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OfflineTulaberry
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    #13999288 - 02/21/11 01:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry] * 2
    #13999290 - 02/21/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What's immoral about providing a service that other people are willing to pay for?


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Cabinet_Sanchez]
    #13999413 - 02/21/11 02:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What's immoral about providing a service that other people are willing to pay for?




like sex? :eatingout:

i think this is a delicate subject. some do it, some don't. you decide.
if you do, however, i'd say you dont just provide the fruits but also
information, as you are more familiar with all this stuff than they are.
that might hold your moral issues at bay :O


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Cabinet_Sanchez]
    #13999417 - 02/21/11 02:16 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think there's anything inherently immoral about selling them.  One thing you might want to consider is how some people who take them recreationally go crazy and do retarded things.  If that would make you feel guilty then you might not want to sell them.  It really depends on your own personal morals though.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #13999498 - 02/21/11 02:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: waves] * 2
    #13999510 - 02/21/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If selling them means they are getting in more peoples hands, I say go for it! I wish more people sold psychedelics.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Mario_x86-64] * 4
    #13999513 - 02/21/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If selling them means they are getting in more peoples hands, I say go for it! I wish more people sold psychedelics.




we'd need to organize flashmobs all over the world with shroomers throwing shitloads of shrooms in all directions
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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Mario_x86-64]
    #13999514 - 02/21/11 02:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you feel used now, imagine how you would feel if your friend was making a bunch of money from shrooms that you gave him for free.

I say sell them, but if you feel guilty about it, just make sure that your friend sells them for a lower price than is normal in your area.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #13999575 - 02/21/11 03:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

not to dishearten you or anything, but whenever I tried to sell psychedelics, it always somehow backfired on me. either money didn't show up, the drugs were bunk (after having tried them myself and they were fine), stuff never showing up, or I made the deal and got the money, and whatever I bought with the money broke/got broken almost immediately

I gave up on selling drugs after that. some people got it, others don't :shrug:

if you feel it's the wrong thing to do, then it probably is. don't do it, it's not worth the moral stress playing on your conscience. some people are able to do it without any internal crisis, good for them. i guess there are two types of people in this world;

those who sell drugs, and those who take them
i'm just a user i suppose


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Aser]
    #13999594 - 02/21/11 03:59 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Aser said:
If you feel used now, imagine how you would feel if your friend was making a bunch of money from shrooms that you gave him for free.

I say sell them, but if you feel guilty about it, just make sure that your friend sells them for a lower price than is normal in your area.





what about them poor drug dealers? they won't like price dumping. especially when their customers cease to use narcotica because they realized the stupidity of it thru mushrooms :grin:


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #13999647 - 02/21/11 05:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i think its wrong to sell them for profit.


cover ur costs or whatever or get them to TRADE you for something you'd like, i.e. some mush for some cid, or something.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Mario_x86-64]
    #13999665 - 02/21/11 05:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If selling them means they are getting in more peoples hands, I say go for it! I wish more people sold psychedelics.




i agree. i don't like this idea that it's wrong to sell psychedelics. the way i look at it, the dealer deserves to make a profit because of the huge risk is he taking (risking his freedom) to sell to you. the price of psychedelics isn't even important to me, the experience can be so priceless that paying a couple dollars extra for it is never something i would think twice about.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #13999707 - 02/21/11 06:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with the people that say go for it, don't let anyone know your growin em or keep it as minimal as possible. Ive known lots of people who manufacture/grow certain illegal substances who have been robbed by the people they think they trust or had those same people flip in a heartbeat when those big bad piggies tell them their ass is fried.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: porcupine]
    #13999714 - 02/21/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You are already risking your freedom and you are already paying for the materials and using your time. I say sell. You could always put the money back into your hobby or if you are having a moral dilemma then donate the money to a charity of your choice or something.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Psilocital Inebria]
    #13999716 - 02/21/11 06:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Any moral issue is one you created yourself.

