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millzy


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: s0ulfire]
#13997716 - 02/20/11 08:20 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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high doses of this stuff is fucking crazy, in a good way. i've taken 50mg at once before. more like n, n-dmt than mushrooms but no entity contact. the cev's are fucking NUTS. i need to acquire some more me thinks.
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Janamil


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: millzy]
#13997868 - 02/20/11 08:39 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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lol Ill post my thread in your thread
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
#13997925 - 02/20/11 08:46 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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I tried some 4-aco-dmt last saturday and it was pretty fun. unsure the dose i took but it seemed like a gram or so of cubes. Is this really unscheduled? can someone pm me a source?
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
#13997927 - 02/20/11 08:46 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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Janamil said: lol Ill post my thread in your thread
hehehe
Can't we just agree they're both nice?
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: millzy]
#13997969 - 02/20/11 08:52 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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You have to be extremely careful though. I took 60mg, and was enjoying myself until I had some extremely small disagreement with my brother, and then I spent the next 8 hours in the fetal position crying. I've had bad trips before, and I could always get out of them, but this stuff is different. If it goes bad, it stays bad. It took every ounce of my strength and experience to prevent myself from falling into pure terror.
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
#13998337 - 02/20/11 09:41 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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Wow... I think i've been eating cyan's on occasion when I thought I was eating P. subaeruginosa...
that explains why I was getting so fucked up on so little 
still, subaeruginosa is strong, but not as strong as cyans.
edit: and yes, OP, psilacetin is tits
Edited by indica (02/20/11 09:42 PM)
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BothHands said: You have to be extremely careful though. I took 60mg, and was enjoying myself until I had some extremely small disagreement with my brother, and then I spent the next 8 hours in the fetal position crying. I've had bad trips before, and I could always get out of them, but this stuff is different. If it goes bad, it stays bad. It took every ounce of my strength and experience to prevent myself from falling into pure terror.
looks a lot like mushrooms... 60mg is a hell of dose btw...
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
#13998543 - 02/20/11 10:18 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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Yeah, I know. I was replying to millzy who said large doses are fucking crazy in a good way. Just wanted to point out that they're crazy in a good way iff nothing goes wrong.
The closed eye visuals were unreal though.
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LuSiD9
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can it be vaped?
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: LuSiD9]
#13998617 - 02/20/11 10:31 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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Freebase could probably be vaped, but I'm sure you'd lose a good bit of potency. The salt, on the other hand, would probably completely break down before it vaporized. Salts have much higher vaporization temperatures. Just a guess though.
Edit: Here we go
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A common oral dose of 4-Acetoxy-DMT is between 10 and 25 mg. Several reports describe doses of 25-30 mg as very strong. Insuffalation appears to produce more potent effects with a more rapid onset. A smoked dose of 40 mg of fumurate was described as extremely weak, comparable to the effects of 5 mg oral.
erowid
Doesn't mention if it was salt or freebase though.
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BothHands said: Freebase could probably be vaped, but I'm sure you'd lose a good bit of potency. The salt, on the other hand, would probably completely break down before it vaporized. Salts have much higher vaporization temperatures. Just a guess though.
Edit: Here we go
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A common oral dose of 4-Acetoxy-DMT is between 10 and 25 mg. Several reports describe doses of 25-30 mg as very strong. Insuffalation appears to produce more potent effects with a more rapid onset. A smoked dose of 40 mg of fumurate was described as extremely weak, comparable to the effects of 5 mg oral.
erowid
Doesn't mention if it was salt or freebase though.
yeah, been reading up on it at bluelight, doesn't seem like it'd be worth it so far
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BothHands said: Freebase could probably be vaped, but I'm sure you'd lose a good bit of potency. The salt, on the other hand, would probably completely break down before it vaporized. Salts have much higher vaporization temperatures. Just a guess though.
Edit: Here we go
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A common oral dose of 4-Acetoxy-DMT is between 10 and 25 mg. Several reports describe doses of 25-30 mg as very strong. Insuffalation appears to produce more potent effects with a more rapid onset. A smoked dose of 40 mg of fumurate was described as extremely weak, comparable to the effects of 5 mg oral.
erowid
Doesn't mention if it was salt or freebase though.
fumarate means fumarate salt
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Hiei]
#13998857 - 02/20/11 11:21 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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i love wood lover mushrooms. Everything about them is awesome. Their smell, the way they look, how blue they go, their colours. They are just delightful, i mean they just look like a tasty treat when you walk passed them. Plus they are really potent.
But i think woodlovers are tougher to grow to be honest then cubes, especially with an indoor setup, it would require some sort of fridge or something.
