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4-aco-dmt :)
    #13996191 - 02/20/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Soooooo.... good buddy of mine on here hooked it up with some 4-aco-dmt yesterday. I gave myself a 20mg dose in some water and anticipated the effects. I have to say that 4aco is like 20x better than mushies in my opinion. I have enuff for like 3-4 more doses!


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: s0ulfire]
    #13996239 - 02/20/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do you realize that 4-AcO-DMT and Psilocybin have the same active metabolite?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13996307 - 02/20/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

no more troubles growing mushrooms guys, psilacetin's here! :cool:


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Hiei]
    #13996364 - 02/20/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You can only buy so much 4-AcO-DMT.
Soon you cannot buy anymore.
If stored like most store it, your 4-AcO-DMT will only last a certain time before it expires.

Then you're out of it for good.

Growing mushrooms means you once buy spores, or gather mycelium from the wild, and you will forever have enough free organic psilocybin for you and your friends.




One gram of these babies will hit you as hard as 1/8oz cubies.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13996440 - 02/20/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What? I don't understand... You can buy as much 4-AcO-DMT as you want, and you can store it for a long time if you put it in an airtight container in the freezer/fridge.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
    #13996471 - 02/20/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wait is 4-aco-dmt being scheduled?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13996476 - 02/20/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Janamil said:
Wait is 4-aco-dmt being scheduled?




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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13996535 - 02/20/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

BothHands said:
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Janamil said:
Wait is 4-aco-dmt being scheduled?






fuck. When? I still havent ordered any.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13996545 - 02/20/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:confused:

I didn't say it was, I was quoting your question because I'd also like to know.  Though my last source just closed down, so who knows.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13996599 - 02/20/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think that's what W_S meant. He probably meant that you only have so much money, so 4-AcO is a limited resource, whereas homegrown mushrooms means you will have free access to the same drug.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Caine]
    #13996716 - 02/20/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

And he was talking about the rate it breaks down. If you buy like a pound of you, you'll go through only a small portion of that before the rest of it is just no good.

Atleast I think thats what he was saying


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Azure Essence]
    #13996731 - 02/20/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

oh thank god, I thought that was confirmation. I was like "oh shit noo". Ever since I fixed myself I want to try art since I can do it correctly now and I don't want to wait the couple months to grow : /

Also about the psychoactive metabolite, yes this is true. I do not believe 4-aco-dmt is psychoactive by itself but I believe the change in trip is just the fact that it takes longer to metabolize and therefor a different overall effect.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13996776 - 02/20/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No, 4-AcO-DMT is active immediately when taken intraveneously.  This indicates that it's active even before it's metabolized into psilocin.  This causes it to be slightly different to mushrooms, particularly at the beginning.  Another thing to consider is that most mushrooms also contain baeocystin.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13996790 - 02/20/11 05:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You can only buy so much 4-AcO-DMT.
Soon you cannot buy anymore.
If stored like most store it, your 4-AcO-DMT will only last a certain time before it expires.

Then you're out of it for good.

Growing mushrooms means you once buy spores, or gather mycelium from the wild, and you will forever have enough free organic psilocybin for you and your friends.




One gram of these babies will hit you as hard as 1/8oz cubies.





but cyanescens are more difficult to grow than cubies arent they?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13996885 - 02/20/11 05:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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No, 4-AcO-DMT is active immediately when taken intraveneously.  This indicates that it's active even before it's metabolized into psilocin.  This causes it to be slightly different to mushrooms, particularly at the beginning.  Another thing to consider is that most mushrooms also contain baeocystin.




I never heard of this actually that's really interesting.

I believe Acetyltransferase is used to metabolize that, wouldnt it make sense that it would be rapidly metabolized within seconds of passing the bbb?

I actually have no idea lol


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13996918 - 02/20/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wonder if you can lemon tek it :tripping:


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Hiei]
    #13996922 - 02/20/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I wonder if you can lemon tek it :tripping:



lol yeah, using lye. Yeah mushrooms contain that, but they also contain psilocin that most likely messes with a bit of the feel.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
    #13996943 - 02/20/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You can buy as much 4-AcO-DMT as you want




Most of us aren't that rich, or they want more of it than you do.