If you look at the situation honestly, you will find that the mushrooms don't give two shits, nor does some mushroom spirit give two shits, and nor does the consumer give two shits.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Psilocital Inebria]
    #13999729 - 02/21/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think encouraging people to sell psychedelics is good. First, it is more than likely illegal. Secondly, imagine if you sold that guy your shrooms and he sold it to some kid who had a horrible trip and killed himself or caused irreparable damage to his or someone's family. If you found out imagine how you would feel. I'd really do some deep thinking if this were an endeavor I was considering.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #13999736 - 02/21/11 06:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Prison.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Doc_T]
    #13999738 - 02/21/11 06:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

just sell them for less than any of the other local shroom dealers when you do, and give them for free to people to who seem cool but broke


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: morrowasted]
    #13999740 - 02/21/11 07:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think encouraging people to sell psychedelics is good. First, it is more than likely illegal. Secondly, imagine if you sold that guy your shrooms and he sold it to some kid who had a horrible trip and killed himself or caused irreparable damage to his or someone's family. If you found out imagine how you would feel. I'd really do some deep thinking if this were an endeavor I was considering.




He's not forcing anyone to buy them and Shrooms are relatively harmless. Better for someone to take shrooms than something like meth or coke or heroin. There are plenty of legal things that do more damage.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: migraineur]
    #13999787 - 02/21/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmmmmmmm alcohol can make you act dumb as hell and has serious long term health risks, and its perfectly legal and kids are doin it everyday, would have to agree with the person above, morally i wouldnt worry, not like your shoving it down their throats then robbing em.
I would worry about the legal ramifications though.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: migraineur]
    #13999791 - 02/21/11 07:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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He's not forcing anyone to buy them and Shrooms are relatively harmless. Better for someone to take shrooms than something like meth or coke or heroin. There are plenty of legal things that do more damage.




I agree, that shrooms are no where near as damaging as meth or cocaine (especially crack) is to a community. I still feel that this is a moral dilemma that he needs to work out on his own, as each of our human experiences is different and unique. I do not feel that this is a decision that should be based on asking a question on a forum and doing what the general consensus dictates. There can be unintended consequences as a result of his decisions. He needs to be aware of that. Also, remember that a mushroom grow doesn't tell on itself... The more people that buy from his friend, the more people who, if they get caught, are going to point fingers. Those fingers could lead straight back to him, even if he trusts his friend. Fight or flight responses are very strong when being faced with prison terms.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Doc_T]
    #14000007 - 02/21/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Prison.




Not that fun I hear.
Just eat em...


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: esquaredx]
    #14000101 - 02/21/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am personally against selling mushrooms but also feel it's not my place to judge others.
I see mushrooms as a gift, and dispite what the government says, not a drug. But I do not grow them, but hunt them.

What if you were to charge just enough to cover your expenses? Figure out how much you spend in supplies, electricity, your time, then set a goal to recoup the costs? Could be sort of a co-op!

Really,'I would also consider the liabilities... Someone whacked on your fruits, kills themselves or someone else... Cops, prison, being sued.... Just thinking it would cause a bad time for you, and it's just money..... do you need more stress in your life?

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #14000678 - 02/21/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Basically, what you should do in determining if this endeavor is moral or not is ask yourself these questions:

1. Does this compromise anyone's life (including your own)?
2. Will this cause harm unto others?
3. Is it fair to all concerned?
4. Do you believe it is honest?
5. Will this limit or deprive anyone of their individual freedom?
6. And finally, would you want someone else to do the same for/to you?

Ponder these and the answer should become clear, but don't forget to consider the consequences and implications of your actions, as they are just as important.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Shady J]
    #14000734 - 02/21/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hustle that shit :dealer:

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: SalviNate]
    #14000774 - 02/21/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

when I have sold psychedelics in the past, I always tried to sell them to only good friends and for prices that they would be able to make a profit from too.

I don't think it's wrong to sell them. I cost me a fair amount of money to get set up for growing, plus legal risks of growing. I think I deserve something in return. Of course, if friends wanna trip with me I ain't gonna charge them for it.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: SalviNate]
    #14001187 - 02/21/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

nigga gotta earn a loaf :urreallydumb:


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: indica]
    #14001345 - 02/21/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The buyer doesn't have a problem paying for them, and obviously he isn't expecting a handout since you said he asked to you to sell to him. I say go for it, but don't get greedy.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: indica]
    #14001384 - 02/21/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Sell an oz for $180-220 then they can go and make $40-100 per oz win win situation.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Cakk]
    #14001432 - 02/21/11 01:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Sell an oz for $180-220 then they can go and make $40-100 per oz win win situation.



hmmm really seems a bit high there, maybe its just me.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Cakk]
    #14001445 - 02/21/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Sell an oz for $180-220 then they can go and make $40-100 per oz win win situation.



people around here would laugh their asses off if I tried to charge that much. $80-$100 is good around here.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: indica]
    #14001499 - 02/21/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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when I have sold psychedelics in the past, I always tried to sell them to only good friends and for prices that they would be able to make a profit from too.

