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4-aco-dmt :)
    #13996191 - 02/20/11 03:28 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Soooooo.... good buddy of mine on here hooked it up with some 4-aco-dmt yesterday. I gave myself a 20mg dose in some water and anticipated the effects. I have to say that 4aco is like 20x better than mushies in my opinion. I have enuff for like 3-4 more doses!


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: s0ulfire]
    #13996239 - 02/20/11 03:37 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Do you realize that 4-AcO-DMT and Psilocybin have the same active metabolite?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13996307 - 02/20/11 03:47 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

no more troubles growing mushrooms guys, psilacetin's here! :cool:


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Hiei]
    #13996364 - 02/20/11 04:00 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

You can only buy so much 4-AcO-DMT.
Soon you cannot buy anymore.
If stored like most store it, your 4-AcO-DMT will only last a certain time before it expires.

Then you're out of it for good.

Growing mushrooms means you once buy spores, or gather mycelium from the wild, and you will forever have enough free organic psilocybin for you and your friends.




One gram of these babies will hit you as hard as 1/8oz cubies.


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13996440 - 02/20/11 04:15 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

What? I don't understand... You can buy as much 4-AcO-DMT as you want, and you can store it for a long time if you put it in an airtight container in the freezer/fridge.

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
    #13996471 - 02/20/11 04:19 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Wait is 4-aco-dmt being scheduled?

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13996476 - 02/20/11 04:21 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

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Janamil said:
Wait is 4-aco-dmt being scheduled?



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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13996535 - 02/20/11 04:31 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

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Janamil said:
Wait is 4-aco-dmt being scheduled?






fuck. When? I still havent ordered any.

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13996545 - 02/20/11 04:33 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

:confused:

I didn't say it was, I was quoting your question because I'd also like to know.  Though my last source just closed down, so who knows.

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13996599 - 02/20/11 04:44 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I don't think that's what W_S meant. He probably meant that you only have so much money, so 4-AcO is a limited resource, whereas homegrown mushrooms means you will have free access to the same drug.

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Caine]
    #13996716 - 02/20/11 05:11 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

And he was talking about the rate it breaks down. If you buy like a pound of you, you'll go through only a small portion of that before the rest of it is just no good.

Atleast I think thats what he was saying

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Azure Essence]
    #13996731 - 02/20/11 05:14 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

oh thank god, I thought that was confirmation. I was like "oh shit noo". Ever since I fixed myself I want to try art since I can do it correctly now and I don't want to wait the couple months to grow : /

Also about the psychoactive metabolite, yes this is true. I do not believe 4-aco-dmt is psychoactive by itself but I believe the change in trip is just the fact that it takes longer to metabolize and therefor a different overall effect.

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13996776 - 02/20/11 05:23 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

No, 4-AcO-DMT is active immediately when taken intraveneously.  This indicates that it's active even before it's metabolized into psilocin.  This causes it to be slightly different to mushrooms, particularly at the beginning.  Another thing to consider is that most mushrooms also contain baeocystin.

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13996790 - 02/20/11 05:26 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
You can only buy so much 4-AcO-DMT.
Soon you cannot buy anymore.
If stored like most store it, your 4-AcO-DMT will only last a certain time before it expires.

Then you're out of it for good.

Growing mushrooms means you once buy spores, or gather mycelium from the wild, and you will forever have enough free organic psilocybin for you and your friends.




One gram of these babies will hit you as hard as 1/8oz cubies.





but cyanescens are more difficult to grow than cubies arent they?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: BothHands]
    #13996885 - 02/20/11 05:45 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

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No, 4-AcO-DMT is active immediately when taken intraveneously.  This indicates that it's active even before it's metabolized into psilocin.  This causes it to be slightly different to mushrooms, particularly at the beginning.  Another thing to consider is that most mushrooms also contain baeocystin.




I never heard of this actually that's really interesting.