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you can store it for a long time if you put it in an airtight container in the freezer/fridge.




Please define "a long time". If the vial is regularly opened some moisture will inevitably enter, this will over time cleave 4-AcO-DMT into acetic acid and psilocin. Psilocin is quite susceptible to oxidation. 4-AcO-DMT also is most often sold as the freebase. Freebase DMT-type tryptamines tend to go off also. So theres 2 centers of instability in the same molecule.

I wouldnt be surprised if 4-AcO-DMT would go off in a mere few years if stored like most store it. Never heard of tryptamine RC buyers complaining about their substance turning brown, or being delivered to them already discolored?

If you want your 4-AcO-DMT to last long, you have to store it in tiny glass lab vials, under an inert atmosphere (liquid anhydrous hexane may substitute) and sealed. It not just must be free of moisture, it must be free of oxygen too, and kept at a temperature of at most -20 ºC = -4 ºF

Guys, there is no word that I know of that 4-AcO-DMT is going to get scheduled any time soon.
But get real please, take it from a guy who this year celebrates the 18th anniversary of being a tripper.. Soon it will be scheduled, and you will have lost your hookup. It will be sooner than you think if you don't follow this rule:

If you get a source, once you know it is valid, you buy ALL you want and HOW MUCH you want - IMMEDIATELY.


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but cyanescens are more difficult to grow than cubies arent they?




Not really. With cyans you must do sterile cultivation once, just once, then NEVER again.

To prove it, a repost from a topic I made:





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WHAT WAS DONE:


Species: Psilocybe cyanescens (Wavy Caps)
Activity: High (dried 12-25mg/gr)
Dimensions: 3 x 2 foot, 10 inches thick (approx 150 ltr)
Substrate: Course Beech Woodchips (pet bedding)
Purpose: Outdoor Spawn Reservoir
Status: mature bed, second flush
Location: Holland, early november



THE BED



Here's the bed. It was allowed to become mossy to see whether the patch moisture level would be positively affected and whether the moss would allow the patch to not just fruit on the sides (it's an uncased beech wood chip patch, which tend to only fruit peripherally), and with this second flush, the most abundant ever seen on this patch, a month after the first, this appears to be the case.



Wavy Caps poking right through the moss





Cream of the crop, what not to like about this picture? All aspects of the habitat show beautifully





Mycelium showing, note the wavy margins





Various growth stages, overgrowth as can be seen were stingy nettles




Tight cluster near the wall at the patch's edge





Note the prominent umbo's on the caps!





Harvesting just the biggest ones of the patch yielded 80 grams fresh; ~4gr fresh on average. Note the blueing already on the stems and the spore-bearing lamellae.




Given the number of shrooms still on the patch, this one flush will definitely yield about a dried ounce if it can ripen before the frost. The first flush, in early october, yielded about 8 dried grams.

Now, a bit later, the 1 dried ounce barrier was broken.

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HOW TO DO IT:

--You go to the webshops of some Shroomery Sponsors and buy a Psilocybe cyanescens spore syringe, some vermiculite and some brown rice flour. If they are out of Psilocybe cyanescens syringes you can opt for Psilocybe azurescens, Psilocybe subaeruginosa, Psilocybe bohemica, Psilocybe arcana, Psilocybe serbica or Psilocybe moravica for similar results.

--You get a bunch of 1/2 pint jars (like ~250ml veggie jars from the supermarket) and with a nail you punch a hole in the center of the lids.

--of every 4 jars, you fill 2 with vermiculite, 1 with brown rice flour and 1 with water, then mix this to a loose "dough" and you loosely fill the jars with it, leaving about an inch free at the tops of the jars. Clean the inner rims, then cover with half an inch of straight, dry vermiculite and lay on the lids, don't screw them on. Cover the lids with a layer of tin foil.

--take a cooking pot, put a dishwashing cloth in and pour in 2 inches of water, then put the jars on top of that, on the stove and cover with a lid. Bring to a boil, then boil for 1 hour. Turn off the gas and let it cool down to room temperature overnight, leaving the lid of the pot on.