I don't think it's wrong to sell them. I cost me a fair amount of money to get set up for growing, plus legal risks of growing. I think I deserve something in return. Of course, if friends wanna trip with me I ain't gonna charge them for it.




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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Psilocital Inebria]
    #14001525 - 02/21/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yea maybe it is it also depends if they are going to redeal it or eat it themselves.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Cakk]
    #14001712 - 02/21/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

just be careful
whenever i delt, well life got fairly crazy..
possibly be prepared for some levels of paranoia. but this can be fixed just by being smart..
and dont let anyone know you grow them....ANYONE
morally i think these things should be avalible to everyone. i mean if a person want to do it they will anyways.
your just gunna make some money. it wont pay for ur bills. it can..but thats alotta hustlin..now making it pay for itself and massive partying is very doable..
Doc_T brought up a great point though. prison...
it sucks there i guess..but since ur already taking the risk by growing..selling them down the chain like ur planing can cause some heads to turn...
you may trust him. but what kind of crazy people will he be selling to? you have to be very very carefull


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #14001759 - 02/21/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I'd never sell drugs and if I did, I'd never sell psychedelics.  People lose their shit, get arrested, and the trail leads back to you.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: joemolloy] * 1
    #14001831 - 02/21/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

one time i gave an eighth to a kid for a donation and he shorted me $10 in his donation. i made him feel really bad but still gave him the magical supplies. well he ended up calling me while he was peaking stuck in a massive suicidal thought loop and attempting to apologize for shorting me. dont guilt trip your customers or give product to people who are unfit, which its kinda hard to tell who is going to snap.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: masterharf]
    #14001955 - 02/21/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Guys, where did you first get most of the wonderful drugs you tried?

Fuckin dealers. Dont knock them. Someone's gotta do it. Physical money still has a place in out metaphysical universe. After enlightenment, we still must chop wood and carry the water. You're merely trading services and energy.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14001974 - 02/21/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You shouldnt have any moral issues with selling your mushrooms unless you aren't giving people a great deal.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: drr]
    #14002125 - 02/21/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You shouldnt have any moral issues with selling your mushrooms unless you aren't giving people a great deal.




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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: joemolloy]
    #14003595 - 02/21/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If u can think up a bullet proof plan. Go for it


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: claytonsemple]
    #14003739 - 02/21/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

FELONIES DON'T COME FREE. And neither should mushrooms. Whats not right is someone expecting a free trip. Shit I have always payed for my trips and I would have no problem paying someone 50$ for a solid trip. Taking into consideration that they risked their FREEDOM to give me the opportunity, I see it as more than fair that I get charged. Psych's shouldn't be free. Not when a prison sentence is at stake at least.

It so ridiculous when people complain about prices. Ive literally seen people wine like babies about an 11$ hit of good LSD. But they jump on the opportunity of a 10$ hit. wtf ? Shit, I would pay 100$ for a hit of good acid as long as I had a strong trip. How can people put a price on a special experience like that ? Especially when the price difference is under 20$. ughhh


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14003832 - 02/21/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If you trust him to not rat you out under any circumstances I say do it man. I see no moral conflicts, but it's ultimately up to you.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14004212 - 02/21/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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FELONIES DON'T COME FREE. And neither should mushrooms. Whats not right is someone expecting a free trip. Shit I have always payed for my trips and I would have no problem paying someone 50$ for a solid trip. Taking into consideration that they risked their FREEDOM to give me the opportunity, I see it as more than fair that I get charged. Psych's shouldn't be free. Not when a prison sentence is at stake at least.

