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3n1gm4
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SGFC/Creepers & B+ two weeks may see hyphal knotting, might re dunk tonight...
#13999813 - 02/21/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Anyone done any creepers and know how long they usually take to pin? I have searched the forums but it seems like all the creeper info I find is spawned on horse poo. Do creepers not do well on PF Tek? I think maybe there is an issue with my SGFC, I re wet the perlite until water dripped from bottom holes, should I take the cakes out and try to re fluff and drain the perlite?
They have been growing strange looking knots with little bumps all over them but they don't look like hyphal knotting. They are in a SGFC built to specs I fan at least 5 times a day, mist 2 or three times with a fine mist, the humidity is constant 95%+ and the temp is constant 69 to 70F(except when I fan and mist both drop a little). I have a B+ cake in the same FC and it has 14 pins on it but they are growing kinda slowly IMO, the pins on the B+ double in size about every two days.
Is there something I am doing wrong? Someone told me if they don't pin in two weeks that you should re dunk them.
Could it have been the type of BRF that I used maybe had too much sodium content? I used this flour and it has 5mg of sodium per 1/4 cup. Here are all the nutritional values of the flour I used. http://www.iherb.com/Bob-s-Red-Mill-Whole-Grain-Brown-Rice-Flour-Stone-Ground-Gluten-Free-24-oz-680-g/14684
Someone please help, this is my first grow and I don't know what to do. I have been told everything from not to mist them at all for 3 to 5 days to re dunking them and I have not gotten an answer from a trusted cultivator or someone with experience with creepers. I still have three creeper jars consolidating and I am going to just let them sit until they pin because that is the only pins I have gotten so far is invitro pins from one B+ cake. I can take and post pics if it will help, anyone with creeper experience or suggestions, or has had slow pinning with creepers please reply. THANKS!
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: 3n1gm4]
#13999816 - 02/21/11 07:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Creepers? Is that a strain of Ps cubensis?
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3n1gm4
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: Doc_T]
#14000031 - 02/21/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I hope this isn't double posting but nobody has answered me on my other post, my other post is pretty much a grow log although I asked the same question about my non pinning cakes with no answer. I just need to know what I should do about my non pinning cakes. Two of them are B+ and two are Creeper, so apparently it is something wrong with my SGFC or something I did or am doing because the only cake that has pinned was in the jar when it did, should I take all the cakes out and try to fluff and drain the perlite since I re wet it, am I not fanning enough, am I not misting enough? What are my options someone please help?
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14000719 - 02/21/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I also have bumps on my cakes but they are lil knot like shapes opposed to your regular bump. They look like a knot in a rope and tiny stem shaped "bumps". Can anyone comfirm if this sounds like knotting? Can you describe your bumps? My sgfc is a bucket full of 1/8 holes covered with a plastic bag on top. After i leave it sit over night it has condensation on the bag at the top and on the walls. Im guessing my 5 inches of damp perlite and the occasional mist and i fan like 6 times a day. So hopefully humidity is good. I would post a pic but idk how from my phone. Sorry i didnt really answer your question. Im just also on my first grow n very curious about these bumps on my cakes as well.
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: jb4789]
#14000767 - 02/21/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would be patient.. sometimes it may take longer than anticipated.. especially with multispore inoculations, simply because its more of a crapshoot with substrains, that may or may not have slightly different properties than others..
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: jb4789]
#14000919 - 02/21/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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jb4789 said: I also have bumps on my cakes but they are lil knot like shapes opposed to your regular bump. They look like a knot in a rope and tiny stem shaped "bumps". Can anyone comfirm if this sounds like knotting? Can you describe your bumps? My sgfc is a bucket full of 1/8 holes covered with a plastic bag on top. After i leave it sit over night it has condensation on the bag at the top and on the walls. Im guessing my 5 inches of damp perlite and the occasional mist and i fan like 6 times a day. So hopefully humidity is good. I would post a pic but idk how from my phone. Sorry i didnt really answer your question. Im just also on my first grow n very curious about these bumps on my cakes as well.