I believe Acetyltransferase is used to metabolize that, wouldnt it make sense that it would be rapidly metabolized within seconds of passing the bbb?

I actually have no idea lol

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Janamil]
    #13996918 - 02/20/11 05:51 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

I wonder if you can lemon tek it :tripping:


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Hiei]
    #13996922 - 02/20/11 05:52 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

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I wonder if you can lemon tek it :tripping:



lol yeah, using lye. Yeah mushrooms contain that, but they also contain psilocin that most likely messes with a bit of the feel.

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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
    #13996943 - 02/20/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

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You can buy as much 4-AcO-DMT as you want




Most of us aren't that rich, or they want more of it than you do.

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you can store it for a long time if you put it in an airtight container in the freezer/fridge.




Please define "a long time". If the vial is regularly opened some moisture will inevitably enter, this will over time cleave 4-AcO-DMT into acetic acid and psilocin. Psilocin is quite susceptible to oxidation. 4-AcO-DMT also is most often sold as the freebase. Freebase DMT-type tryptamines tend to go off also. So theres 2 centers of instability in the same molecule.

I wouldnt be surprised if 4-AcO-DMT would go off in a mere few years if stored like most store it. Never heard of tryptamine RC buyers complaining about their substance turning brown, or being delivered to them already discolored?

If you want your 4-AcO-DMT to last long, you have to store it in tiny glass lab vials, under an inert atmosphere (liquid anhydrous hexane may substitute) and sealed. It not just must be free of moisture, it must be free of oxygen too, and kept at a temperature of at most -20 ºC = -4 ºF

Guys, there is no word that I know of that 4-AcO-DMT is going to get scheduled any time soon.
But get real please, take it from a guy who this year celebrates the 18th anniversary of being a tripper.. Soon it will be scheduled, and you will have lost your hookup. It will be sooner than you think if you don't follow this rule:

If you get a source, once you know it is valid, you buy ALL you want and HOW MUCH you want - IMMEDIATELY.


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but cyanescens are more difficult to grow than cubies arent they?




Not really. With cyans you must do sterile cultivation once, just once, then NEVER again.

To prove it, a repost from a topic I made:





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WHAT WAS DONE:


Species: Psilocybe cyanescens (Wavy Caps)
Activity: High (dried 12-25mg/gr)
Dimensions: 3 x 2 foot, 10 inches thick (approx 150 ltr)
Substrate: Course Beech Woodchips (pet bedding)
Purpose: Outdoor Spawn Reservoir
Status: mature bed, second flush
Location: Holland, early november



THE BED



Here's the bed. It was allowed to become mossy to see whether the patch moisture level would be positively affected and whether the moss would allow the patch to not just fruit on the sides (it's an uncased beech wood chip patch, which tend to only fruit peripherally), and with this second flush, the most abundant ever seen on this patch, a month after the first, this appears to be the case.



Wavy Caps poking right through the moss





Cream of the crop, what not to like about this picture? All aspects of the habitat show beautifully





Mycelium showing, note the wavy margins





Various growth stages, overgrowth as can be seen were stingy nettles




Tight cluster near the wall at the patch's edge





Note the prominent umbo's on the caps!





Harvesting just the biggest ones of the patch yielded 80 grams fresh; ~4gr fresh on average. Note the blueing already on the stems and the spore-bearing lamellae.




Given the number of shrooms still on the patch, this one flush will definitely yield about a dried ounce if it can ripen before the frost. The first flush, in early october, yielded about 8 dried grams.

Now, a bit later, the 1 dried ounce barrier was broken.

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HOW TO DO IT:

--You go to the webshops of some Shroomery Sponsors and buy a Psilocybe cyanescens spore syringe, some vermiculite and some brown rice flour. If they are out of Psilocybe cyanescens syringes you can opt for Psilocybe azurescens, Psilocybe subaeruginosa, Psilocybe bohemica, Psilocybe arcana, Psilocybe serbica or Psilocybe moravica for similar results.