It so ridiculous when people complain about prices. Ive literally seen people wine like babies about an 11$ hit of good LSD. But they jump on the opportunity of a 10$ hit. wtf ? Shit, I would pay 100$ for a hit of good acid as long as I had a strong trip. How can people put a price on a special experience like that ? Especially when the price difference is under 20$. ughhh



I can see where you're coming from, but on the other side, I've had literally more acid for free than I've paid for, thanks to a generous person in particular, and I've also been the one to give out free trips more often than I've sold them. I have paid for trips, and yes, I think that you can't put a price on a good trip, it could be worth hundreds, and honestly I have put that much into the preparation for a trip before, not just for the substance, but for the whole journey, and it is worth it, definitely.

How can you put a price on a great trip? Think about that. How can you decide the price of somebody else's great trip? Try to profit on that. When I am in that situation...I always feel so insignificant. There is this incredible power that I hold and I want to make a couple petty dollars in the process of simply holding open the door for somebody else. Seems pointless. If I were a career drug dealer I'm sure I would feel differently. But I just don't want to be a drug dealer at all.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: drr]
    #14004558 - 02/21/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i've read of rumors of a curse with selling shrooms specifically with psychedellics.
but in my personal experiences it just boils down to being smart and doing it more to have people experience it than to profit.
though profiting does happan...and easily....
but i also believe sometimes a person should have a free trip. ive given my friends free ones from time to time again, just because i wanted them to experience it with me.
but also think, if you hadnt bought your trips would you have even had them?... ive only ever been given acid as a freebie and only once. that was as a birthday present.
morals vary from person to person. but if no ones selling this stuff out there, then its not out there. and i feel people should be able to experience it if they want to.
theres a huge risk in doing this which is where money justifys some of it to an extent.
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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Scudreloaded]
    #14004714 - 02/21/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i've read of rumors of a curse with selling shrooms specifically with psychedellics.




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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #14005559 - 02/22/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if you think it's wrong to sell them give them to your friend and say you will take a good will offering for them. so he can give you cash or buy you supplies or groceries or whatever. then he can pass the saving onto whomever. this should help eliminate your moral dilemma and lower the prices in your area.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14005572 - 02/22/11 02:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know. I'd never sell drugs because they find out you are the source they will really nail you to the cross. Imagine getting 25 years of your life taken away, friends and family becoming dead to you and abandoning you, and getting to sexually pleasure some hardened criminal. Viking or Victim... All for a few bucks, and growing some harmless mushrooms.

With that said, you would then leave prison institutionalized, with no way to function and easily re-enter society; a drug felon has a harder time than a pedophile to find a job and get hired. Yes, you could actually rape a little kid, and get hired easier at a factory job, but you'll never get one being stuck with a drug record that isn't pot! The US drug laws are so asinine that they basically take away your life for choosing to alter your own consciousness, inquire to and acknowledge the nature and meaning of your own existence.

Therefore since they are fighting a war that is immoral, and even constitutionally illegal and the consequences of capture are worse than physical death, one may consider having a good method of suicide handy. Possibly one that take notes on the tactics of the Vietcong and jihadis.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #14005652 - 02/22/11 02:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The problem I had was whether or not I had the right to give such profound mystical experiences to people. That I should not be a catalyst in someone's own lifechanging experience, and giving and profiting of giving the means to them to do so, that they should 'find it themselves' from someone/where else and I have no right to be having such big impacts on people's lives with psychedelics, positive or not. There are other people that are 'blessed' with this task, and I am not one of them.

That was one thing that played on my mind a lot.I don't know how I'd feel if I sold psychedelics to someone and they had a trip that really fucked them up.

One time a couple of years ago some friends went on a midnight mushroom picking mission and came back with a fucking shopping bag full of shrooms, we ate some and had a mad night, and one kid that was with us took some without us knowing (we didn't give them to him) and he got intensely fucked up and has not been the same since, is now a tragic alcoholic and has been in and out of psych wards. I saw him a year ago (2 or so years after he had those shrooms) and I asked him how I was to which he replied "I'm still blowing out from those shrooms", and as much as people say there is no long lasting psychological effects, I think he is a one-off or whatever, he is genuinely insanely fucked up after that night (he flipped out really bad)

whether or not you want to say "yeah but its up to someone to make theirown lives better" I can't imagine how I'd feel if I actually did give or sell those shrooms to him

just be careful and wary, when I did used to bulk sell them, I used to stress "don't sell them to kids" etc, and tried to retain some kind of moral ground but after I while I decided it was just too hard and the consequencws would have been so great I wouldn't have been able to live with myself


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry] * 1
    #14007126 - 02/22/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have a moral proposal for you. First lets assume these variables:

1..you plan to keep producing
2..you plan to keep distributing
3..you feel people should have these experiences and want to facilitate
4..you feel uncomfortable with taking a profit

1+2 will assure that you can get in legal trouble, whether you charge money or not.
3 is your motivation.
4 is the dilemma.

