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Public Nudity... is it a right?
    #13992426 - 02/19/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Just saw this footage from a festival where a naked man at the Coachella music festival is wrestled to the ground and tasered because he refused to put on clothes.  Do we have the right to be nude wherever we go?  Or do we have the right to keep our vision untainted by people's unappetizing bodies and genitalia?  What say you?

1This sort of public nudity I have NO problem with, however.  :smirk:
Do we have the right to be naked wherever we choose?
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
    #13992584 - 02/19/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are you serious. Do we have the right?  Think man.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
    #13992633 - 02/19/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:fishing:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
    #13992944 - 02/19/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Everywhere but someone's else's private property.

I'm going to say "yes, absolutely" because I think that's obvious.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Humility]
    #13992954 - 02/19/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Icelander makes a good point though, no such thing as "rights" as a tangible product.

The societal construct of "rights" should be acknowledged however.  I should have the "right" to do what I want to do on my private property, but that right is not respected by the federal government or its subsidiaries.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Humility]
    #13992970 - 02/19/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

For some reason the right to live and birth flashed through my humble mind....
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Humility]
    #13992975 - 02/19/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Humility said:
Everywhere but someone's else's private property.




What about public property, though?  And did anyone watch the video?  I thought the use of force and the Tasering of the nude individual in question was completely excessive and out of bounds... the cops were clearly on some kind of power-trip.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
    #13993069 - 02/19/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

They were most likely enforcing the law in that area right or wrong. 

If you want to be naked you can do it in public in my town in most areas but not all. There was this beautiful Chinese girl who used to show up every summer  naked riding her bike all over town.  She was very hot.

I notice you post a pic of a beautiful nude woman.  How about some fat ass droopy 90 year old. You might have a harder time getting people to agree.:lol:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
    #13993095 - 02/19/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
They were most likely enforcing the law in that area right or wrong.




Right, so what should the law be IYO?

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Icelander said:
I notice you post a pic of a beautiful nude woman.  How about some fat ass droopy 90 year old. You might have a harder time getting people to agree.:lol:




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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #13993122 - 02/19/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Of course I'd allow complete nudity. In fact I'd insist if you were young and beautiful.:jennajameson:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
    #13993129 - 02/19/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ah, mandatory nudity.  Now we're talkin'.  :lol::thumbup:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #13993174 - 02/19/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Burning Man is a good place to get nekked.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
    #13994488 - 02/20/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I thought the use of force and the Tasering of the nude individual in question was completely excessive and out of bounds

I'm a believer in complete freedom as long as it doesn't hurt another, but in this case, the police had a job to do. They didn't make the laws so you can fault them for that. They just enforce the laws.

And when they tried to do their job and remove the naked guy nicely, what I saw was resistance from him. The cops tried really hard to get him to cooperate before they got out the taser. Had they continued to use physical force, either the naked guy or one of the cops might have been injured. The taser put an end to the struggle.

I think cops are way too trigger happy with those things, but when the choice is to risk someone getting an elbow in the face or zapping them into submission (whether the base law is right or not is not relevant) then they do the right thing by using the tazer.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #13994510 - 02/20/11 08:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Don't cops have the right to not enforce laws that they personally disagree with, or am I completely making that up?


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid] * 2
    #13994520 - 02/20/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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They didn't make the laws so you can fault them for that. They just enforce the laws.



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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #13994530 - 02/20/11 08:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Don't cops have the right to not enforce laws that they personally disagree with, or am I completely making that up?

I've never heard of that. If a cop refuses to do his job (enforce the laws) they lose their job and someone else who IS willing takes their place. As far as I know.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: MutantBonobo]
    #13994533 - 02/20/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

US Forestry and BLM lands are nude friendly.  People do nude hikes and stuff all the time.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: MutantBonobo]
    #13994549 - 02/20/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The difference between the Nuremberg context and here is that here, those laws are created by consensus of the majority, not by decree. You can argue that the consensus of the stupid is manipulated by the powerful to their own ends, but that's another discussion.