--You get a bunch of 1/2 pint jars (like ~250ml veggie jars from the supermarket) and with a nail you punch a hole in the center of the lids.

--of every 4 jars, you fill 2 with vermiculite, 1 with brown rice flour and 1 with water, then mix this to a loose "dough" and you loosely fill the jars with it, leaving about an inch free at the tops of the jars. Clean the inner rims, then cover with half an inch of straight, dry vermiculite and lay on the lids, don't screw them on. Cover the lids with a layer of tin foil.

--take a cooking pot, put a dishwashing cloth in and pour in 2 inches of water, then put the jars on top of that, on the stove and cover with a lid. Bring to a boil, then boil for 1 hour. Turn off the gas and let it cool down to room temperature overnight, leaving the lid of the pot on.

--the next day, take the jars out of the cooking pot and put them on the table. Shake the spore syringe well, then de-cap it, heat the needle with a disposable lighter till it sputters and drive it though the tin foil, through the hole, through the covering layer of vermiculite in your substrate. Wait 15 seconds then inject a bit of spore solution. Pull the needle out slowly and cover the tin foil with another layer of fresh tin foil. Repeat with all the jars. A syringe is generally 10cc. You should in theory be able to do 5 x 4 jars with it, but in practice 3x4 jars is more than ample. Put the jars in a closet at room temperature. You want to avoid drafts and excessive light. Do not handle the jars at all, if you can.

--After about 3-9 weeks, the jars will be completely covered in white mycelium, which basically looks as if they are stuffed with pure white cotton. Discard all jars that show strange colors immediately, by throwing them away whole and unopened. Now a joyous time begins: You have finished Sterile Technique and won't EVER have to work that carefully again.

--go to a petstore and get hardwood woodchips used for animal bedding. Do not use the ubiquitous yellowish compressed blocks of wood fiber, these are almost invariably softwoods (like pine) which are too resinous to support growth. What you want is the big loose bags of untreated wood chips. Good kinds are beech, oak, birch, chestnut, alder, maple, cottonwood, willow, aspen, poplar, elm , sweet gum and sycamore wood chips. Chips used in smoking (fish or meat) are usually perfect.

--How many jars have made it?  Multiply this number by 10-20 and scoop that many jars of dry chips into a large container, and cover it with water, and leave it to soak up water for 24 hours, then let the water leach out for at least 1 hour.
Lets for simplicity's sake say 1 jar made it, and that you are preparing 10 jars of wood chips (2.5 liters) for it.

--open the jar(s) with mycelium and scratch the contents out with a fork in a bowl. Use the fork to crumble the mycelial mass as finely as you can. Then, add it to the 10fold excess of leached wood chips and mix it really well. Put it into a plastic storage box to a depth of about 4-10 inches and cover it with a trashbag, which you secure in place with a few clothespins so that iot is covered but the mycelium can breathe. Keep this at room temperature for several weeks to months, until it has grown shut. If its needed, but chances are it won't, mist the mycelium occasionally with a plant mister. When the chips are colonized a joyous time begins, because at this point it becomes very hard to screw the grow up anymore!

--If you don't have a garden and don't want to guerilla farm, you can put these boxes outside in autumn when temperatures range to 50'F to a little above freezing, the fully colonized chips covered with half an inch of potting soil. At these temperatures the mushrooms will fruit directly on top of the substrate, even if you don't use the soil layer.

--Outdoor cultivation of the wood lovers is possible in the plant hardiness zones 6, 7 and 8.
The range can likely be extended also to zone 5, but the beds will need to be protected by applying a layer of fresh wood chips or a thicker layer of straw to survive the low temperatures in winter. You can check what USDA Hardiness zone you live in. If you grow in boxes and only take them outdoors during a few months of temperatures from 50'F to a little above freezing, colder zones are possible.

--If you do have a garden or want to take it to the forest, prepare wood chips by soaking and leaching as described before. Again, you use 10-20 times the volume. One jar led to 10 jars in the plastic box and thus will need 100 jars (25 liters = 6.5 gallons) of wood chips.

