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deCypher



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Public Nudity... is it a right?
#13992426 - 02/19/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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1Just saw this footage from a festival where a naked man at the Coachella music festival is wrestled to the ground and tasered because he refused to put on clothes. Do we have the right to be nude wherever we go? Or do we have the right to keep our vision untainted by people's unappetizing bodies and genitalia? What say you? 1This sort of public nudity I have NO problem with, however.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
#13992584 - 02/19/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you serious. Do we have the right? Think man.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
#13992633 - 02/19/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
#13992944 - 02/19/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Everywhere but someone's else's private property.
I'm going to say "yes, absolutely" because I think that's obvious.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Humility]
#13992954 - 02/19/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander makes a good point though, no such thing as "rights" as a tangible product.
The societal construct of "rights" should be acknowledged however. I should have the "right" to do what I want to do on my private property, but that right is not respected by the federal government or its subsidiaries.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Humility]
#13992970 - 02/19/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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For some reason the right to live and birth flashed through my humble mind.... Feel free to interpurt. BC
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Humility]
#13992975 - 02/19/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Humility said: Everywhere but someone's else's private property.
What about public property, though? And did anyone watch the video? I thought the use of force and the Tasering of the nude individual in question was completely excessive and out of bounds... the cops were clearly on some kind of power-trip.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
#13993069 - 02/19/11 11:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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They were most likely enforcing the law in that area right or wrong.
If you want to be naked you can do it in public in my town in most areas but not all. There was this beautiful Chinese girl who used to show up every summer naked riding her bike all over town. She was very hot.
I notice you post a pic of a beautiful nude woman. How about some fat ass droopy 90 year old. You might have a harder time getting people to agree.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
#13993095 - 02/19/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Icelander said: They were most likely enforcing the law in that area right or wrong.
Right, so what should the law be IYO?
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Icelander said: I notice you post a pic of a beautiful nude woman. How about some fat ass droopy 90 year old. You might have a harder time getting people to agree.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher] 1
#13993122 - 02/19/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Of course I'd allow complete nudity. In fact I'd insist if you were young and beautiful.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Icelander]
#13993129 - 02/19/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ah, mandatory nudity. Now we're talkin'. 
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher] 1
#13993174 - 02/19/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Burning Man is a good place to get nekked.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
#13994488 - 02/20/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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I thought the use of force and the Tasering of the nude individual in question was completely excessive and out of bounds
I'm a believer in complete freedom as long as it doesn't hurt another, but in this case, the police had a job to do. They didn't make the laws so you can fault them for that. They just enforce the laws.
And when they tried to do their job and remove the naked guy nicely, what I saw was resistance from him. The cops tried really hard to get him to cooperate before they got out the taser. Had they continued to use physical force, either the naked guy or one of the cops might have been injured. The taser put an end to the struggle.
I think cops are way too trigger happy with those things, but when the choice is to risk someone getting an elbow in the face or zapping them into submission (whether the base law is right or not is not relevant) then they do the right thing by using the tazer.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
#13994510 - 02/20/11 08:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't cops have the right to not enforce laws that they personally disagree with, or am I completely making that up?
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid] 2
#13994520 - 02/20/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said: They didn't make the laws so you can fault them for that. They just enforce the laws.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher] 1
#13994530 - 02/20/11 08:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't cops have the right to not enforce laws that they personally disagree with, or am I completely making that up?
I've never heard of that. If a cop refuses to do his job (enforce the laws) they lose their job and someone else who IS willing takes their place. As far as I know.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: MutantBonobo]
#13994533 - 02/20/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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US Forestry and BLM lands are nude friendly. People do nude hikes and stuff all the time.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: MutantBonobo]
#13994549 - 02/20/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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The difference between the Nuremberg context and here is that here, those laws are created by consensus of the majority, not by decree. You can argue that the consensus of the stupid is manipulated by the powerful to their own ends, but that's another discussion.
The fact is that the majority of people in this country think public nudity should be illegal. The majority also think that alcohol should be allowed and marijuana should land you in jail. It's stupid, I agree, but that is what the people want. Look at the poll in my signature block for more drug stupidity by SHROOMERITES of all people, then consider how much more stupid the general population is.
So I'm not debating the validity of the law (I think it's a stupid law), I'm debating whether or not the cops did their job and followed the law as the majority of the people have decided it should be.
And although I don't like it, from what I see in that video, they did.
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: Diploid]
#13994555 - 02/20/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yet the majority of onlookers in that video were booing the cops and were in clear disapproval of their actions...
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Re: Public Nudity... is it a right? [Re: deCypher]
#13994566 - 02/20/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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That group was not representative of the general population. They were concert-heads and nearly all 20-something. Of course they think like you and I do (nevermind I'm pushing 50 ).
Ask the average person on the street and you'll find a different reaction. Shit like "I don't want my children exposed to nudity" and similar retarded thinking. That's the world we live in. And it's why I avoid humans at all cost these days.
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