Heres something you can do, if you are serious about what you pose here:

1..Make arrangements for a maximum price your friend will sell them for, to assure its reasonable.
2..Take a fair percentage of that as yours.
3..Subtract the money you need for the grow from your cut, and use it to finance your op.
4..Donate the rest to a cheritable cause.

I'm a firm believer in cheritable causes, and in fact the second line of my signature holds 2 charities I believe in. Let me tell you about them.

The first one is an African orphanage located in Moshi, Tanzania. Because of severe poverty and the horrors of AIDS, that country alone has 2.5 million children who are homeless and barely survive on the streets in a third world country. For a sustained donation of just $29 every month they can take another child off the streets, give them a roof over their head, food, clothes, medical care, primary school education and counseling. $29 a month, one child saved from the gutter. Think about it.

The other charitable cause is MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies. This organization funds and supports research into psychedelics and lobbies for the rekindling of such research. They have funded research in using Ecstasy therapy to help war veterans end the war raging on in their heads, PTSD. They have funded research into usage of psychedelics to alleviate or end the inhumane suffering of Cluster Headache patients, which is one of the worlds most painful diseases. Shrooms, LSD, they actually help many of those patients.

Think of it, these are just two examples of where the money could go to. You can pick any of a million charities, one that REALLY speaks to you.

Money isnt a bad thing in itself, its what you do with it. If you do it like this...

1..people will pay a fair price to get shrooms and have the experiences you wish them to have.
2..your best friend gets a nice cut for his efforts.
3..you give freely, but without losing money and get to continue your grow hobby usefully
4..a cheritable cause is helped with your money

Isnt this just full of win and full of good vibes for all?


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Psilocital Inebria]
    #14007295 - 02/22/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Prison.



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I would worry about the legal ramifications though.




legally, the OP is in trouble if he gets caught giving away a present for free and if he gets caught selling. whats the differance?


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: appreciating]
    #14007316 - 02/22/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The likelyhood of getting caught.

also, I just sold two ounces for a hundred bucks because I need brakes. :frown:


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    #14007338 - 02/22/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Asante]
    #14007346 - 02/22/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Man, only you can tell whether doing something is right or wrong. If it feels wrong to you, then don't do it.

I've never sold any drugs, but I've given away to friends... it's just sharing, it feels right. But it depends on the people. Not long ago, I had this kid offering me money for some Lucy he knew I had... I didn't sell it to him, but I didn't give it for free either, I just told him I didn't think it was a good idea for him to trip... he just wanted to go apeshit and trip balls. I know him, I know he's not responsible, I know he wouldn't take the time to read about it and learn and get informed, and I wasn't going to take the time to tell him and "teach" him these things, because I know he wouldn't listen and would just trip whenever he could and do some crazy stupid things.

When you deal and don't know whose hands your stuff is getting into, I think you have to have a "I don't give a fuck" attitude... after all each one of us is responsible for their own actions, but I couldn't help feeling partially responsible for someone else's stupid actions if I -somehow- have something to do with it.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Doc_T]
    #14007363 - 02/22/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

There's a fun book out there called INVISIBLE MARIJUANA about covert growing of both weed and mushrooms and the author takes great pains to make it clear that most growers that run afoul of the law end up in that situation 99.9% of the time for telling people that they grow. ANYBODY. Even if they're not actually selling!

Not to get crazy-paranoid but people (even friends) can do wacky shit when under pressure and that includes turning in their dealer/connection/stranger that they know who grows if it means getting out from under... now extend that chain to a bunch of strangers.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #14017205 - 02/23/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Nothing wrong with selling stuff. I buy methylone for $5 a hit and sell it for $15/hit. Why? Because that's what people are willing to pay. Is it fucked up? No. I give it out free all the time. In fact, after I count how much free m1 I give out, I'm only making maybe $2 profit per hit. all the money I make goes to buy more drugs that I sell and give out for free.