--the next day, take the jars out of the cooking pot and put them on the table. Shake the spore syringe well, then de-cap it, heat the needle with a disposable lighter till it sputters and drive it though the tin foil, through the hole, through the covering layer of vermiculite in your substrate. Wait 15 seconds then inject a bit of spore solution. Pull the needle out slowly and cover the tin foil with another layer of fresh tin foil. Repeat with all the jars. A syringe is generally 10cc. You should in theory be able to do 5 x 4 jars with it, but in practice 3x4 jars is more than ample. Put the jars in a closet at room temperature. You want to avoid drafts and excessive light. Do not handle the jars at all, if you can.

--After about 3-9 weeks, the jars will be completely covered in white mycelium, which basically looks as if they are stuffed with pure white cotton. Discard all jars that show strange colors immediately, by throwing them away whole and unopened. Now a joyous time begins: You have finished Sterile Technique and won't EVER have to work that carefully again.

--go to a petstore and get hardwood woodchips used for animal bedding. Do not use the ubiquitous yellowish compressed blocks of wood fiber, these are almost invariably softwoods (like pine) which are too resinous to support growth. What you want is the big loose bags of untreated wood chips. Good kinds are beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow, aspen, poplar, elm , sweet gum and sycamore wood chips. Chips used in smoking (fish or meat) are usually perfect.

--How many jars have made it?  Multiply this number by 10-20 and scoop that many jars of dry chips into a large container, and cover it with water, and leave it to soak up water for 24 hours, then let the water leach out for at least 1 hour.
Lets for simplicity's sake say 1 jar made it, and that you are preparing 10 jars of wood chips (2.5 liters) for it.

--open the jar(s) with mycelium and scratch the contents out with a fork in a bowl. Use the fork to crumble the mycelial mass as finely as you can. Then, add it to the 10fold excess of leached wood chips and mix it really well. Put it into a plastic storage box to a depth of about 4-10 inches and cover it with a trashbag, which you secure in place with a few clothespins so that iot is covered but the mycelium can breathe. Keep this at room temperature for several weeks to months, until it has grown shut. If its needed, but chances are it won't, mist the mycelium occasionally with a plant mister. When the chips are colonized a joyous time begins, because at this point it becomes very hard to screw the grow up anymore!

--If you don't have a garden and don't want to guerilla farm, you can put these boxes outside in autumn when temperatures range to 50'F to a little above freezing, the fully colonized chips covered with half an inch of potting soil. At these temperatures the mushrooms will fruit directly on top of the substrate, even if you don't use the soil layer.

--Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8.
The range can likely be extended also to zone 5, but the beds will need to be protected by applying a layer of fresh wood chips or a thicker layer of straw to survive the low temperatures in winter. You can check what USDA Hardiness zone you live in. If you grow in boxes and only take them outdoors during a few months of temperatures from 50'F to a little above freezing, colder zones are possible.

--If you do have a garden or want to take it to the forest, prepare wood chips by soaking and leaching as described before. Again, you use 10-20 times the volume. One jar led to 10 jars in the plastic box and thus will need 100 jars (25 liters = 6.5 gallons) of wood chips.

--In the ground, dig small tenches or holes about 4-10 inches deep. If you want to maximize your initial harvests, make trenches 4 inches deep and wide and as long as you want, side by side, spaced 4 inches apart. If you want maximum spawn per surface area, make it a few big shallow holes 10 inches deep. Use the moistest parts of your garden or forest, and especially under bushes etc where theres little wind and light. You guessed it: the very parts of your garden useless for gardening!

--break up the spawn, the fully grown woodchips from the box, as finely as possible and mix them very well with the excess of leached wood chips, then dump it into the trenches or holes. The chips level should be about even with the ground. At this point you can use your bare hands or a spade to do the mixing and handling. Alternatively you can simply cover the ground under the bushes with a 4 inch thick layer of chips and be rid of it. Its good to make several locations where you dump the spawn to always have a backup in case weed mushrooms take over a grow. This can be in the same garden, but I urge you to go evangelical and offer to mulch the gardens of tripping friends, make patches into the wild etc.

