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girls who have been raped
    #13994344 - 02/20/11 06:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

why do they seek to repeat the experience in a safer setting? i was dating a girl a few months back who liked watching rape scenes in movies, then later confessed she was raped a few years ago. when having sex she likes it rough, being tied up and stuff, basically rape-like scenarios.

how does that work? its kind of sad but i dont know why

some girl please explain this to me or if someone has links to some psychological explanation please post


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13994359 - 02/20/11 06:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Many girls will probably not want to have sex at all after this and will probably have trust issues. Post traumatic stress disorder.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: migraineur]
    #13994396 - 02/20/11 07:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

im talking about those who want to have sex


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: migraineur]
    #13994435 - 02/20/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

post traumatic stress disorder is a serious dysfunktion and things like trust issues or being uncomfortable around
men with mustaches or something like that has nothing to do with this. PTSD is way harder.
so about your girls - i have no clue, nor ever heard about something like that. maybe she's making
it up to excuse for her fetishes or she exaggerates. like being heavily drunk and some guy taking
advantage of it.
but i find this question quite interesting, maybe someones got something to add.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: godisanastronaut]
    #13994455 - 02/20/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Force, aggression, dominance are all part of human psychosexuality.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Doc_T]
    #13994477 - 02/20/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think it has to do with guilt. One of the biggest problems with victims of rape or molestation is a feeling of guilt, and the victims may try to work through it in some way to understand it and "solve it" so that they can salvage their self image. If you read about serial killers, child molesters (don't know much about that myself cuz it just is too hard to read, even compared to serial killers imo), etc a lot of times they also have these problems with feelings of control-when they had feelings of complete helplessness especially under a sexual pretext then they can try to overcome these feelings through more extreme acts and that sort of thing-just watch interview with ted bundy and jeffery dahmer, they both describe trying to quit their addictions of rape and murder but the feeling of complete control, like being a god.

BTW if you're wondering why the hell I researched that crap quite a bit, my dad is a diagnosed psychopath, and growing up his controlling habits left me feeling that complete and utter soul deadening helplessness in certain situations and now I have extreme social anxiety problems, but I do feel sorry for him because his mother treated him similarly. So yeah, sorry for kinda going on a mini rant, but if you are interested in that type of thing I suggest looking up I, Psychopath, aileen wuornos, ted bundy, john wayne gayce, the mafiosi crime bosses, jeffrey dahmer, son of sam, unit 731, albert fish, and ed gein oh and of course dr mengele and the bitch of buchenwald

careful though, watching too much of that type of thing or shows like Law and Order SVU can be depressing

and of course for an interesting (although fairly inaccurate ime) and less gut wrenching source watch some dexter!


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #13994524 - 02/20/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thanks man
im more trying to look into the sexual side, the guy who abused her was just some drunken macho jerk.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13994538 - 02/20/11 08:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Was this a 'date rape' kind of thing?


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Doc_T]
    #13994565 - 02/20/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

like nirvana and sublime talk about...I hope he got raped in jail-knowing this world though I bet he got off scotfree :frown:


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Doc_T]
    #13994629 - 02/20/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Was this a 'date rape' kind of thing?



no, a friend brought her along to ap rty she didnt wanna go, she was sitting all alone in the kitchen area and the dude swept in and forced himself on her, carried her off in front of everyone, they were laughing but the girl struggled and the guy anally raped her, then took off leaving her there


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #13995633 - 02/20/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: memes]
    #13996644 - 02/20/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

similar psychology to stockholm syndrome?


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: memes]
    #13997310 - 02/20/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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That whole "seeking" out the rape experience only comes from a small percentage of those who have suffered such horrors.  I know with the females I know who've been raped, just the mention of one of the words he used during the attack is enough to make them completely shut down and clamp up.

Subjectivity.



I think few seek it out so directly, but I think even those who avoid it can subconsciously be attracted to certain things which help them understand it and cope with it whether its rougher sex or just simply reading a book about rape or curiosity about those evil types of mindsets. If they don't seek out anything I think they may become very avoidant (although that could be considered the same thing in some ways) and very sensitive to anything that reminds them of it and other symptoms of ptsd


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14003347 - 02/21/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This is a weird thing. I know a girl who has been raped in her life. Yet wants it hard and rough? she wants it bad, like almost rape type shit....???? the FUCK?