I feel I'm doing my part in the war on drugs by helping drugs spread far and wide. Fuck the DEA.. sell or spread them for free. Overgrow the government. It's extremely important that you focus on spreading psychedelics including weed to people who have never tried them. Charge money, give them out free, etc—whatever you need to do.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Quake3]
    #14017732 - 02/24/11 01:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Nothing wrong with selling stuff. I buy methylone for $5 a hit and sell it for $15/hit. Why? Because that's what people are willing to pay. Is it fucked up? No. I give it out free all the time. In fact, after I count how much free m1 I give out, I'm only making maybe $2 profit per hit. all the money I make goes to buy more drugs that I sell and give out for free.

I feel I'm doing my part in the war on drugs by helping drugs spread far and wide. Fuck the DEA.. sell or spread them for free. Overgrow the government. It's extremely important that you focus on spreading psychedelics including weed to people who have never tried them. Charge money, give them out free, etc—whatever you need to do.




I agree bro. I'm not really into money. Well I don't value it as much as others, I guess you could say. But the way I see it, if someone is paying you for your drugs, then you are obviously helping them out. Bottom line. Even if you completely hosed someone, which is not right. BUT bottom line, you are still helping them out. Drugs wouldn't be as  as they are if there was no money involved. Which sucks but I feel confident in making that claim.

Ive been hella hosed on before on drug prices. But regardless I was still stoked the individual could still help me out.

Oh and for the record, I have never and would never rip someone off( I don't want to sound like I'm cool with ripping people off. Not my style ! I prefer the exact opposite:thumbup:


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #14017992 - 02/24/11 02:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What is wrong? 99% of the wealth in this country goes to assholes like the people in the White House!

Do whatever you want. As long as you aren't killing people or stealing, why have any sense of supposedly morality. I mean corporations are so greedy I don't consider stealing from them bad. I don't feel 1 ounce of guilt for the $30,000+ grand I've stolen from corporations dude. Why have any guilt? I don't know about you but I give a jack shit about the laws, I go by but I know is right and wrong. If something is wrong, as in the bible or I feel guilt bout it, I ask jesus for forgiveness.

Most corporations are so greedy and infested with inefficiency, hence why they charge too much for their product. I'd like to see Microsoft run by the Asian lady that runs the mini mart down the street; not some greedy pig bent on maximizing profit. This country only cares about making money. Even though the dickheads that have all the money don't even fucking use it, what the flying fuck is the point?

Straight up. What is all this BS selling mushrooms is wrong? Who said it was wrong? Some assholes that run the DEA? Just like the assholes that run the federal reserve? Fuck the government, until they start to care about us I don't follow their rules; neither should you. The USA is going to turn into fucking China or Mexico City; fuck it already has.

Maybe you should believe in God. Straight Christians told me to my face God doesn't care about drugs and man I honestly pray daily and not only have no regrets about selling drugs (because it helps people), I'm fucking proud of it. Specifically psychedelic mushrooms have far more potential good then bad. Fuck all drugs do. Some fucking lame anti God guilt trip by the government or if you don't believe in God, it was specifically designed to fuck everyone over! Oh and it works so well!! That is why the drug problem in this country is so bad; because go read up on reverse psychology. Treat people like children, they respond.

What is your logical answer for why people smoke shitload of pot and consume shitloads of drugs in the USA and globally? They've been used for thousands of centuries. The guilt complex you have and which is perpetuated here is completely based on fear of going to prison, established by the DEA, which was established by some dickhead president, who didn't care for the people; only for himself.

Oh and much respect to some of the older members whom have posted the sad pathetic reality of what we supposedly face for mushrooms. Grow some organics. If I ever get busted my excuse is I use psychedelic fungi to talk to god, and I exercise that religious right. Straight up DEA, lick my balls. You can get a DEA license if you're as much as an asshole as I am. I'll fight those fuckheads until I get one.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: iluvfungi]
    #14018044 - 02/24/11 02:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I say if you give them a quick rundown of how to be safe, make sure they respect the shroom, and tell them what to expect, I don't see any moral dilemma in selling psilocybin. If your customers choose to not listen to your advice and have a freakout or otherwise bad experience then its their own damn fault, and it probably would have happened to them eventually anyhow.

just try and make sure the people who buy them off you are doing it for the right reasons, know what they're getting themselves into, and not thinking its just another way to get "fucked up".