--if you did all this in spring, in late autumn you might already see your first harvest. If it does or doesnt, next season there will be a harvest. Water the patchers if really needed in summer, but dont overwater them. Shrooms are akin to the creature from the horror movie "The Thing": every single part of the organism, no matter how tiny, can be introduced to fresh wood chips and grow out to replicate the whole organism. The patch can dry out a bit, and revitalize after rain. It can take frosts of -25'C/0'F if it has to. At this point a really joyous time begins because not only will you be harvesting one of the worlds strongest mushrooms each year with minimal effort, but your grow has become virtually indestructible.

--in the years to come, after the patches showed their first or a few seasons of mushrooms, you can break up the patches and use them as spawn to make more patches. One mushroom patch can be expanded to ten mushroom patches. Ten to 100. You end up mulching gardens of nontripping family members because they see the benefits to their garden and see the mushrooms as a really cute addition to their garden in late fall. You can go to the forest with bags of spawn and mix it with decaying wood, here, there, everywhere!


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IS IT WORTH IT?



You be the judge. What I described, if taken step by step, is REALLY easy to do. It doesnt require expensive equipment or unobtainable supplies. It has a high success rate.

Wavy caps like in the picture have a potency of 12-25mg psiloc(yb)in per dried gram, making them 2-4x more potent than the common cubie thats being sold. They are easily identified and turn blue on bruising like nobodies business. The high, compared to cubies, seems to be clearer, higher energy, and more euphoric than that of cubies. If you dry them and store them in a jar in a dark closet they are still strong a year later. In the freezer, they stay potent for a decade or more.

Once the ball is rolling your growing of one of the strongest shrooms in the world becomes as sophisticated as the most basic gardening, and you in essence invest big bags of woodchips to get big bags of powerful shrooms. You will no longer be dependent on what a shady dealer might offer, but instead you have 100% organic shrooms in abundance, more than you can eat, and with your spawn you have the possibility to make your tripping friends independent too.

So you tell me, is it worth it?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13997467 - 02/20/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wow nice post Wiccan_Seeker, I have to admit, growing shrooms is a lot better and cheaper and even more natural way to trip, but some people prefer to spend some money and get it delivered to their doorstep. I can't really grow shrooms right now because of my roommates, but when I live alone or with other people I certainly will, until this my only possibility is to pick shrooms or 4-aco-dmt, which is easier and worth the money IMO.

But that guide is just awesome and easy... I wonder if this works where I live, temperature ranging from 50F to 90F, do you know if cyanescens will grow here?

Thanks and nice post although I still disagree that 4-aco-dmt decomposition is really that much of a problem.
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
    #13997601 - 02/20/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

wow... total thread hijack. nazis..


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: s0ulfire]
    #13997716 - 02/20/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

high doses of this stuff is fucking crazy, in a good way. i've taken 50mg at once before. more like n, n-dmt than mushrooms but no entity contact. the cev's are fucking NUTS. i need to acquire some more me thinks.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: millzy]
    #13997868 - 02/20/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lol Ill post my thread in your thread


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13997925 - 02/20/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I tried some 4-aco-dmt last saturday and it was pretty fun. unsure the dose i took but it seemed like a gram or so of cubes. Is this really unscheduled? can someone pm me a source?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13997927 - 02/20/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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lol Ill post my thread in your thread



hehehe

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: millzy]
    #13997969 - 02/20/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You have to be extremely careful though.  I took 60mg, and was enjoying myself until I had some extremely small disagreement with my brother, and then I spent the next 8 hours in the fetal position crying.  I've had bad trips before, and I could always get out of them, but this stuff is different.  If it goes bad, it stays bad.  It took every ounce of my strength and experience to prevent myself from falling into pure terror.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13998337 - 02/20/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wow... I think i've been eating cyan's on occasion when I thought I was eating P. subaeruginosa...

that explains why I was getting so fucked up on so little :facepalm:

still, subaeruginosa is strong, but not as strong as cyans.

edit: and yes, OP, psilacetin is tits :thumbup:


Edited by indica (02/20/11 09:42 PM)


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13998522 - 02/20/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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You have to be extremely careful though.  I took 60mg, and was enjoying myself until I had some extremely small disagreement with my brother, and then I spent the next 8 hours in the fetal position crying.  I've had bad trips before, and I could always get out of them, but this stuff is different.  If it goes bad, it stays bad.  It took every ounce of my strength and experience to prevent myself from falling into pure terror.



looks a lot like mushrooms... 60mg is a hell of  dose btw...