The fact is that the majority of people in this country think public nudity should be illegal. The majority also think that alcohol should be allowed and marijuana should land you in jail. It's stupid, I agree, but that is what the people want. Look at the poll in my signature block for more drug stupidity by SHROOMERITES of all people, then consider how much more stupid the general population is.

So I'm not debating the validity of the law (I think it's a stupid law), I'm debating whether or not the cops did their job and followed the law as the majority of the people have decided it should be.

And although I don't like it, from what I see in that video, they did.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #13994555 - 02/20/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yet the majority of onlookers in that video were booing the cops and were in clear disapproval of their actions...


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
    #13994566 - 02/20/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That group was not representative of the general population. They were concert-heads and nearly all 20-something. Of course they think like you and I do (nevermind I'm pushing 50 :oldman:).

Ask the average person on the street and you'll find a different reaction. Shit like "I don't want my children exposed to nudity" and similar retarded thinking. That's the world we live in. And it's why I avoid humans at all cost these days.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
    #13996041 - 02/20/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

deCypher said:
Quote:

Humility said:
Everywhere but someone's else's private property.




What about public property, though?  And did anyone watch the video?  I thought the use of force and the Tasering of the nude individual in question was completely excessive and out of bounds... the cops were clearly on some kind of power-trip.




Yeah, I found it quite disturbing and depressing actually. :thumbdown:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #13996102 - 02/20/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, that penis was certainly tiny. I can see why you'd be upset.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #13996109 - 02/20/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

And it's why I avoid humans at all cost these days.

So that's why you never answer my PMs.:mad2:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
    #13996122 - 02/20/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, that penis was certainly tiny. I can see why you'd be upset.




Oh, ha              ha.

I was waiting for this wise crack.

I don't think that poor guy deserved to be physically abused for being naked.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #13996197 - 02/20/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think that poor guy deserved to be physically abused for being naked.

He was breaking the law and refused to stop.

So put yourself in the cops' place. How would you have handled that?

Remember that they tried very hard to ask nicely, then tried very hard to subdue the guy without the taser, then finally resorted to the taser when the guy became combative.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #13996259 - 02/20/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah...Whether or not he was "legally" allowed to be naked or not the cops gave him plenty of time to comply.

He was of course within his rights to tell them to fuck off, which he did.  :shrug:

Resilient dude, it took a lot of current to get him chilled out.  I kept waiting for him to started pissing everywhere.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #13996273 - 02/20/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

He wasn't being abused for being naked. He was being a ass and a fool. If you want to fight the cops than arm yourself. Otherwise what do you expect. He resisted their requests. I have no pity for the fool.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
    #13996282 - 02/20/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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If you want to fight the cops than arm yourself.




Thanks for giving me the opportunity to use my favorite smiley.

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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #13996285 - 02/20/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think that would be cool....but our society is so sexualized that you couldn't go out naked without people making a big deal about it. I personally wouldn't want all that attention, especially chicks, cause holy shit there are a lot of perverted people....
if everyone was doin' it though...that'd be cool  :boobs:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
    #13996377 - 02/20/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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deCypher said:
Don't cops have the right to not enforce laws that they personally disagree with, or am I completely making that up?




I think if a cop sees a naked person in public and he or she is not disturbing anyone, they don't have to arrest that person.  After all, who is going to complain that the cop is not doing their job?


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
    #13996383 - 02/20/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: HippieChick8]
    #13996508 - 02/20/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think if a cop sees a naked person in public and he or she is not disturbing anyone, they don't have to arrest that person.  After all, who is going to complain that the cop is not doing their job?

You are very naive. It's a public event. It would get back to their supervisors that they didn't do their job.

If nothing else, some uptight mother would call 911 to complain about her children being exposed to the horrors of nudity and the police did nothing about it.