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Quake3]
    #14018493 - 02/24/11 06:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I buy methylone for $5 a hit and sell it for $15/hit. Why? Because that's what people are willing to pay. Is it fucked up? No.





For fucks sake, YES thats fucked up, at least IMO.

To me, a middle man at most should double the price, as is the standard in much legal trade, so $5 --> $10


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Asante]
    #14018604 - 02/24/11 07:32 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Even double the price is a very hefty markup, thats 100%, especially when its drug related, and considering ones 'overheads' of creating or picking mushrooms is next to nothing.


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    #14018606 - 02/24/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

100% is standard retail markup. That $50 electronic gadget cost the store about $25.


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    #14018744 - 02/24/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

100% is alot in the drug world


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    #14018840 - 02/24/11 09:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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100% is alot in the drug world



it all depends on the context. I used to get ten vials of LSD for $500. I would turn around and sell them for $100 each, and my friends were fucking stoked. They made more money off each vial than I did. I just enjoyed the security of only dealing with a few people who I knew very well.


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    #14018846 - 02/24/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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100% is alot in the drug world




Not really. $200 qp becomes $25 quarter ounces. 100% markup.


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    #14018868 - 02/24/11 09:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe you could just ask your friend buy them for the price of production. You re not profiting from it but at the same time covering expenses and supplies.  :shrug:


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    #14018897 - 02/24/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

and run the risk of being busted for 0 profit?


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14019061 - 02/24/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

its a product, u paid for it. u can sell it.
i would sell them only to ppl i know, and im sure that they wouldnt do anything stupid. dont sell them to strangers like a dealer, just to friends.
it would be wrong if u sell them to kiddies and ppl who r not ready for this kind of experience, only for the profit. that would be the same like selling crack.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: ert]
    #14019230 - 02/24/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Its the same crime giving them away as it is selling them. Yes I think that you should profit from the fruits of your labor, instead of letting others sell them for you to make profit.

My biggest concern is whether or not you are gonna get rolled on. Psychedelics can be unpredictable with certain people and they may freak out and call the cops, which could start an investigation into whos the supplier. You gotta make sure that your friend isn't going to roll on you and that you're willing to make these precautions before going into this.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: kirix]
    #14021904 - 02/24/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Its the same crime giving them away as it is selling them. Yes I think that you should profit from the fruits of your labor, instead of letting others sell them for you to make profit.

My biggest concern is whether or not you are gonna get rolled on. Psychedelics can be unpredictable with certain people and they may freak out and call the cops, which could start an investigation into whos the supplier. You gotta make sure that your friend isn't going to roll on you and that you're willing to make these precautions before going into this.




I'm with this guy. I wouldn't trip on the money, I would trip on a prison sentence. Hookin people up with psych's always scares me a bit. It hard to trust people with trippy drugs. Especially mushrooms. Ive seen handfulls of people freak and cause a scene on mush. It really fucks things up.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14021916 - 02/24/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

IF someone does roll you and say an investigation goes through but they can't pin any evidence on you... if it's just his word against yours what happens ? case just dropped ? (not with a case of a death) ?


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: CounterCulturest]
    #14028821 - 02/26/11 02:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

As long as you are selling at a good price, with honest intentions (hey, let's not make shrooms a Capitalist Commodity!) and don't sell to kids or people who would freak out, then it's all bless I guess! :laugh:


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: fugazi32]
    #14028868 - 02/26/11 03:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I always sell em way cheaper than the normal price and just sell em til my own use and the cost of production is covered. So basically I just sell enough to break even and support my own habits, anything over that is given away. Its kind of like a compromise of capitalism and commune hippie living

and I always go to other friends who grow or whatever first so we support each other so that the money doesn't influence our drug plans and our drug plans don't influence our money


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14028869 - 02/26/11 03:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

oh and I should mention that any money money I make off of drugs is put back into it, whether that means a new bong, a new pressure cooker, or whatever, unless its charity of some sort

cuz I'm sure we all know those douchebags who always try to sell everything at least five bucks over the normal price, cutting shit, pinching, etc everytime-fuckin motivated by greed


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14029251 - 02/26/11 08:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I had the complete opposite, first I sold them no problem, but started questioning it later. The price was 10$ for a dry gram at first (where I'm from, that's actually reasonable), and now if I'm prompted to ask for money (whereas I usually give them away for free), I do it with 1$/g. I don't want to abuse a thing that has given me so much for material gain.