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
    #13998543 - 02/20/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I know.  I was replying to millzy who said large doses are fucking crazy in a good way.  Just wanted to point out that they're crazy in a good way iff nothing goes wrong.

The closed eye visuals were unreal though.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13998603 - 02/20/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

can it be vaped?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: LuSiD9]
    #13998617 - 02/20/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Freebase could probably be vaped, but I'm sure you'd lose a good bit of potency.  The salt, on the other hand, would probably completely break down before it vaporized.  Salts have much higher vaporization temperatures.  Just a guess though.

Edit:  Here we go

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A common oral dose of 4-Acetoxy-DMT is between 10 and 25 mg. Several reports describe doses of 25-30 mg as very strong. Insuffalation appears to produce more potent effects with a more rapid onset. A smoked dose of 40 mg of fumurate was described as extremely weak, comparable to the effects of 5 mg oral.




erowid

Doesn't mention if it was salt or freebase though.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13998676 - 02/20/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Freebase could probably be vaped, but I'm sure you'd lose a good bit of potency.  The salt, on the other hand, would probably completely break down before it vaporized.  Salts have much higher vaporization temperatures.  Just a guess though.

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A common oral dose of 4-Acetoxy-DMT is between 10 and 25 mg. Several reports describe doses of 25-30 mg as very strong. Insuffalation appears to produce more potent effects with a more rapid onset. A smoked dose of 40 mg of fumurate was described as extremely weak, comparable to the effects of 5 mg oral.




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Doesn't mention if it was salt or freebase though.




yeah, been reading up on it at bluelight, doesn't seem like it'd be worth it so far


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13998803 - 02/20/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Freebase could probably be vaped, but I'm sure you'd lose a good bit of potency.  The salt, on the other hand, would probably completely break down before it vaporized.  Salts have much higher vaporization temperatures.  Just a guess though.

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A common oral dose of 4-Acetoxy-DMT is between 10 and 25 mg. Several reports describe doses of 25-30 mg as very strong. Insuffalation appears to produce more potent effects with a more rapid onset. A smoked dose of 40 mg of fumurate was described as extremely weak, comparable to the effects of 5 mg oral.




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Doesn't mention if it was salt or freebase though.



fumarate means fumarate salt


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Hiei]
    #13998857 - 02/20/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i love wood lover mushrooms. Everything about them is awesome. Their smell, the way they look, how blue they go, their colours. They are just delightful, i mean they just look like a tasty treat when you walk passed them. Plus they are really potent.

But i think woodlovers are tougher to grow to be honest then cubes, especially with an indoor setup, it would require some sort of fridge or something.

Theres also not as much of a wealth of knowledge available on the topic of growing woodlovers, as opposed to growing cubes where there is thousands of pages of info and support.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
    #13998879 - 02/20/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Doesn't mention if it was salt or freebase though.



fumarate means fumarate salt




Haha, shit, I completely missed that.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13999006 - 02/21/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thats great Wiccan Seeker, is there a link to just that so I can add it to my bookmarks? I live in Washington, so the conditions for Cyans are perfect


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13999056 - 02/21/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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HOW TO DO IT:

--You go to the webshops of some Shroomery Sponsors and buy a Psilocybe cyanescens spore syringe, some vermiculite and some brown rice flour. If they are out of Psilocybe cyanescens syringes you can opt for Psilocybe azurescens, Psilocybe subaeruginosa, Psilocybe bohemica, Psilocybe arcana, Psilocybe serbica or Psilocybe moravica for similar results.

--You get a bunch of 1/2 pint jars (like ~250ml veggie jars from the supermarket) and with a nail you punch a hole in the center of the lids.

--of every 4 jars, you fill 2 with vermiculite, 1 with brown rice flour and 1 with water, then mix this to a loose "dough" and you loosely fill the jars with it, leaving about an inch free at the tops of the jars. Clean the inner rims, then cover with half an inch of straight, dry vermiculite and lay on the lids, don't screw them on. Cover the lids with a layer of tin foil.