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: dshow]
    #14003603 - 02/21/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can't really say.

I've never been raped, but I had a guy force himself on me and......I'd rather not get into..

I was kind of young, but by then I had an idea of the kind of things I liked and found porn and explored sex (not with other people). I've always gone to the internet for research so :shrug:.

I always like it rough. The thought of being tied up, picked up, thrown around etc, turns me on. These always have been things. Of course, I always imagined these things happening with someone I loved or trusted.

When a similar situation happened again with a friend's bf while I was passed out drunk, I got a lot more mixed up.

Now, Idk. I find myself feeling guilty for wanting things I was actually subject to against my will to an extent. I can't imagine what she must of gone through, so I can't say if its the same.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: TTT]
    #14003758 - 02/21/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry to hear that TTT :frown:


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    #14004334 - 02/21/11 10:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14004726 - 02/21/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

damn...


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14009626 - 02/22/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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why do they seek to repeat the experience in a safer setting? i was dating a girl a few months back who liked watching rape scenes in movies, then later confessed she was raped a few years ago. when having sex she likes it rough, being tied up and stuff, basically rape-like scenarios.

how does that work? its kind of sad but i dont know why

some girl please explain this to me or if someone has links to some psychological explanation please post





I can tell you what that is big % of the time.
They have taken a situation where they were powerless, and made it into something they control, whether it is on a screen or wth a safe lover...a controlled enviornemt. They are taking their power back.
Everyone handles trama different, but this is quite common.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #14009665 - 02/22/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I really don't understand this either.  I have a good friend who was molested when she was very young, and then raped when she was in her earlier teens.  Since then, she always put herself in terrible situations, and it's happened two more times.  It's like she's doing it on purpose now.  She refuses to date anyone who doesn't look like he has absolutely no issue raping or beating her.  And she never reports anything.  I really fucks with me to see her do this to herself, but I can't do anything about it.

I really wish I had an answer for you.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: BothHands]
    #14009704 - 02/22/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I really don't understand this either.  I have a good friend who was molested when she was very young, and then raped when she was in her earlier teens.  Since then, she always put herself in terrible situations, and it's happened two more times.  It's like she's doing it on purpose now.  She refuses to date anyone who doesn't look like he has absolutely no issue raping or beating her.  And she never reports anything.  I really fucks with me to see her do this to herself, but I can't do anything about it.

I really wish I had an answer for you.




I would say that is a whole other issue and if she is telling the truth and not reporting rapists, she has some responsibility for the victims after her, and if she is lying for attention she diminishes the horrific nature of rape and makes it more difficult for real rape victims to be believed when they do go to someone. You say she is your good friend? you should do something to help her in either case, you can do something.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: sixxy]
    #14009709 - 02/22/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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why do they seek to repeat the experience in a safer setting? i was dating a girl a few months back who liked watching rape scenes in movies, then later confessed she was raped a few years ago. when having sex she likes it rough, being tied up and stuff, basically rape-like scenarios.

how does that work? its kind of sad but i dont know why

some girl please explain this to me or if someone has links to some psychological explanation please post





I can tell you what that is big % of the time.
They have taken a situation where they were powerless, and made it into something they control, whether it is on a screen or wth a safe lover...a controlled enviornemt. They are taking their power back.
Everyone handles trama different, but this is quite common.




more often than not this is the reason.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: sixxy]
    #14009743 - 02/22/11 08:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I know she's not lying.  It's just really hard to explain... She's very strange.  She was adopted, and her adoptive mother was raped several times.  The family makes it not seem like a big deal.  The mother's not even reporting it.  She's now with another psychopath, and it's just a matter of time until something happens again.  I don't even know the names of the people.  They all go by weird nicknames like "squeaky" and "D2."  And even if I reported for her, I have a feeling she'd deny it.  I don't think there's anything I can do.


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    #14009771 - 02/22/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I know she's not lying.  It's just really hard to explain... She's very strange.  She was adopted, and her adoptive mother was raped several times.  The family makes it not seem like a big deal.  The mother's not even reporting it.  She's now with another psychopath, and it's just a matter of time until something happens again.  I don't even know the names of the people.  They all go by weird nicknames like "squeaky" and "D2."  And even if I reported for her, I have a feeling she'd deny it.  I don't think there's anything I can do.




that is an horrific sounding situation, Im sorry. people who fall in to the abusive cycles of their parents are unfortunate. It isnt your responsibility to "report her" for anything, this is her responsibility, if you can, maybe you just need to make her feel she is worth better and would do society a great service by making the people who hurt her face justice. If she doesnt care about herself, maybe she cares for others?