--In the ground, dig small tenches or holes about 4-10 inches deep. If you want to maximize your initial harvests, make trenches 4 inches deep and wide and as long as you want, side by side, spaced 4 inches apart. If you want maximum spawn per surface area, make it a few big shallow holes 10 inches deep. Use the moistest parts of your garden or forest, and especially under bushes etc where theres little wind and light. You guessed it: the very parts of your garden useless for gardening!

--break up the spawn, the fully grown woodchips from the box, as finely as possible and mix them very well with the excess of leached wood chips, then dump it into the trenches or holes. The chips level should be about even with the ground. At this point you can use your bare hands or a spade to do the mixing and handling. Alternatively you can simply cover the ground under the bushes with a 4 inch thick layer of chips and be rid of it. Its good to make several locations where you dump the spawn to always have a backup in case weed mushrooms take over a grow. This can be in the same garden, but I urge you to go evangelical and offer to mulch the gardens of tripping friends, make patches into the wild etc.

--if you did all this in spring, in late autumn you might already see your first harvest. If it does or doesnt, next season there will be a harvest. Water the patchers if really needed in summer, but dont overwater them. Shrooms are akin to the creature from the horror movie "The Thing": every single part of the organism, no matter how tiny, can be introduced to fresh wood chips and grow out to replicate the whole organism. The patch can dry out a bit, and revitalize after rain. It can take frosts of -25'C/0'F if it has to. At this point a really joyous time begins because not only will you be harvesting one of the worlds strongest mushrooms each year with minimal effort, but your grow has become virtually indestructible.

--in the years to come, after the patches showed their first or a few seasons of mushrooms, you can break up the patches and use them as spawn to make more patches. One mushroom patch can be expanded to ten mushroom patches. Ten to 100. You end up mulching gardens of nontripping family members because they see the benefits to their garden and see the mushrooms as a really cute addition to their garden in late fall. You can go to the forest with bags of spawn and mix it with decaying wood, here, there, everywhere!


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IS IT WORTH IT?



You be the judge. What I described, if taken step by step, is REALLY easy to do. It doesnt require expensive equipment or unobtainable supplies. It has a high success rate.

Wavy caps like in the picture have a potency of 12-25mg psiloc(yb)in per dried gram, making them 2-4x more potent than the common cubie thats being sold. They are easily identified and turn blue on bruising like nobodies business. The high, compared to cubies, seems to be clearer, higher energy, and more euphoric than that of cubies. If you dry them and store them in a jar in a dark closet they are still strong a year later. In the freezer, they stay potent for a decade or more.

Once the ball is rolling your growing of one of the strongest shrooms in the world becomes as sophisticated as the most basic gardening, and you in essence invest big bags of woodchips to get big bags of powerful shrooms. You will no longer be dependent on what a shady dealer might offer, but instead you have 100% organic shrooms in abundance, more than you can eat, and with your spawn you have the possibility to make your tripping friends independent too.

So you tell me, is it worth it?


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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: Asante]
    #13997467 - 02/20/11 07:34 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

Wow nice post Wiccan_Seeker, I have to admit, growing shrooms is a lot better and cheaper and even more natural way to trip, but some people prefer to spend some money and get it delivered to their doorstep. I can't really grow shrooms right now because of my roommates, but when I live alone or with other people I certainly will, until this my only possibility is to pick shrooms or 4-aco-dmt, which is easier and worth the money IMO.

But that guide is just awesome and easy... I wonder if this works where I live, temperature ranging from 50F to 90F, do you know if cyanescens will grow here?

Thanks and nice post although I still disagree that 4-aco-dmt decomposition is really that much of a problem.
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Re: 4-aco-dmt :) [Re: d-LSD-25]
    #13997601 - 02/20/11 08:02 PM (13 years, 12 days ago)

wow... total thread hijack. nazis..


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