What world do you live in cuz you don't live in the same one I'm in.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #13996659 - 02/20/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I think if a cop sees a naked person in public and he or she is not disturbing anyone, they don't have to arrest that person.  After all, who is going to complain that the cop is not doing their job?

You are very naive. It's a public event. It would get back to their supervisors that they didn't do their job.

If nothing else, some uptight mother would call 911 to complain about her children being exposed to the horrors of nudity and the police did nothing about it.

What world do you live in cuz you don't live in the same one I'm in.




I suppose being naked at a public event here in East Texas might be a big deal.  I know a nudist couple from California who say it's not even a crime there unless the cop wants to be a dick, and then it's just a ticket.  They were actually naked in a public parade in California and no cops even hassled them.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: HippieChick8]
    #13996710 - 02/20/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It all depends on the local but if it's illegal then the cop has to do his job or he can lose it.  I'm no fan of the cops but I understand how things work.

I didn't watch the whole vid but from the little I saw that fool was asking for it. And he got it. What a suprise:shrug:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
    #13997261 - 02/20/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Why even bring rights into this? It's really a matter of courtesy.

Do you think people want to see your nude body and all your reproductive organs?

Personally, I'm fine either way. But I do like the warmth :P


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Vaped]
    #13997311 - 02/20/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

People SHOULD have the right to expose their organs just like they have the right to expose their face. In some Muslim countries, it's obscene for women to expose their face. That's just as fucked up.

One the other hand, you have the right to look the other way if a woman's face or a guy's tiny penis offends you.

Unfortunately, legal and illegal has little to do with right and wrong.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #13998869 - 02/20/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It would have been amazing if the rest of the crowd just shucked off their clothes in a demonstration of solidarity and civil disobedience with the original guy.  Sorta like this demonstration of solidarity:

Sasquatch Music Festival 2009 - Guy Starts A Dance Party


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: HippieChick8]
    #13998876 - 02/20/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

deCypher said:
Don't cops have the right to not enforce laws that they personally disagree with, or am I completely making that up?




I think if a cop sees a naked person in public and he or she is not disturbing anyone, they don't have to arrest that person.  After all, who is going to complain that the cop is not doing their job?




Presumably this is what officers in LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) do?  I guess they have to charge an individual smoking weed if there are any witnesses around, though.  :sad:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #13999228 - 02/21/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't see why nudity is illegal. It's odd that people should be ashamed of what they look like. Being forced to wear clothes might be away to ignore the fact that humans are animals just like everything else and (this is where death anxiety comes in).


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    #13999402 - 02/21/11 02:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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this is where death anxiety comes in.




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    #13999440 - 02/21/11 02:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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And it's why I avoid humans at all cost these days.





This. Its just a sad thought to think that I haven't even broke 20 yet and I already lock myself away in my apartment to keep my sanity.

Edit: The fucked up thing is that people don't want nudity because of their embarrassment. Everybody is just as horny as everybody else, and that can be inserted for any emotion, but people don't want other people to know they're horny. Hiding behind silence and filtering thoughts enough so that we can function with each other without knowing them knowing all the dirty, fucked up things people think.  :glittershitz:

Sex is used for reproduction, love, passion, and an all around good time, BUT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT AND YOU GOTTA WEAR YOUR CLOTHES!


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
    #13999742 - 02/21/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

AHAHAHAAAA! Did you get the translation of that second video. It's Spanish for: The Original SpongeBob!
Ahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :rofl2:


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    #14003208 - 02/21/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

only if youre hot... and the OP's example fits that criterion


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: andrewss]
    #14003692 - 02/21/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What are you doing here? I heard you got lynched. :hehehe:


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:shakefist:


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    #14005735 - 02/22/11 03:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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AHAHAHAAAA! Did you get the translation of that second video. It's Spanish for: The Original SpongeBob!
Ahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :rofl2:




:ilold: I don't speak Spanish, so I had no idea... but that's awesome.