The hyphal knots I have seen on my one cake that actually pinned just looked like tiny pearls at first and then grew longer and got a dark spot at the tip. I have mounds of mycelium with little bumps forming on my cakes, I am guessing because they were pint jars and I didn't let them consolidate long enough. I guess with pints even though they are completely colonized it may take longer than a week to fully consolidate. That is why I am going to leave my last 3 in the jars till they start pinning and then dunk and roll them. On the top of this cake is an example of the lumps with tiny bumps forming on my non pinning cakes.
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14003361 - 02/21/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I read an old thread that scratching your cakes in an X pattern with a sterile knife where you want them to pin will help them develop pins by damaging the myc and forcing it to pin in those damaged spots. Is there any truth to this or is this outdated and unnecessary?
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14003457 - 02/21/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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it sounds ridiculous.
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14004425 - 02/21/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea those bumps look a little different than mine. Mine also started forming on the sides of one cake. I hope it pins soon. Oh about scratching the cake, dont do it. I know im no trusted cultivator and im on my first grow, but ive read these forums of mushroom cultivation for around 5 months now, and ive never heard of this so it probably is outdated. I mean unless you want to test it with a spare cake and confirm lol
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: jb4789]
#14004989 - 02/22/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would think that it might pin cause of the damage because you would probably initiate a a shock response but you would damage other areas where it may pin. even if that works you are losing part of the mycelium. haste makes waste.
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: xMADSCIENTISTx]
#14008855 - 02/22/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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im growing creepers... and its my first grow... everythings fine so far... they took maybe a 2 weeks to start pinning... but so far everything looks great
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14008926 - 02/22/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't go scratching your cakes. Pick up the cakes and you can tell from the weight if they need re-dunking. While they're out of the fruiting chamber, use your fingers to rake and fluff up the perlite.
Once you have cakes in the terrarium with proper fanning, light becomes critical. I'd set the tub outside on a bright day for a few minutes, or at least put it in a window receiving direct sun for several minutes each day. RR
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Re: Creepers two weeks no pins or knotting, PF Tek(BRF VERM SGFC) [Re: bianka]
#14009055 - 02/22/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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bianka said: im growing creepers... and its my first grow... everythings fine so far... they took maybe a 2 weeks to start pinning... but so far everything looks great
How did you do them BRF jars? and how long did they take to colonize and how long did you consolidate? Where did you get your spores from?
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RogerRabbit said: Don't go scratching your cakes. Pick up the cakes and you can tell from the weight if they need re-dunking. While they're out of the fruiting chamber, use your fingers to rake and fluff up the perlite.
Once you have cakes in the terrarium with proper fanning, light becomes critical. I'd set the tub outside on a bright day for a few minutes, or at least put it in a window receiving direct sun for several minutes each day. RR
Thanks RR yeah I have them right by an east window so they get indirect sun and 6500k cfl light,been pretty cloudy here but they have gotten direct sun a few times, I have been misting only morning and night with a very fine mist from about a foot away till I see little dew drops. Then I fan them till almost all moisture is gone, the other fannings are just for GE (about 30 seconds). Someone told me that would help them pin.
I fan probably 5 or 6 times a day not counting the morning and evening misting fanning, every few hours or when I think about it. The only thing that I can think of that would be slowing my pinning down is my temps are at about a steady 65-68F. I will pick them up before I mist them tonight and see if they feel light, and re dunk them if so. I am beginning to see what looks like hyphal knotting on one of them so I will be extra careful with it although it may just be a piece of perlite. The only mushies I have so far are ones that started invitro on a B+ cake, 2 small pins on another B+ cake, I am beginning to think that it is just my creeper spores I bought from earthstounge, I am still waiting as patiently as I can tho. Trying to help out other noobs on here when I can to kill the time. Thanks again
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Edited by 3n1gm4 (02/22/11 06:25 PM)
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