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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: n.dangerously]
    #14014727 - 02/23/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Why is it a delusion? Wouldn't death be the only way to completely abolish one's death anxiety? Maybe the only way to have ultimate control is to give up what control (or lack thereof) we have.




But is it really control, or is is just another arbitrary decision that we are guided by external factors to make?

(I don't know the answer BTW :lol:)


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14014967 - 02/23/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It's the only way of having control over how your life ends that I can think of. Would it not be the only way to, at will, completely remove the anxiety of death from the individual's mind?


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: n.dangerously]
    #14015036 - 02/23/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How easy is it to choose to end your life?

It typically isn't much of a choice but rather what emerges in the mind as the last viable option for escaping tremendous suffering.


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Kickle]
    #14015056 - 02/23/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This brings up an interesting point. The balance inherent in all things.  If you push death anxiety too far as in how much it bothers you the opposite effect is achieved as in suicide. The goal being to stay alive at all costs.  How convoluted our psychology is imo.:monkeydance:


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Icelander]
    #14015251 - 02/23/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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This brings up an interesting point. The balance inherent in all things.  If you push death anxiety too far as in how much it bothers you the opposite effect is achieved as in suicide. The goal being to stay alive at all costs.  How convoluted our psychology is imo.:monkeydance:




Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
you're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me, yeah.
I'm stayin' alive.

Do you think the song "Staying Alive" has anything to do with death anixety?  I'm sorry in advance if you think the Bee Gees were supercial disco dweebs. :grin:


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Kickle]
    #14015376 - 02/23/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It doesn't seem too far-fetched that one would take that path because, in their mind, they have no control over anything in life. So they grab hold of the only thing they can.


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: HippieChick8]
    #14015406 - 02/23/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
This brings up an interesting point. The balance inherent in all things.  If you push death anxiety too far as in how much it bothers you the opposite effect is achieved as in suicide. The goal being to stay alive at all costs.  How convoluted our psychology is imo.:monkeydance:




Whether you're a brother or whether you're a mother,
you're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
and we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha, stayin' alive.

Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Life goin' nowhere. Somebody help me, yeah.
I'm stayin' alive.

Do you think the song "Staying Alive" has anything to do with death anixety?  I'm sorry in advance if you think the Bee Gees were supercial disco dweebs. :grin:






At one time, many years ago, this was one of my favorite songs.


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14015976 - 02/23/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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n.dangerously said:
Why is it a delusion? Wouldn't death be the only way to completely abolish one's death anxiety? Maybe the only way to have ultimate control is to give up what control (or lack thereof) we have.




But is it really control, or is is just another arbitrary decision that we are guided by external factors to make?

(I don't know the answer BTW :lol:)




How isn't it control? External or internal forces create your suffering, but in the end it's YOU pulling the trigger, or whatever you DECIDE to do to finish yourself off. The more you want to kill yourself the less control the death anxiety has over your actions. If you don't want to die only nature can have "control" over when you leave this world. Hopefully the next stop is nirvana :wink:. Wouldn't that be a nice surprise for the person who committed suicide? :smile:


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #14015998 - 02/23/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Check out this thread if you want an active discussion of why it is or isn't control.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14015567


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Kickle]
    #14016593 - 02/23/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Kickle said:
Check out this thread if you want an active discussion of why it is or isn't control.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14015567




Thanks for the link. I don't think I swayed off topic though, if you were implying that. If you kill yourself that means there was nothing preventing you from doing it. The more pain you have the the more you want to die. The more you want to die the less death anxiety you have. Which proves death anxiety exists. Only by killing yourself can you prove that you had no death anxiety. If none of us are in control of anything we do, then it's the pain making the decision of pulling the trigger for us or death anxiety for the opposite.


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #14016613 - 02/23/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Death anxiety is the driving force behind suicide. Suicide is just the last tactic we can utilize to try and hide from it. HAHA! The suffering won't find me here!


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #14016667 - 02/23/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wouldn't pain be the driving force behind suicide and death anxiety behind the decision to do it? I guess I'm going to have to read The Denial of Death :lol:. I though death anxiety was the fear of death. Welcoming death to hide from the pain represents the opposite of this fear to me.


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Kickle]
    #14016711 - 02/23/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Death anxiety is the driving force behind suicide. Suicide is just the last tactic we can utilize to try and hide from it. HAHA! The suffering won't find me here!




The problem comes when you don't even believe that anymore.  :eek:


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #14016713 - 02/23/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Death anxiety is a subtle prod to keep moving. Do NOT stop. And suicide is as much an action as anything. It's still movement. And it is movement that is ultimately prodded by the very same thing as all other movement.


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Cups]
    #14016754 - 02/23/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Death anxiety is the driving force behind suicide. Suicide is just the last tactic we can utilize to try and hide from it. HAHA! The suffering won't find me here!




The problem comes when you don't even believe that anymore.  :eek:




They need an emoticon for that kind of laugh that is uncomfortable... :smirk:


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Cups]
    #14016841 - 02/23/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can see how death anxiety can prolong the suicide process, but I don't see how it's the driving force behind actually pulling the trigger and putting a bullet through your brain. Your hiding from suffering by killing yourself and not the fear of death. I don't see how ending suffering stems from death anxiety? Its hard to grasp. I'll have to read the book soon I guess :grin:.


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #14016857 - 02/23/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

sounds good :smile:


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Kickle]
    #14016889 - 02/23/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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sounds good :smile:




Me reading the book? :grin:


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: dustinthewind13]
    #14016901 - 02/23/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Aye


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Re: Prove death anxiety. [Re: Kickle]
    #14016933 - 02/23/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Will do.


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