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Re: Where could DNA possibly come from? [Re: Harri] 2
#14007292 - 02/22/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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None of that makes any sense. It's made up New Age gibberish with zero basis in observable reality.
You might as wall compare the Tooth Fairy to the Ford Pinto.
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Re: Where could DNA possibly come from? [Re: Diploid]
#14007384 - 02/22/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You might as wall compare the Tooth Fairy to the Ford Pinto.
I have and the Ford won but not by much.
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Re: Where could DNA possibly come from? [Re: Icelander]
#14007714 - 02/22/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I drove one of those when I as in skool. I'm pretty sure someone in west Miami is still driving it.
No it never blew up (at least not while I owned it).
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Re: Where could DNA possibly come from? [Re: Diploid]
#14008173 - 02/22/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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how exactly did you arrive at that conclusion
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Re: Where could DNA possibly come from? [Re: learningtofly]
#14008360 - 02/22/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cuz its nonsense- things don't change proportionally as scale increases. Distance from point to point increases linearly with increasing dimensions, area with the square, volume with the cube, and so on. Things are not all relative- when you go to bigger or smaller scales, the relevant forces and their contributions change making any comparison of the sort discussed previously completely impossible.
There's a reason why things tend to be a particular size. This has been discussed before in the "fractal universe" threads. So far, nobody's really explained the obvious problems of physical effects scalling at different orders of magnitude as distances increase.
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Re: Where could DNA possibly come from? [Re: Harri]
#14008408 - 02/22/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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OverStoned said: Maybe cells are to humans as molecules are to cells and as atoms are to molecules?
quarks/leptons to atoms = atoms to molecules = molecules to cells = cells to humans = humans to earth = earth/planets to galaxies = galaxies to universes
Let's take it a step further, quarks/leptons to atoms = atoms to molecules = molecules to cells = cells to humans = humans to earth = earth/planets to galaxies = galaxies to universes = universes to quarks/leptons
This isn't middle earth dude... that shit makes NO SENSE and is based on nothing except your imagination!
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Re: Where could DNA possibly come from? [Re: learningtofly]
#14008510 - 02/22/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You wouldn't ask that question if you'd ever been to Hialeah.
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Of course it's nonsense, it's pretty interesting though. Btw I didn't know this thread was supposed to be taken seriously just a fun thought provoking discussion. I guess not
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Re: Where could DNA possibly come from? [Re: Harri]
#14008643 - 02/22/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Harri said: Of course it's nonsense, it's pretty interesting though. Btw I didn't know this thread was supposed to be taken seriously just a fun thought provoking discussion. I guess not 
This is a debate style forum if you want to present "interesting ideas" go to S&M
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Re: Where could DNA possibly come from? [Re: Diploid]
#14010040 - 02/22/11 09:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Where could DNA possibly come from?
How about simple chemistry and the laws of thermodynamics?
The specific mechanism of the origin of life on Earth isn't known. However, it has been shown that complex amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) can self-synthesis given the right conditions. DNA is simple by comparison to many proteins.
Chemists Stanley Miller's and Harold Urey's famous experiment in 1953 put water, methane, hydrogen, and ammonia in a closed, sterile environment with an electric spark to simulate lightning.
After a few days they analyzed the contents of the experiment and found that amino acids, the critical organic molecules essential to life out of which proteins are made, had appeared by themselves. The four carbon chemical bonds in the methane had broken free and rearranged themselves into the building blocks of life.
This happened without the benefit of a designer, alien, creator, Spaghetti Monster, or anything else besides water, methane, hydrogen, ammonia and a spark.
Although it is now believed that the Earth's atmosphere at the time of abiogenesis did not contain enough carbon or free nitrogen for this to have been the synthetic route to the first organism, it nevertheless clearly established that a natural processes COULD have produced the first life on Earth and more modern experiments confirm this.
This idea that abiogenesis is highly unlikely or impossible is bullshit made up by people with a mystic-head slant who don't understand simple chemistry or thermodynamics and sadly never bother to educate themselves because education and truth would undermine their pre-conclusions about magic.
I love shit like this, blows my mind. If anything though it deepens the mysteries of the universe and my appreciation and respect for it and makes more questions arise in this skull of mine, leaving me feeling incomplete and yearning for more.
I find the whole God vs Science shit silly, foolish and fruitless. Especially since things are as they, regardless of what we choose to perceive or cast specific perceptions onto. It reminds me of a quote. "The soul has greater need of the ideal than of the real. It is by the real that we exist, it is by the ideal that we live." -Victor Hugo Spirituality (Not closed minded dogmatic religion, mind you.) and Science have their deeply respective places in the roles of being these strange creatures we are and often intertwine and feed off one another and fuel one another if one is intelligent enough. I.E Mr. Sagan.
Do you have any other sources on this information Diploid? I would love to look over it in awe.
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