass graves. But it is ok to kill his own people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2785095.stm
http://www.hrw.org/photos/2003/iraq/
http://indypgh.org/news/2003/04/5625.php


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: 1stimer]
    #1622642 - 06/10/03 01:13 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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last i herd the us was the only country to use nukes. also over 500,000 cancer deaths across the midwest were due to nuke testing in arizona. 500,000 of our own people.




You must have quit listening.http://www.geo.arizona.edu/~/paquette/NUCS/history.html


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1622837 - 06/10/03 02:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's funny that this thread was started before the war. I wanted to show that the current administration knows that WMD of countires like Iraq & North Korea aren't a threat to USA. Now it seems that Iraq didn't even have any.
Administration deliberatly caused panic and mass hysteria to convince people to support war.


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1622941 - 06/10/03 03:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Ya, he went totally crazy and attacked the US in the past decade, or anyone else for that matter. -=oB




I know right. Like all those mass graves. But it is ok to kill his own people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2785095.stm
http://www.hrw.org/photos/2003/iraq/
http://indypgh.org/news/2003/04/5625.php


By "anyone else" I meant another nation. Sorry, next time I'll specify. There is also a difference between killing dissidents and uprisers and declaring war on other nations.


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: uno]
    #1623289 - 06/10/03 10:46 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

So it is ok to kill people that don't agree with you?


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1624906 - 06/10/03 11:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Actually, Saddam is rather sane. He never attacked the US -- he only defended his country against it. He never threatened to take action except in defense, at least against the US. He actually had somewhat decent reason to think that the US wouldn't do anything about Kuwaite. As far as the US goes, he was only defending the sovereignty of his own country and committing a little invasion. I mean, we'd been supporting him invading Iran all the time...

Hussein was an evil bastard, but he wasn't nuts.


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1625805 - 06/11/03 08:18 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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With a sane person that is true but Saddam is not exactly sane by most reports.
trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is in itself insane.




Ask yourself how you formed this opinion, you didnt do it all by yourself did you? What shred of evidence is there to suggest Saddam would have attacked us if we hadnt attacked him first?
Why dont you just wiseup and admit our governments are basically gangsters and all they have done is invaded anothers gangsters turf to benefit themselves. All this other shit about WMD and the threat of Saddam insane is just grass for the sheep.


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1640168 - 06/17/03 06:32 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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HagbardCeline said:
So it is ok to kill people that don't agree with you?


Didn't we prove that its ok in the US's eyes?


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1640201 - 06/17/03 06:43 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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mntlfngrs said:
With a sane person that is true but Saddam is not exactly sane by most reports.
trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is in itself insane.




Restraint with what? sand? his non-WMD?...i've only heard the propoganda describing one side of his actions, and having never been there or met the guy,,, admit any opinion i may have is only that...

See in a country like his where there are several strong factions willing to fight to the death regardless of civil war, executions may be what he thought were nescessary to keep "order"...not saying he didn't do it for completely selfish reasons, or without consciouns.....just you cant say...


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Re: Condoleezza Rice about WMD threat [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1640568 - 06/17/03 09:50 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

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I know right. Like all those mass graves. But it is ok to kill his own people.




Pro war people always fall back on that.

It's terrible that Saddam killed his own people, but you act like that's the reason we invaded. If it is the reason we invaded why aren't we invading every other country that kills it's own people?




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