Theres also not as much of a wealth of knowledge available on the topic of growing woodlovers, as opposed to growing cubes where there is thousands of pages of info and support.
W_S's tek is the goods though.
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
#13998879 - 02/20/11 11:26 PM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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d-LSD-25 said:
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Doesn't mention if it was salt or freebase though.
fumarate means fumarate salt
Haha, shit, I completely missed that.
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Thats great Wiccan Seeker, is there a link to just that so I can add it to my bookmarks? I live in Washington, so the conditions for Cyans are perfect
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
#13999056 - 02/21/11 12:20 AM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
HOW TO DO IT:
--You go to the webshops of some Shroomery Sponsors and buy a Psilocybe cyanescens spore syringe, some vermiculite and some brown rice flour. If they are out of Psilocybe cyanescens syringes you can opt for Psilocybe azurescens, Psilocybe subaeruginosa, Psilocybe bohemica, Psilocybe arcana, Psilocybe serbica or Psilocybe moravica for similar results.
--You get a bunch of 1/2 pint jars (like ~250ml veggie jars from the supermarket) and with a nail you punch a hole in the center of the lids.
--of every 4 jars, you fill 2 with vermiculite, 1 with brown rice flour and 1 with water, then mix this to a loose "dough" and you loosely fill the jars with it, leaving about an inch free at the tops of the jars. Clean the inner rims, then cover with half an inch of straight, dry vermiculite and lay on the lids, don't screw them on. Cover the lids with a layer of tin foil.
--take a cooking pot, put a dishwashing cloth in and pour in 2 inches of water, then put the jars on top of that, on the stove and cover with a lid. Bring to a boil, then boil for 1 hour. Turn off the gas and let it cool down to room temperature overnight, leaving the lid of the pot on.
--the next day, take the jars out of the cooking pot and put them on the table. Shake the spore syringe well, then de-cap it, heat the needle with a disposable lighter till it sputters and drive it though the tin foil, through the hole, through the covering layer of vermiculite in your substrate. Wait 15 seconds then inject a bit of spore solution. Pull the needle out slowly and cover the tin foil with another layer of fresh tin foil. Repeat with all the jars. A syringe is generally 10cc. You should in theory be able to do 5 x 4 jars with it, but in practice 3x4 jars is more than ample. Put the jars in a closet at room temperature. You want to avoid drafts and excessive light. Do not handle the jars at all, if you can.
--After about 3-9 weeks, the jars will be completely covered in white mycelium, which basically looks as if they are stuffed with pure white cotton. Discard all jars that show strange colors immediately, by throwing them away whole and unopened. Now a joyous time begins: You have finished Sterile Technique and won't EVER have to work that carefully again.
--go to a petstore and get hardwood woodchips used for animal bedding. Do not use the ubiquitous yellowish compressed blocks of wood fiber, these are almost invariably softwoods (like pine) which are too resinous to support growth. What you want is the big loose bags of untreated wood chips. Good kinds are beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow, aspen, poplar, elm , sweet gum and sycamore wood chips. Chips used in smoking (fish or meat) are usually perfect.
--How many jars have made it? Multiply this number by 10-20 and scoop that many jars of dry chips into a large container, and cover it with water, and leave it to soak up water for 24 hours, then let the water leach out for at least 1 hour. Lets for simplicity's sake say 1 jar made it, and that you are preparing 10 jars of wood chips (2.5 liters) for it.
--open the jar(s) with mycelium and scratch the contents out with a fork in a bowl. Use the fork to crumble the mycelial mass as finely as you can. Then, add it to the 10fold excess of leached wood chips and mix it really well. Put it into a plastic storage box to a depth of about 4-10 inches and cover it with a trashbag, which you secure in place with a few clothespins so that iot is covered but the mycelium can breathe. Keep this at room temperature for several weeks to months, until it has grown shut. If its needed, but chances are it won't, mist the mycelium occasionally with a plant mister. When the chips are colonized a joyous time begins, because at this point it becomes very hard to screw the grow up anymore!
--If you don't have a garden and don't want to guerilla farm, you can put these boxes outside in autumn when temperatures range to 50'F to a little above freezing, the fully colonized chips covered with half an inch of potting soil. At these temperatures the mushrooms will fruit directly on top of the substrate, even if you don't use the soil layer.
--Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8. The range can likely be extended also to zone 5, but the beds will need to be protected by applying a layer of fresh wood chips or a thicker layer of straw to survive the low temperatures in winter. You can check what USDA Hardiness zone you live in. If you grow in boxes and only take them outdoors during a few months of temperatures from 50'F to a little above freezing, colder zones are possible.