--take a cooking pot, put a dishwashing cloth in and pour in 2 inches of water, then put the jars on top of that, on the stove and cover with a lid. Bring to a boil, then boil for 1 hour. Turn off the gas and let it cool down to room temperature overnight, leaving the lid of the pot on.

--the next day, take the jars out of the cooking pot and put them on the table. Shake the spore syringe well, then de-cap it, heat the needle with a disposable lighter till it sputters and drive it though the tin foil, through the hole, through the covering layer of vermiculite in your substrate. Wait 15 seconds then inject a bit of spore solution. Pull the needle out slowly and cover the tin foil with another layer of fresh tin foil. Repeat with all the jars. A syringe is generally 10cc. You should in theory be able to do 5 x 4 jars with it, but in practice 3x4 jars is more than ample. Put the jars in a closet at room temperature. You want to avoid drafts and excessive light. Do not handle the jars at all, if you can.

--After about 3-9 weeks, the jars will be completely covered in white mycelium, which basically looks as if they are stuffed with pure white cotton. Discard all jars that show strange colors immediately, by throwing them away whole and unopened. Now a joyous time begins: You have finished Sterile Technique and won't EVER have to work that carefully again.

--go to a petstore and get hardwood woodchips used for animal bedding. Do not use the ubiquitous yellowish compressed blocks of wood fiber, these are almost invariably softwoods (like pine) which are too resinous to support growth. What you want is the big loose bags of untreated wood chips. Good kinds are beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow, aspen, poplar, elm , sweet gum and sycamore wood chips. Chips used in smoking (fish or meat) are usually perfect.

--How many jars have made it?  Multiply this number by 10-20 and scoop that many jars of dry chips into a large container, and cover it with water, and leave it to soak up water for 24 hours, then let the water leach out for at least 1 hour.
Lets for simplicity's sake say 1 jar made it, and that you are preparing 10 jars of wood chips (2.5 liters) for it.

--open the jar(s) with mycelium and scratch the contents out with a fork in a bowl. Use the fork to crumble the mycelial mass as finely as you can. Then, add it to the 10fold excess of leached wood chips and mix it really well. Put it into a plastic storage box to a depth of about 4-10 inches and cover it with a trashbag, which you secure in place with a few clothespins so that iot is covered but the mycelium can breathe. Keep this at room temperature for several weeks to months, until it has grown shut. If its needed, but chances are it won't, mist the mycelium occasionally with a plant mister. When the chips are colonized a joyous time begins, because at this point it becomes very hard to screw the grow up anymore!

--If you don't have a garden and don't want to guerilla farm, you can put these boxes outside in autumn when temperatures range to 50'F to a little above freezing, the fully colonized chips covered with half an inch of potting soil. At these temperatures the mushrooms will fruit directly on top of the substrate, even if you don't use the soil layer.

--Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8.
The range can likely be extended also to zone 5, but the beds will need to be protected by applying a layer of fresh wood chips or a thicker layer of straw to survive the low temperatures in winter. You can check what USDA Hardiness zone you live in. If you grow in boxes and only take them outdoors during a few months of temperatures from 50'F to a little above freezing, colder zones are possible.

--If you do have a garden or want to take it to the forest, prepare wood chips by soaking and leaching as described before. Again, you use 10-20 times the volume. One jar led to 10 jars in the plastic box and thus will need 100 jars (25 liters = 6.5 gallons) of wood chips.

--In the ground, dig small tenches or holes about 4-10 inches deep. If you want to maximize your initial harvests, make trenches 4 inches deep and wide and as long as you want, side by side, spaced 4 inches apart. If you want maximum spawn per surface area, make it a few big shallow holes 10 inches deep. Use the moistest parts of your garden or forest, and especially under bushes etc where theres little wind and light. You guessed it: the very parts of your garden useless for gardening!

--break up the spawn, the fully grown woodchips from the box, as finely as possible and mix them very well with the excess of leached wood chips, then dump it into the trenches or holes. The chips level should be about even with the ground. At this point you can use your bare hands or a spade to do the mixing and handling. Alternatively you can simply cover the ground under the bushes with a 4 inch thick layer of chips and be rid of it. Its good to make several locations where you dump the spawn to always have a backup in case weed mushrooms take over a grow. This can be in the same garden, but I urge you to go evangelical and offer to mulch the gardens of tripping friends, make patches into the wild etc.