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only if youre hot... and the OP's example fits that criterion




I can imagine an Attractiveness Police that goes around making sure all nude people are up to par.  Extra-close examinations will of course be necessary in certain cases.  :sherlock:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #14005791 - 02/22/11 03:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Anyone who has ever been to a nudist colony or clothing optional resort/beach knows that the novelty factor wears off very quickly.


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    #14006205 - 02/22/11 07:44 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It's a right to be naked in public, but I also think it's a right of everyone else to fondle someone who is naked, if they so please. :naughty: You can't walk up and swing your pussy in front of me and then expect me to not grab at your ass or something. However I would say it's still up to the naked person to decide whether or not s/he wants to engage in more explicit action. I will find a biblical passage to support my views if need be.:crazy2:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: amuzakat]
    #14013390 - 02/23/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

video


first let me say that is probably the smallest penis i have ever seen in my life


secondly id say that unfortunetly for this long haired hippie the issue at hand here was respect for authority. those cops didnt care he was naked, they asked him to do something and he refused so they made an example out of him


that being said its two sided, yea i wanna be naked, but sometimes its ill timed and inappropriate.  i feel like most people assume the worst too often though as well. you see a naked guy and assume it scars your kids, or hes a creep. you see an old man talking to a group of little kids and assume hes a pedo looking for anyone that wants to play kiss the trouser snake. most people are just normal, and trying to enjoy life without any hidden agendas

maybe its hard to balance a free world and a safe world, but either way that guy didnt deserve 10,000 volts in his ass, and everyone who circled the wagons in that video is a puss, not a single person tried to actually step in, but hey it was on camera, thats probably more important, right?


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: afoafsgoat]
    #14014566 - 02/23/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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first let me say that is probably the smallest penis i have ever seen in my life




I am pretty sure there are transmen that have a bigger penis :yesnod:


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    #14014605 - 02/23/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I thought he had a button.:whoa:  Got to give him credit for his lack of embarrassment.  Most guys wouldn't I'm guessing. Were such children.


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    #14014621 - 02/23/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do you think if he had had a bigger penis, people would be more or less offended? :lol:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14014807 - 02/23/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Depends on who's looking.:lol:


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: afoafsgoat]
    #14014922 - 02/23/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

but either way that guy didnt deserve 10,000 volts in his ass

Did he deserve to potentially have an arm broken or dislocated in the struggle more than the 10kV zap?

The zap protected him and the police from injury. The statistics of taser use use bear this out (fewer injuries to suspects and cops since they came into common use) though I will admit the cops tend to be a little trigger happy with those things.

But not in this case. They asked, and asked, then tried gentle force, then more force, and finally they got out the zapper. What else do you want from them? From what I see, they were more than fair with the guy.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #14015004 - 02/23/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I certainly would have used it.  IMO he was begging for it and provoking the encounter to prove a point. Well I hope he was satisfied. Really, what would a rational person think was going to happen.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #14015597 - 02/23/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What else do you want from them?.




The cops can definitely be taser happy, and I feel as though there were other options. I was at camp bisco 9 this past summer and some random girl was running around naked, and staff came over and told her to put her clothes on or leave the festival. Maybe if presented with, "clothes on, or go home" instead of "do what I say because I have a badge" he might have been more compliant.

That being said I'm also not trying to vilify those specific cops, in the video you can hear them trying to reason with the guy, and he does kinda push it. I'm all for standing up to cops, but everyone knows that really only goes so far before a cop just gets pissed. Maybe, just maybe if you happen to be right, you can win in court, but at that moment, the cop, his back up, and a taser are not going to lose


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: afoafsgoat]
    #14015704 - 02/23/11 06:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)


The cops can definitely be taser happy, and I feel as though there were other options. I was at camp bisco 9 this past summer and some random girl was running around naked, and staff came over and told her to put her clothes on or leave the festival. Maybe if presented with, "clothes on, or go home" instead of "do what I say because I have a badge" he might have been more compliant.