But it's an individual choice, and especially if you're hard-pressed for cash, then of course. Consider it another perk. :smile:


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Qualophile]
    #14039344 - 02/27/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i think this thread needs to be closed. way too much shifty talk going on in here.

btw it's obvious a lot of you are money grabbers


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: indica]
    #14039596 - 02/27/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i think this thread needs to be closed. way too much shifty talk going on in here.

btw it's obvious a lot of you are money grabbers




srsly. Whatever that means.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: saxx]
    #14039698 - 02/27/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this thread is full of people openly talking about how they sell drugs and make profit, and assuring each other its ok to make money from drugs

if this isn't an admission of guilt I don't know what is

sooner or later this open forum will be seen as a place to discuss making profits from drugs. this is just getting bad.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: indica]
    #14039864 - 02/27/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have to agree...probably would be best if it was taken down...


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14040088 - 02/28/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what.. didn't you make a thread teaching on how to manufacture LSD?

most of this stuff is going to happen anyways at least were not talking about slanging crack.
People need their psyches, and if some one is willing to risk jail time so be it, at least it isn't you.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: SalviNate]
    #14040181 - 02/28/11 02:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

haha fair enough, I guess I can see both points, but just...idk I guess I would say only talk about the theory of selling n shit, not any actual quantities or prices and that should be fine right :shrug:


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14041509 - 02/28/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Totally agreed, and just to clarify I enjoyed your threads. :grin:

There was this man in my city that began trying to sell psychedelics and marijuana
Legally by advertising online and around town and giving the money to the cause, and taking it from all the drug cartels.
of course he is in jail right now.

But is in court trying to repeal the law :heart: bless his soul.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: SalviNate]
    #14041601 - 02/28/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks man! version two should be done soon enough, probably going to finish it over spring break. And I'm probably just going to give the ebook out and have "donations" or just sell it hella cheap

that sux for your friend though dude, reminds me of hardison a lot, jah bless dem both


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14042254 - 02/28/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm too scared to sell psychedelics or any drug for that matter.  People freak out on psychedelics and if someone freaks out enough and gets the cops called guess who's getting fucked when they find out where those shrooms came from.

If you want to be safer about it, the product needs to be at least two degrees away from you.  You need to sell to a supplier, who provides to a dealer that you don't know at all.  Dealer gets popped, it takes more to come back to you since they'd have to go through your supplier.  Not that THAT won't happen but you can at LEAST have some time to react if the dealer at the end (who you don't even know) gets popped.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: abltsandwich]
    #14042362 - 02/28/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think it's fine if u sell it to the guy and make sure he takes full responsibility if he gets caught, cuz it would suck if he ratted u out.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: xequtor12]
    #14043764 - 02/28/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How can you make sure the guy won't freak out and flip on you?  I mean, you can't sit there and babysit them while the cops have them scared for their lives asking for info on who sold them.


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: abltsandwich]
    #14044634 - 02/28/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I highly doubt cops arrest and get search warrents based on the mumblings of some deranged fucking tripper(yes you have to be deranged to get all the way there). But if they do, put your stash at a friends house for a few days. They arent going to search all your friends.

All the same, I dont think the words of a drug addled 19 year old is enough evidence or probable cause. Otherwise you can just retort, "Well, I saw him with a stash of child porn and government CIA secrets. Are you going to search his house now that I've said it?"


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: Tulaberry]
    #14044898 - 02/28/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

meh, if you have someone approach you about it, i'd consider it. you win, your friend wins, and as long as you play it cool and know what youre doing it'll be cool. dealing isn't something to fuck around with though, know what you're getting into

you better trust your man too


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Re: Moral issues with selling Psychedelics [Re: shr]
    #14045165 - 02/28/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

michael oconnor's how to hide anything

must read for the paranoid


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