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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #13998132 - 02/20/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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When a woman is aroused her brain's logic executing skills are compromised heavily, the amygdala, the section of the brain believed to be responsible for fear and consequence is "dulled out" by the nucleus accumbens (responsible for release of dopamine) & ventral tegmental (which actually releases dopamine) and the pituitary gland goes haywire, which releases endorphins... this whirlwind of brain activity heightens trust in the person and thoughts and fears about pregnancy don't typically occur during this state. 
The lateral orbitofrontal cortex shuts down completely in women when they achieve an orgasm, (which means they can't think logically at all during this time) and thus no fear of pregnancy is possible during orgasm.

Where the fear comes from is questionable and up for debate, but it has not been ingrained longer than religion, because the chemistry of the brain inhibits or at least obstructs that level of thinking during arousal and orgasm.


I can back up what I say with science...  so we can debate all night if you want man :wink:




This is true, but fear inhibits arousal. They are antagonistic processes, one will generally overpower the other. And I know damn well that the idea of having a kid at the stage of life I'm at is terrifying.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #13998168 - 02/20/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I'm tired of men. I don't want to turn into one of those man hating women but god dammit these assholes are making it hard not to. :crankey:


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: claraclairvoyant]
    #13998181 - 02/20/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What assholes? Me and Tchan?


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #13998202 - 02/20/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

prettymuch everyone sucks :shrug:


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #13998204 - 02/20/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No, the men I date


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: claraclairvoyant]
    #13998206 - 02/20/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, I'm tired of men. I don't want to turn into one of those man hating women but god dammit these assholes are making it hard not to. :crankey:




Yeah, and I'm not a woman-hater but this experience made me understand why some guys fantasize about rape.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #13998213 - 02/20/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You're right, fear can destroy all arousal,  but what I'm saying is that this "congenital" fear of pregnancy resulting in abstinence of sexual activity, didn't occur by natural brain function, but rather other sources.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: HuHEN]
    #13998214 - 02/20/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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prettymuch everyone sucks :shrug:




Yeah it's true, I'm not gonna try to act like my shit doesn't stink. It's not even like I hate this chick for what she did or anything, but she definitely took a shit on my face.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #13998225 - 02/20/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You're right, fear can destroy all arousal,  but what I'm saying is that this "congenital" fear of pregnancy resulting in abstinence of sexual activity, didn't occur by natural brain function, but rather other sources.




Yeah, but it's definitely cultural. Whether or not it's congenital is a question to ask of evolutionary biologists; I'm definitely not certain that it isn't.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #13998245 - 02/20/11 09:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Fantasy of rape doesn't have to come from violence, it's already a naturally occurring instinct in the male brain, it comes from the early part of brain evolution in our primitive eras as humanoids which was enacted for basic species survival, usually quelled with the newer parts of the brain like the frontal cortex.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #13998251 - 02/20/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:omg:


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sprezzatura]
    #13998263 - 02/20/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Fantasy of rape doesn't have to come from violence, it's already a naturally occurring instinct in the male brain, it comes from the early part of brain evolution in our primitive eras as humanoids which was enacted for basic species survival, usually quelled with the newer parts of the brain like the frontal cortex.




It's definitely true. I love and respect women, but the expectation imposed upon men is for them to make the first move without asking if it's okay first. If you ask a woman if she's sexually interested in you it's a turn-off; she expects you to just grab her. This is extremely frustrating for me, because I love and respect women. :thumbdown:


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #13998271 - 02/20/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I study a lot of different subjects, have been for quite some time and without researching anything, and off of the top of my head from knowledge I've already obtained, I don't think early humans had a fear of pregnancy before religion.

I could be wrong, so find something that supports your idea and i'll look for something current that can support my idea.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #13998276 - 02/20/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

becus my BF "Loves & Respects women too much" i had to make the 1st move. if i didnt we mite not be together today.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #13998280 - 02/20/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Bitches Be Bitches maan.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Mello Kitty]
    #13998299 - 02/20/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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becus my BF "Loves & Respects women too much" i had to make the 1st move. if i didnt we mite not be together today.




That's really cool. I wish more women had the sack to make the first move. It really pisses me when women assume I'm not interested, and then lose interest, because it doesn't come naturally to me to just fucking grab them out of nowhere because I think they're hot. I seriously have to convince myself to do this. The urge to not make women uncomfortable is about as strong as my urge to fuck them, and apparently this is a huge conflict of interests. And that is FUCKED-UP because I'm perfectly willing not to come in her at all and to just eat her out.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #13998300 - 02/20/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Fantasy of rape doesn't have to come from violence, it's already a naturally occurring instinct in the male brain, it comes from the early part of brain evolution in our primitive eras as humanoids which was enacted for basic species survival, usually quelled with the newer parts of the brain like the frontal cortex.




It's definitely true. I love and respect women, but the expectation imposed upon men is for them to make the first move without asking if it's okay first. If you ask a woman if she's sexually interested in you it's a turn-off; she expects you to just grab her. This is extremely frustrating for me, because I love and respect women. :thumbdown:




Exactly. And at the same time if you don't grab her at the right time/ right way, etc. it's inappropriate. It's expected for men to take the risk, but at a time when it will be well received. I guess that's the litmus test for women, evolutionarily - that they don't need to tell guys when/how to act, the "right" guys just know.

I wonder what implications this has in evolutionary theory? Would that indicate a man that can rear children better?


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #13998303 - 02/20/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Find some stuff... I think it would be interesting to explore this more... I have to go tho, my girlfriend just asked me to come hang out with her.

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Re: pissed off about women [Re: fazdazzle]
    #13998341 - 02/20/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Fantasy of rape doesn't have to come from violence, it's already a naturally occurring instinct in the male brain, it comes from the early part of brain evolution in our primitive eras as humanoids which was enacted for basic species survival, usually quelled with the newer parts of the brain like the frontal cortex.




It's definitely true. I love and respect women, but the expectation imposed upon men is for them to make the first move without asking if it's okay first. If you ask a woman if she's sexually interested in you it's a turn-off; she expects you to just grab her. This is extremely frustrating for me, because I love and respect women. :thumbdown:




Exactly. And at the same time if you don't grab her at the right time/ right way, etc. it's inappropriate. It's expected for men to take the risk, but at a time when it will be well received. I guess that's the litmus test for women, evolutionarily - that they don't need to tell guys when/how to act, the "right" guys just know.

I wonder what implications this has in evolutionary theory? Would that indicate a man that can rear children better?




I think that evolutionarily, it indicated that a man was better capable of rearing children, but that this is no longer true in modern circumstances. I'm just trying to evolve here.


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Re: pissed off about women [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #13998393 - 02/20/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Rearing children is rearing children...maybe men who do that are actually better parents?

Since your game isn't to be rearing children you're just going to have to deal with her addressing that qualification in you.


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