--If you do have a garden or want to take it to the forest, prepare wood chips by soaking and leaching as described before. Again, you use 10-20 times the volume. One jar led to 10 jars in the plastic box and thus will need 100 jars (25 liters = 6.5 gallons) of wood chips.
--In the ground, dig small tenches or holes about 4-10 inches deep. If you want to maximize your initial harvests, make trenches 4 inches deep and wide and as long as you want, side by side, spaced 4 inches apart. If you want maximum spawn per surface area, make it a few big shallow holes 10 inches deep. Use the moistest parts of your garden or forest, and especially under bushes etc where theres little wind and light. You guessed it: the very parts of your garden useless for gardening!
--break up the spawn, the fully grown woodchips from the box, as finely as possible and mix them very well with the excess of leached wood chips, then dump it into the trenches or holes. The chips level should be about even with the ground. At this point you can use your bare hands or a spade to do the mixing and handling. Alternatively you can simply cover the ground under the bushes with a 4 inch thick layer of chips and be rid of it. Its good to make several locations where you dump the spawn to always have a backup in case weed mushrooms take over a grow. This can be in the same garden, but I urge you to go evangelical and offer to mulch the gardens of tripping friends, make patches into the wild etc.
--if you did all this in spring, in late autumn you might already see your first harvest. If it does or doesnt, next season there will be a harvest. Water the patchers if really needed in summer, but dont overwater them. Shrooms are akin to the creature from the horror movie "The Thing": every single part of the organism, no matter how tiny, can be introduced to fresh wood chips and grow out to replicate the whole organism. The patch can dry out a bit, and revitalize after rain. It can take frosts of -25'C/0'F if it has to. At this point a really joyous time begins because not only will you be harvesting one of the worlds strongest mushrooms each year with minimal effort, but your grow has become virtually indestructible.
--in the years to come, after the patches showed their first or a few seasons of mushrooms, you can break up the patches and use them as spawn to make more patches. One mushroom patch can be expanded to ten mushroom patches. Ten to 100. You end up mulching gardens of nontripping family members because they see the benefits to their garden and see the mushrooms as a really cute addition to their garden in late fall. You can go to the forest with bags of spawn and mix it with decaying wood, here, there, everywhere!
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<img src=https://files.shroomery.org/files/10-45/930870215-PsCyan091110_2.jpg>
You be the judge. What I described, if taken step by step, is REALLY easy to do. It doesnt require expensive equipment or unobtainable supplies. It has a high success rate.
Wavy caps like in the picture have a potency of 12-25mg psiloc(yb)in per dried gram, making them 2-4x more potent than the common cubie thats being sold. They are easily identified and turn blue on bruising like nobodies business. The high, compared to cubies, seems to be clearer, higher energy, and more euphoric than that of cubies. If you dry them and store them in a jar in a dark closet they are still strong a year later. In the freezer, they stay potent for a decade or more.
Once the ball is rolling your growing of one of the strongest shrooms in the world becomes as sophisticated as the most basic gardening, and you in essence invest big bags of woodchips to get big bags of powerful shrooms. You will no longer be dependent on what a shady dealer might offer, but instead you have 100% organic shrooms in abundance, more than you can eat, and with your spawn you have the possibility to make your tripping friends independent too.
So you tell me, is it worth it?
epic post.... i'm sure you know that, i'm really only posting for future reference. thanks
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
#13999057 - 02/21/11 12:20 AM (13 years, 12 days ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Do you realize that 4-AcO-DMT and Psilocybin have the same active metabolite?
thats the theory atleast.
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It's in a seperate thread that W_S posted, i cant seem to find it with the search function though, im sure he will provide a link to it if he sees your questions.
he also made a really great woodlover smoothie tek, for mass colonization once people already have some fresh specimens or spores or something.
I think the basics of it was you blend up an ounce of fresh woodlovers with water, and dump it into a wheel barrow full of cleaned woodchips, and mix it all up, and it basically gives you like megga fast colonization taht you can use to create a mother patch or multiple little patches.
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millzy


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BothHands said: Yeah, I know. I was replying to millzy who said large doses are fucking crazy in a good way. Just wanted to point out that they're crazy in a good way iff nothing goes wrong.
The closed eye visuals were unreal though.
set and setting. i personally wouldn't be taking it around anyone who i could potentially have friction with. and everyone reacts differently to psychedelics anyway.
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: millzy]
#14003776 - 02/21/11 08:34 PM (13 years, 11 days ago) |
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Wiccan Seeker, will that tek work for Azurescens aswell?
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