--if you did all this in spring, in late autumn you might already see your first harvest. If it does or doesnt, next season there will be a harvest. Water the patchers if really needed in summer, but dont overwater them. Shrooms are akin to the creature from the horror movie "The Thing": every single part of the organism, no matter how tiny, can be introduced to fresh wood chips and grow out to replicate the whole organism. The patch can dry out a bit, and revitalize after rain. It can take frosts of -25'C/0'F if it has to. At this point a really joyous time begins because not only will you be harvesting one of the worlds strongest mushrooms each year with minimal effort, but your grow has become virtually indestructible.

--in the years to come, after the patches showed their first or a few seasons of mushrooms, you can break up the patches and use them as spawn to make more patches. One mushroom patch can be expanded to ten mushroom patches. Ten to 100. You end up mulching gardens of nontripping family members because they see the benefits to their garden and see the mushrooms as a really cute addition to their garden in late fall. You can go to the forest with bags of spawn and mix it with decaying wood, here, there, everywhere!


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IS IT WORTH IT?

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You be the judge. What I described, if taken step by step, is REALLY easy to do. It doesnt require expensive equipment or unobtainable supplies. It has a high success rate.

Wavy caps like in the picture have a potency of 12-25mg psiloc(yb)in per dried gram, making them 2-4x more potent than the common cubie thats being sold. They are easily identified and turn blue on bruising like nobodies business. The high, compared to cubies, seems to be clearer, higher energy, and more euphoric than that of cubies. If you dry them and store them in a jar in a dark closet they are still strong a year later. In the freezer, they stay potent for a decade or more.

Once the ball is rolling your growing of one of the strongest shrooms in the world becomes as sophisticated as the most basic gardening, and you in essence invest big bags of woodchips to get big bags of powerful shrooms. You will no longer be dependent on what a shady dealer might offer, but instead you have 100% organic shrooms in abundance, more than you can eat, and with your spawn you have the possibility to make your tripping friends independent too.

So you tell me, is it worth it?




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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13999057 - 02/21/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Do you realize that 4-AcO-DMT and Psilocybin have the same active metabolite?




thats the theory atleast.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Azure Essence]
    #13999078 - 02/21/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It's in a seperate thread that W_S posted, i cant seem to find it with the search function though, im sure he will provide a link to it if he sees your questions.


he also made a really great woodlover smoothie tek, for mass colonization once people already have some fresh specimens or spores or something.


I think the basics of it was you blend up an ounce of fresh woodlovers with water, and dump it into a wheel barrow full of cleaned woodchips, and mix it all up, and it basically gives you like megga fast colonization taht you can use to create a mother patch or multiple little patches.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13999660 - 02/21/11 05:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, I know.  I was replying to millzy who said large doses are fucking crazy in a good way.  Just wanted to point out that they're crazy in a good way iff nothing goes wrong.

The closed eye visuals were unreal though.




set and setting. i personally wouldn't be taking it around anyone who i could potentially have friction with. and everyone reacts differently to psychedelics anyway.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: millzy]
    #14003776 - 02/21/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wiccan Seeker, will that tek work for Azurescens aswell?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14004513 - 02/21/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

works for any woodlovers


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #14004767 - 02/21/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thats fantastic. I have yet to try Cyans(that I know of, I'm unsure of the mushrooms from my first trip), but I definitely loved the Azure's when I tried them.


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    #14004896 - 02/21/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i love wood lover mushrooms. Everything about them is awesome.




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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: indica]
    #15129121 - 09/24/11 07:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Bump to show mods that even admins post in topics concerning RC's in PE, and to clutter ODD with


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    #15129137 - 09/24/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

what is your point?


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    #15129149 - 09/24/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

All the 2c threads that have been moved to ODD


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: s0ulfire]
    #15129151 - 09/24/11 07:47 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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Locking to show the membership that a new sheriff is in town to clean up the crap in here. What has happened in the past makes no difference. A line has been drawn and it's now time to act.

I will be abiding by the rules, moving and locking threads where appropriate.

Research Chemicals do not belong here. Until there's a change at administration level it will remain that way.


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