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: sixxy]
    #14009818 - 02/22/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've tried everything.  At this point all I can do is be her friend, and let her stay at my place for another few days next time something happens.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: BothHands]
    #14009936 - 02/22/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: memes]
    #14010304 - 02/22/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I did have a friend once who was an extreme attention whore, she claimed two guys tried to rape her and everyone disowned those guys and there were police investigations and everything, but at the last minute some sort of proof of both their alibis came through. That same girl then told everyone she had cancer and even shaved her head to trick everyone, and constantly called people saying she was going to kill herself then when they got their she was just watching tv. It just made me sick that she could act like that when there are people who really have these problems, but now she's lost all her friends and she got fat and lonely

Not that any of the others mentioned in this thread are lying, I'm just saying its disturbing that someone would fake it


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14034759 - 02/27/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't be sure of the reason that your girl in particular does this, or for the reason that some women with similar experiences in their past also seek out "safe" environments to play out rape type fantasies.

However, having had two incidents in my own life in which I became an unwilling participant (one violent and one where I wasn't conscious) I can give you some insight.

I also find myself drawn to more aggressive sex. Particularly sex where I'm being held or pinned down and/or being choked. I also find myself, at times, pretending or acting like I don't want sex in the hopes that my partner will become more aggressive in order to fulfill my fantasy. (It came as quite a surprise to me that most men weren't exactly into what I refer to as "play rape")

I think the reason I do this, and I can only speak for myself, is because I seek a situation in which I'm forced to participate in sex until the point where, even though initially I didn't want it, I find myself enjoying it. I think this my way of trying to cope with what happened and right past wrongs that were done to me. In some way, I think my brain has gotten then notion that if this can occur, even just once, that any power my rapists had over me would be lost.

Like I said, I can only speak for myself. And on a side note, I just thought of something kind of interesting. While I do watch slightly more violent pornography, I have a lot of trouble watching rape scenes in movies or on TV. The reason for this, I don't have any explanation for but would love some input on.


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    #14034968 - 02/27/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't watch rape scenes in movies either, and I've never been raped.  I always step out for a couple minutes.  Though usually I just don't watch those kinds of movies at all.  I can't even imagine what a scene like that would do for someone who's been in that situation before.  But it sounds pretty understandable that you wouldn't want to watch them.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Dark_Science]
    #14039355 - 02/27/11 10:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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    #14047589 - 03/01/11 09:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I've literally spent over a hundred hours thinking of interesting ways to kidnap/torture/maime/murder that individual.  Its kinda twisted when y0u put it into words like that, but I find myself unable to have any other emotion besides bloodlust.




A lot of my guy friends and my past boyfriend said the same thing about the guys that hurt me. And I can completely understand that response. I think if I had told them right after it happened and they asked me if they could do something to him, I would have let them.

  But I've tried to work through a lot of it, and I think I've done a pretty good job. I think I've gotten to the point, not of forgiveness but of at least not wanting them dead or horrible things to happen to them.

  I'm satisfied with my belief that in the end the Universe will give them what they deserve. Well, at least that's how I feel about it today....


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Dark_Science]
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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: memes]
    #14047653 - 03/01/11 09:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i recently heard a female friend of mine was raped by her own bf. basically he worked in another country and they had a fight on the phone... dude comes home, drunk and wanting to fuck. his gf said no seriously, sober up etc but the guy raped her... she got preggo.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #14048215 - 03/01/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thats fucked.  A lot of people think you can't be raped by someone you're dating.  Definitely not true.  I feel sorry for her.  She's probably scared as fuck of her own bf now, and carrying his baby.  Fuuuucked.


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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: memes]
    #14048352 - 03/01/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think any woman that feels comfortable with it should be armed.  My wife and daughters sure will be if they want to be, and I'll encourage it.

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Re: girls who have been raped [Re: Humility]
    #14048550 - 03/01/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sad my gf is so scared of guns.  I really wish she would realize that it can't just magically go off.  A finger needs to PULL a trigger.  Not just tough a trigger, pull it. 

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