What? You're kidding right?  The more I listen to the responses here the more I'm with those cops and basically I don't like cops.

Please stop this guys before you make me want to become one.:hissyfit:


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    #14015775 - 02/23/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Please stop this guys before you make me want to become one.






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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: afoafsgoat]
    #14015822 - 02/23/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe if presented with, "clothes on, or go home" instead of "do what I say because I have a badge"

Did you watch the same video I did? WTF are you talking about?

1. The cops asked the guy to get dressed.

2. Then they asked again, and again.

3. Then they gave him a towel which he threw on the floor.

4. They did the towel thing at least a couple more times without success.

5. Then they tried to get the guy to physically move and he started fighting them.

6. Then they used force and he fought them harder.

7. Then they wrestled him to the ground and he fought them harder still.

8. Then they got really aggressive and so did he.

9. And FINALLY realizing that they were gonna hurt the guy or get an elbow in the face, they got out the taser and ended the struggle.

WTF would YOU do in their place, get on your knees and beg the guy to get dressed? They TRIED the nice way. Repeatedly.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
    #14015828 - 02/23/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Never get on your knees in front of a naked man. :nono:


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    #14015857 - 02/23/11 07:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I've seen clitorises bigger than his dick so...


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    #14015875 - 02/23/11 07:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is that why you carry a pocket ruler?


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*micrometer in this case.


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    #14015900 - 02/23/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Back to the old dilemma: girth or length?


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14016289 - 02/23/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yes i watched the video, have you ever talked to a cop?

7 times out of 10 I don't care how nicely hes trying to put it, if he's being an asshole all i hear is "cop cop cop cop cop"

I'm just saying maybe they were the wrong people to be handling the situation. Some fucked up douchebag running around naked at a festival is going to argue with the cops just because they are cops. If someone in a staff shirt came over and threatened to take away his music, he probably would have gotten dressed. I watched exactly that happen.

Again I understand the cops point of view, and up to the part where they start wrenching his arms, I think they handled it well. I just feel it could have gone differently.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: afoafsgoat]
    #14016453 - 02/23/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've talked to cops many times in 58 years.  Every time except once when I treated them respectfully they treated me in the same way.  If I did what they asked there was never any threat to me. Any fool could have seen what was coming imo.


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
    #14016509 - 02/23/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I've talked to cops many times in 58 years.  Every time except once when I treated them respectfully they treated me in the same way.  If I did what they asked there was never any threat to me. Any fool could have seen what was coming imo.




I think both you and Diploid have made extremely good points.

I am just oversensitive I guess, I don't like seeing people get tasered or otherwise hurt. Even idiots.

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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
    #14016542 - 02/23/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yea the guy was definitely an idiot, and antagonistic, that situation between him and the police was really only headed one direction.

ive never been tased because anytime ive been in an argument or debate with a cop ive never raised my voice and i maintained respect, and they did the same.

but yea, im sure cops get into situations all the time where they are pushed and left with few options, but maybe in this particular one baby dick hippie didnt have to get tased, though i will admit, it taser was one on a very short list of options. im just trying to play devils advocate in favor of not being tased


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: afoafsgoat]
    #14016580 - 02/23/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

also, ive never been tased, but do you reach a point where its like "officer id love to comply but i cant feel my legs"


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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Blondell_Letrange]
    #14016582 - 02/23/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

Icelander said:
I've talked to cops many times in 58 years.  Every time except once when I treated them respectfully they treated me in the same way.  If I did what they asked there was never any threat to me. Any fool could have seen what was coming imo.




I think both you and Diploid have made extremely good points.

I am just oversensitive I guess, I don't like seeing people get tasered or otherwise hurt. Even idiots.

Which is probably why I hardly ever laugh watching those "funniest home video" type programs.





We're going to have to work on your sensitivity quotient.:lol:

Oh and stay away from wars.:wink:


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